The Confederate battle flag

[The Black Forrest]

Yes, The Fort Sumpter incident was caused wholly by the Federalist States of America. They didn't remove themself from Confederate Territory.

A peaceful secession involves the negotiated turnover of facilities. Not eviction by force.

Details.....

[Sdaeriji]

In other words, it was written by southern revisionists.

Glad you can see how wrong your side is that you try to find the smallest crack in my post to pick at. Also British/Canadian historians don't really care about the north or south when they right history books.

Non-responsive.

[Vazdania]

Where does it say that they are required to be a part of the union? As stated previously all laws and rulings pertaining to the south and its so called illegal secession were made after the civil war or after the state had already seceded.

Ah. So you admit there isn't anything in the Constitution over that.

Since states vote to join the union voluntarily they had the right to remove themselves voluntarily.

[Vazdania]

The fort was previously federal property. As soon as the state removed itself from the union, that property became the states.

Eminent domain generally does not apply to federal property, and requires both legal proceedings and some form of compensation.

Not if its an agressive foreign force that is on your property.

[Lininiel]

Good Sir! I am in no way upset. I simply ask everyone to let everyone be, let folks decide for themselves. People try to make others think the same as them. That is the very reason the flag is so widely associated with slavery. Perhaps individuals should decide for themselves. I value your opinion, even though my beliefs are different. This way we both may get along quite well even though our opinions differ on this topic.

Any individual who reads the secession documents issued by the several southern states, as well as the Alexander Stevens' Cornerstone Speech, will know what that flag stands for.

I said earlier that the flag stood for many things. Yes, slavery existed in the south. However I believe the Confederacy also stood for the right not to have the government involved in everything they did, a noble sentiment. I can only tell you that I do not support slavery of any race, but I will not see the day when one's right to fly a flag is denied just because someone else doesn't agree with them.

[Kelinfort]

Ah. So you admit there isn't anything in the Constitution over that.

Since states vote to join the union voluntarily they had the right to remove themselves voluntarily.

Again, you cannot claim since one legal process is legal, that the opposite is legal.

[Ucropi]

Glad you can see how wrong your side is that you try to find the smallest crack in my post to pick at. Also British/Canadian historians don't really care about the north or south when they right history books.

Non-responsive.

Please go back to my post and explain to me how the American Revolution and by extension the American flag don't stand for slavery and rebellion.

[Vazdania]

The fort was previously federal property. As soon as the state removed itself from the union, that property became the states.

No. See, the process to secede was never legal and after the war, it was retroactively declared illegal. There was no legal process. You cannot use a process that is legally grey as an excuse to exit a contract.

It was entirely legal, the state had the right to secede.

[The Black Forrest]

Believe what you like, just don't pretend to be upset when other people look down on you for waving a flag associated with slavery and rebellion.

Good Sir! I am in no way upset. I simply ask everyone to let everyone be, let folks decide for themselves. People try to make others think the same as them. That is the very reason the flag is so widely associated with slavery. Perhaps individuals should decide for themselves. I value your opinion, even though my beliefs are different. This way we both may get along quite well even though our opinions differ on this topic.

Wrong gender

Revising history is worst then trying to make everybody think the same.

The South needs to build a new name for themselves. It's not like they can't.

[Nazi Flower Power]

I'd like to note that I wasn't nearly this anti-Confederacy when the thread began. Something about the Confederate apologists is just really grating on me.

Yup. The Confederacy is like the 3rd Reich. The more you learn about it, the more you realize it was led by complete asshats. Jefferson Davis is one of the biggest douches ever.

[Lininiel]

Eminent domain generally does not apply to federal property, and requires both legal proceedings and some form of compensation.

Not if its an agressive foreign force that is on your property.

Aye.

[Sdaeriji]

Eminent domain generally does not apply to federal property, and requires both legal proceedings and some form of compensation.

Not if its an agressive foreign force that is on your property.

Thankfully, the Union forces at the fort were neither aggressive nor foreign. Non-responsive.

[Sdaeriji]

Non-responsive.

Please go back to my post and explain to me how the American Revolution and by extension the American flag don't stand for slavery and rebellion.

Non-responsive. This thread is about the Confederate flag.

[The Black Forrest]

Which was never their territory. They never went through a legal process of any kind if it existed, and their cause was weakened by the fact they were clearly represented.

It was there territory. It was their property. The states voluntarily de-ratified their state constitution and bid in the United States of America.

They were federal forts; not their property......

[Lininiel]

Good Sir! I am in no way upset. I simply ask everyone to let everyone be, let folks decide for themselves. People try to make others think the same as them. That is the very reason the flag is so widely associated with slavery. Perhaps individuals should decide for themselves. I value your opinion, even though my beliefs are different. This way we both may get along quite well even though our opinions differ on this topic.

Wrong gender

Revising history is worst then trying to make everybody think the same.

The South needs to build a new name for themselves. It's not like they can't.

Agreed

[Kelinfort]

No. See, the process to secede was never legal and after the war, it was retroactively declared illegal. There was no legal process. You cannot use a process that is legally grey as an excuse to exit a contract.

It was entirely legal, the state had the right to secede.

Oh, goody, so you must have evidence in the Constitution to back this claim, right? Or some amendment or legal process?

No, you don't. Don't claim that, because it had never been attempted before, that automatically makes the process legal. It doesn't.

[The Black Forrest]

No. See, the process to secede was never legal and after the war, it was retroactively declared illegal. There was no legal process. You cannot use a process that is legally grey as an excuse to exit a contract.

It was entirely legal, the state had the right to secede.

Really. Which part of the Constitution should we read?

[Ucropi]

Please go back to my post and explain to me how the American Revolution and by extension the American flag don't stand for slavery and rebellion.

Non-responsive. This thread is about the Confederate flag.

If the American flag doesn't represent slavery and rebellion how does the confederate flag?

[Ucropi]

It was entirely legal, the state had the right to secede.

Really. Which part of the Constitution should we read?

Which part of the British bill of rights gave you the right to secede from the empire?

[Sdaeriji]

Non-responsive. This thread is about the Confederate flag.

If the American flag doesn't represent slavery and rebellion how does the confederate flag?

Non-responsive. The topic of the thread is the Confederate flag, not the Union flag. Please stay on topic.

[Lininiel]

Really. Which part of the Constitution should we read?

Which part of the British bill of rights gave you the right to secede from the empire?

None. That is the brilliant part of secession, you don't have to follow the laws of the government you are seceding from.

[Ucropi]

Which part of the British bill of rights gave you the right to secede from the empire?

None. That is the brilliant part of secession, you don't have to follow the laws of the government you are seceding from.

Personally I completely disagree with what the Confederate stands for, but I'm willing to play devils advocate for you guys because your side is clearly more thought out.

[The Black Forrest]

Really. Which part of the Constitution should we read?

Which part of the British bill of rights gave you the right to secede from the empire?

Irrelevant. We are discussing the CSA and the claim of it was legal was made......

[Lininiel]

None. That is the brilliant part of secession, you don't have to follow the laws of the government you are seceding from.

Personally I completely disagree with what the Confederate stands for, but I'm willing to play devils advocate for you guys because your side is clearly more thought out.

Thank ye.

[The Black Forrest]

Non-responsive. This thread is about the Confederate flag.

If the American flag doesn't represent slavery and rebellion how does the confederate flag?

Irrelevant. We are discussing the CSA flag.