The Confederate battle flag

[Kelinfort]

Really. Which part of the Constitution should we read?

Which part of the British bill of rights gave you the right to secede from the empire?

It didn't. Both secessions were illegal, until the British Empire recognised the US as a nation. The Confederacy was and always will be illegitimate for that reason.

[Ucropi]

Which part of the British bill of rights gave you the right to secede from the empire?

Irrelevant. We are discussing the CSA and the claim of it was legal was made......

How is it irrelevant? If it's wrong for the CSA to do it why was it okay for America to do it?

[Lininiel]

As Voltaire said: I do not agree with what you are saying, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.

[Farnhamia]

Any individual who reads the secession documents issued by the several southern states, as well as the Alexander Stevens' Cornerstone Speech, will know what that flag stands for.

I said earlier that the flag stood for many things. Yes, slavery existed in the south. However I believe the Confederacy also stood for the right not to have the government involved in everything they did, a noble sentiment. I can only tell you that I do not support slavery of any race, but I will not see the day when one's right to fly a flag is denied just because someone else doesn't agree with them.

How can you claim the South stood for limited government in the face of the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850, which required all law enforcement officials, on penalty of fines, to apprehend and return slaves, even in states where slavery was itself illegal, some of which states declared slaves entering their territory to be free? You can't have it both ways, non-interference your affairs and massive interference in the affairs of others. Remember, we're talking about bondage slavery, not some philosophical debate on politics. The history of the early Republic is one of a slow movement away from slavery by some states and a desperate clinging to it by others.

[Lininiel]

I said earlier that the flag stood for many things. Yes, slavery existed in the south. However I believe the Confederacy also stood for the right not to have the government involved in everything they did, a noble sentiment. I can only tell you that I do not support slavery of any race, but I will not see the day when one's right to fly a flag is denied just because someone else doesn't agree with them.

How can you claim the South stood for limited government in the face of the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850, which required all law enforcement officials, on penalty of fines, to apprehend and return slaves, even in states where slavery was itself illegal, some of which states declared slaves entering their territory to be free? You can't have it both ways, non-interference your affairs and massive interference in the affairs of others. Remember, we're talking about bondage slavery, not some philosophical debate on politics. The history of the early Republic is one of a slow movement away from slavery by some states and a desperate clinging to it by others.

The U.S passed that act. Is this not about politics, at all?

[Ucropi]

I said earlier that the flag stood for many things. Yes, slavery existed in the south. However I believe the Confederacy also stood for the right not to have the government involved in everything they did, a noble sentiment. I can only tell you that I do not support slavery of any race, but I will not see the day when one's right to fly a flag is denied just because someone else doesn't agree with them.

How can you claim the South stood for limited government in the face of the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850, which required all law enforcement officials, on penalty of fines, to apprehend and return slaves, even in states where slavery was itself illegal, some of which states declared slaves entering their territory to be free? You can't have it both ways, non-interference your affairs and massive interference in the affairs of others. Remember, we're talking about bondage slavery, not some philosophical debate on politics. The history of the early Republic is one of a slow movement away from slavery by some states and a desperate clinging to it by others.

How can you say that the American revolution was based on wanting to have a fair government when they secede 4 years after Somerset v Stewart in which slavery was found unsupported by law?

[Farnhamia]

As Voltaire said: I do not agree with what you are saying, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.

M. Voltaire would be disgusted by your invocation of him in an argument about slavery.

[Sdaeriji]

How can you claim the South stood for limited government in the face of the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850, which required all law enforcement officials, on penalty of fines, to apprehend and return slaves, even in states where slavery was itself illegal, some of which states declared slaves entering their territory to be free? You can't have it both ways, non-interference your affairs and massive interference in the affairs of others. Remember, we're talking about bondage slavery, not some philosophical debate on politics. The history of the early Republic is one of a slow movement away from slavery by some states and a desperate clinging to it by others.

How can you say that the American revolution was based on wanting to have a fair government when they secede 4 years after Somerset v Stewart in which slavery was found unsupported by law?

She didn't say that.

[Lininiel]

As Voltaire said: I do not agree with what you are saying, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.

M. Voltaire would be disgusted by your invocation of him in an argument about slavery.

The argument is not just about slavery. You who condemn the flag keep bringing it to that. Voltaire himself said he would defend my right to say what I am saying.

[Ucropi]

How can you say that the American revolution was based on wanting to have a fair government when they secede 4 years after Somerset v Stewart in which slavery was found unsupported by law?

She didn't say that.

Non-responsive please stay on topic we're not talking about what people said.

[Farnhamia]

How can you claim the South stood for limited government in the face of the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850, which required all law enforcement officials, on penalty of fines, to apprehend and return slaves, even in states where slavery was itself illegal, some of which states declared slaves entering their territory to be free? You can't have it both ways, non-interference your affairs and massive interference in the affairs of others. Remember, we're talking about bondage slavery, not some philosophical debate on politics. The history of the early Republic is one of a slow movement away from slavery by some states and a desperate clinging to it by others.

How can you say that the American revolution was based on wanting to have a fair government when they secede 4 years after Somerset v Stewart in which slavery was found unsupported by law?

What does that have to do with the causes of the American Revolution? And anyway, the topic is the Confederate battle flag and what it stands for, not the American Revolution. You are welcome to start another thread on that subject.

[Sdaeriji]

She didn't say that.

Non-responsive please stay on topic we're not talking about what people said.

You are.

[Ucropi]

How can you say that the American revolution was based on wanting to have a fair government when they secede 4 years after Somerset v Stewart in which slavery was found unsupported by law?

What does that have to do with the causes of the American Revolution? And anyway, the topic is the Confederate battle flag and what it stands for, not the American Revolution. You are welcome to start another thread on that subject.

You seriously don't see the parallels?

Both America and the CSA secede
Both are motivated by the fear of the loss of slavery
Both claim "higher" political reasons for secession

[The Black Forrest]

Irrelevant. We are discussing the CSA and the claim of it was legal was made......

How is it irrelevant? If it's wrong for the CSA to do it why was it okay for America to do it?

The questions of the long thread or the Confederate flag and what it stands for.

The US flag or the actions of the Revolution are irrelevant.

[The Black Forrest]

What does that have to do with the causes of the American Revolution? And anyway, the topic is the Confederate battle flag and what it stands for, not the American Revolution. You are welcome to start another thread on that subject.

You seriously don't see the parallels?

Both America and the CSA secede
Both are motivated by the fear of the loss of slavery
Both claim "higher" political reasons for secession

Actually Jefferson and a few others wanted to end Slavery. The future CSA bulked at that idea.

[Farnhamia]

What does that have to do with the causes of the American Revolution? And anyway, the topic is the Confederate battle flag and what it stands for, not the American Revolution. You are welcome to start another thread on that subject.

You seriously don't see the parallels?

Both America and the CSA secede
Both are motivated by the fear of the loss of slavery
Both claim "higher" political reasons for secession

Again, the American Revolution is not the topic. Start a thread on that if you want. Do not continue this line here.

[Ucropi]

How is it irrelevant? If it's wrong for the CSA to do it why was it okay for America to do it?

The questions of the long thread or the Confederate flag and what it stands for.

The US flag or the actions of the Revolution are irrelevant.

I love how apparently no American can see the parallels between the American revolution and the Souths succession. If the confederate flag stands for slavery and rebellion why doesn't the american flag?

America had slavery hundreds of years longer than the CSA yet you claim the CSA flag stands for slavery? I don't understand.

[Creamy pleasures]

I proudly have a rebel battle flag right next to the American flag in my room. True patriots appreciate the Rebel Flag as a symbol of a time in our nation's history that shall never be forgotten, unfortunately many wish to see this flag never displayed in their hopes that we will forget and that history will repeat itself. Pay no attention to these fools, and if you have a Confederate Battle flag display it proudly alongside the other flags that represent our great nation, the greatest country on Earth.
Thank You

[Sdaeriji]

The questions of the long thread or the Confederate flag and what it stands for.

The US flag or the actions of the Revolution are irrelevant.

I love how apparently no American can see the parallels between the American revolution and the Souths succession. If the confederate flag stands for slavery and rebellion why doesn't the american flag?

America had slavery hundreds of years longer than the CSA yet you claim the CSA flag stands for slavery? I don't understand.

The American Revolution was not fought specifically to defend the institution of slavery. The War of Southern Treason was.

This question has been answered at least a dozen times. Please stop the threadjack.

[Farnhamia]

Once more, the topic is the Confederate battle flag and what it stands for. The topic is not the American Revolution and its origins.

The topic is locked for a short time for this to be seen by everyone.

[Lininiel]

Once more, the topic is the Confederate battle flag and what it stands for. The topic is not the American Revolution and its origins.

The topic is locked for a short time for this to be seen by everyone.

Stop saying it is irrelevant. The similarities have been explained. Come up with a response. You are simply not helping anything with your denial of a valid point.

[The Black Forrest]

The questions of the long thread or the Confederate flag and what it stands for.

The US flag or the actions of the Revolution are irrelevant.

I love how apparently no American can see the parallels between the American revolution and the Souths succession. If the confederate flag stands for slavery and rebellion why doesn't the american flag?

America had slavery hundreds of years longer than the CSA yet you claim the CSA flag stands for slavery? I don't understand.

The French and the English had slaves before that so I am sure we can draw parallels.

It's a distraction and a weak attempt at justification.

Let's stay with the original question of what does the CSA flag represent.......

[The Black Forrest]

Once more, the topic is the Confederate battle flag and what it stands for. The topic is not the American Revolution and its origins.

The topic is locked for a short time for this to be seen by everyone.

Stop saying it is irrelevant. The similarities have been explained. Come up with a response. You are simply not helping anything with your denial of a valid point.

In case you missed it:

The American Revolution was not fought specifically to defend the institution of slavery. The War of Southern Treason was.

This question has been answered at least a dozen times. Please stop the threadjack.

[Ucropi]

I love how apparently no American can see the parallels between the American revolution and the Souths succession. If the confederate flag stands for slavery and rebellion why doesn't the american flag?

America had slavery hundreds of years longer than the CSA yet you claim the CSA flag stands for slavery? I don't understand.

The French and the English had slaves before that so I am sure we can draw parallels.

It's a distraction and a weak attempt at justification.

Let's stay with the original question of what does the CSA flag represent.......

No how about we discuss WHY it represents what you claim it does. That's what I've been trying to accomplish.

[Lininiel]

That question has many answers.