The Confederate battle flag

[The Black Forrest]

Racist idiots who would have me chained, whipped and worked to death on a hellish plantation.

Let me ask you something.
What flag did your ancestors see on the slaveship?

And yet they were ending it while your ancestors wanted it continued.

See we can play generalizations as well.

[The Black Forrest]

it represents rememberence, like the poppy

Well put.

Not really. The poppy wasn't about keeping slavery.

[The Black Forrest]

The flags of France England Spain and the US along with others.

And?

[The Black Forrest]

The flags of France England Spain and the US along with others.

therefore those flags are racist and should be condemned as such

Why? They ended slavery. They also don't try revise their history and diminish that era.

[The Black Forrest]

Yes, it's hypocritical to close our eyes and assume that only the Confederancy had a part in the slave market ever.

And who suggested that?

[The Black Forrest]

The confederate battle flag never flew on a slave ship so people can't say it represents slavery.

Do you know why the Confederacy's flag never flew on a ship plying the Atlantic slave route?

Because the British, after abolishing slavery in their empire in 1807, created a fleet of ships with the explicit purpose of shutting down the Atlantic slave trade by patrolling the coasts of Africa and intercepting any ships carrying slaves. The US itself followed suit that year, but did not ban the internal trade of slaves, just the trans-Atlantic trade.

So the reason why the Confederacy never flew its flag over a slave ship was that literally every other Western power at the time had banned slavery in all its forms, and the Confederates were forced to acquire slaves from their existing populations in the CSA.

The blockades had a hand in that as well.

I suspect we would have seen confederate flags attempting to get slaves.

A relation of the time wrote about her husband and a couple associates excited at the idea of getting the trade going again. The blockade nixed it.

[Roski]

therefore those flags are racist and should be condemned as such

Why? They ended slavery. They also don't try revise their history and diminish that era.

They ended slavery because it didn't work for them economically, and the south had everything they needed.

[The Black Forrest]

Why? They ended slavery. They also don't try revise their history and diminish that era.

They ended slavery because it didn't work for them economically, and the south had everything they needed.

And how was economically advantageous for the Crown to police the Atlantic?

The South didn't stop importing because they had enough, it was closed down on them.....

[TheConfederate States of America]

These flags represented the confederate government.





"The stars and bars"

March 4th 1861-May 1st 1863
This flag looked too much like the US flag on the battle field.





"The Jackson flag"

It's first use was to drape the casket of Gen. "Stonewall" Jackson.
The problem with this flag was that it looked too much like a flag of surrender.

May 1, 1863 – March 4, 1865



"The blood stained banner"

[Ifreann]

Do you know why the Confederacy's flag never flew on a ship plying the Atlantic slave route?

Because the British, after abolishing slavery in their empire in 1807, created a fleet of ships with the explicit purpose of shutting down the Atlantic slave trade by patrolling the coasts of Africa and intercepting any ships carrying slaves. The US itself followed suit that year, but did not ban the internal trade of slaves, just the trans-Atlantic trade.

So the reason why the Confederacy never flew its flag over a slave ship was that literally every other Western power at the time had banned slavery in all its forms, and the Confederates were forced to acquire slaves from their existing populations in the CSA.

And I am well aware of that.
Also we are talking about a flag that was never the confederate national flag.

It was a BATTLE flag never a symbol of the CSA government.
This was a flag for the army ONLY.

This army. Who was it they fought for? The government of the CSA, was it?

[Roski]

They ended slavery because it didn't work for them economically, and the south had everything they needed.

And how was economically advantageous for the Crown to police the Atlantic?

The South didn't stop importing because they had enough, it was closed down on them.....

By United State's warships.

The entire southern economy was based on slavery.

England couldn't use them. France theoretically could have used them. The North couldn't use them.

And that's more or less why they started shit, because the north doesn't know what farming is.

[Avenio]

Do you know why the Confederacy's flag never flew on a ship plying the Atlantic slave route?

Because the British, after abolishing slavery in their empire in 1807, created a fleet of ships with the explicit purpose of shutting down the Atlantic slave trade by patrolling the coasts of Africa and intercepting any ships carrying slaves. The US itself followed suit that year, but did not ban the internal trade of slaves, just the trans-Atlantic trade.

So the reason why the Confederacy never flew its flag over a slave ship was that literally every other Western power at the time had banned slavery in all its forms, and the Confederates were forced to acquire slaves from their existing populations in the CSA.

And I am well aware of that.
Also we are talking about a flag that was never the confederate national flag.

It was a BATTLE flag never a symbol of the CSA government.
This was a flag for the army ONLY.

Ladies and gentlemen, the winner of the gold medal in the 300 metre freestyle backpedal!

[Sdaeriji]

And that's more or less why they started shit, because the north doesn't know what farming is.

Even in the agricultural sector, Northern farmers were out-producing their southern counterparts in several important areas, as Southern agriculture remained labor intensive while northern agriculture became increasingly mechanized. By 1860, the free states had nearly twice the value of farm machinery per acre and per farm worker as did the slave states, leading to increased productivity. As a result, in 1860, the Northern states produced half of the nation's corn, four-fifths of its wheat, and seven-eighths of its oats.

http://www.nps.gov/resources/story.htm?id=251

[Hollorous]

And how was economically advantageous for the Crown to police the Atlantic?

The South didn't stop importing because they had enough, it was closed down on them.....

By United State's warships.

The entire southern economy was based on slavery.

England couldn't use them. France theoretically could have used them. The North couldn't use them.

And that's more or less why they started shit, because the north doesn't know what farming is.

Slave labor isn't an intrinsic element of farming.

[Alaizia]

Really? I wasn't aware of the full story. Could you provide me a link about that?

Here.

You've been very helpful.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Yes, it's hypocritical to close our eyes and assume that only the Confederancy had a part in the slave market ever.

Nobody's saying that it did.

[Nazi Flower Power]

Yes, it's hypocritical to close our eyes and assume that only the Confederancy had a part in the slave market ever.

Who in this thread has ever said that?

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Do you know why the Confederacy's flag never flew on a ship plying the Atlantic slave route?

Because the British, after abolishing slavery in their empire in 1807, created a fleet of ships with the explicit purpose of shutting down the Atlantic slave trade by patrolling the coasts of Africa and intercepting any ships carrying slaves. The US itself followed suit that year, but did not ban the internal trade of slaves, just the trans-Atlantic trade.

So the reason why the Confederacy never flew its flag over a slave ship was that literally every other Western power at the time had banned slavery in all its forms, and the Confederates were forced to acquire slaves from their existing populations in the CSA.

And I am well aware of that.
Also we are talking about a flag that was never the confederate national flag.

It was a BATTLE flag never a symbol of the CSA government.
This was a flag for the army ONLY.

An army fighting for the rights of an unofficial aristocracy to maintain, and, if possible, expand the institution of slavery.

[Nazi Flower Power]

And how was economically advantageous for the Crown to police the Atlantic?

The South didn't stop importing because they had enough, it was closed down on them.....

By United State's warships.

The entire southern economy was based on slavery.

England couldn't use them. France theoretically could have used them. The North couldn't use them.

And that's more or less why they started shit, because the north doesn't know what farming is.

The North farmed more food crops than the South. We just didn't grow cotton and tobacco because the climate is too cold for those crops.

[Alaizia]

Yes, it's hypocritical to close our eyes and assume that only the Confederancy had a part in the slave market ever.

Nobody's saying that it did.

Yes, it's hypocritical to close our eyes and assume that only the Confederancy had a part in the slave market ever.

Who in this thread has ever said that?

For a thing, Ifreann and Avenio has pretty much implied that (especially Ifreann who insists that the "flag of slavery", is the Confederate one). I just want to be fair and deliver justice to all the "players" that participated in this game, more or less.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Nobody's saying that it did.

Who in this thread has ever said that?

For a thing, Ifreann and Avenio has pretty much implied that (especially Ifreann who insists that the "flag of slavery", is the Confederate one). I just want to be fair and deliver justice to all the "players" that participated in this game, more or less.

It is the flag of slavery, because while the other flags represented governments that eventually abolished the slave trade and slavery itself, the battle flag in question was the only one representing the army of a nation founded specifically with the motivation of maintaining and expanding that institution.

[Alaizia]

For a thing, Ifreann and Avenio has pretty much implied that (especially Ifreann who insists that the "flag of slavery", is the Confederate one). I just want to be fair and deliver justice to all the "players" that participated in this game, more or less.

It is the flag of slavery, because while the other flags represented governments that eventually abolished the slave trade and slavery itself, the battle flag in question was the only one representing the army of a nation founded specifically with the motivation of maintaining and expanding that institution.

I agree for one thing. If the whole country-members of the slave market were a royal dynasty, the Confederacy would certainly be its most notorious king. But because Hitler "played" more cruelly than Franco, doesn't change the fact that they were both oppressive dictators, for example.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

It is the flag of slavery, because while the other flags represented governments that eventually abolished the slave trade and slavery itself, the battle flag in question was the only one representing the army of a nation founded specifically with the motivation of maintaining and expanding that institution.

I agree for one thing. If the whole country-members of the slave market were a royal dynasty, the Confederacy would certainly be its most notorious king. But because Hitler "played" more cruelly than Franco, doesn't change the fact that they were both oppressive dictators, for example.

Not a comparable example. Franco stayed a notorious dictator until his death. The North eventually abolished slavery (admittedly, the Civil War helped hurry that process along).

[Nazi Flower Power]

Nobody's saying that it did.

Who in this thread has ever said that?

For a thing, Ifreann and Avenio has pretty much implied that (especially Ifreann who insists that the "flag of slavery", is the Confederate one). I just want to be fair and deliver justice to all the "players" that participated in this game, more or less.

They did not say that nobody else ever had slavery or participated in the slave trade at any time. But by the 1860s, slavery was rapidly going out of style, and the Confederacy was very unusual in their efforts to promote it.

[Avenio]

For a thing, Ifreann and Avenio has pretty much implied that (especially Ifreann who insists that the "flag of slavery", is the Confederate one). I just want to be fair and deliver justice to all the "players" that participated in this game, more or less.

Don't put words in my mouth. What I was implying was that, at the time the Civil War began in 1861, the Confederacy was the only Western state (other than Brazil, which was at that point on the road to abolition) to still practice slavery. What's moreso, it is the only Western state to both come into existence for the sole purpose of preserving slavery and the only Western state to fight a war in the name of preserving slavery. Its entire brief existence revolved around that institution.