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by The Black Forrest » Tue Jul 15, 2014 10:06 am
by Vazdania » Tue Jul 15, 2014 10:06 am
The Black Forrest wrote:Vazdania wrote:Where does it say that they are required to be a part of the union? As stated previously all laws and rulings pertaining to the south and its so called illegal secession were made after the civil war or after the state had already seceded.
Ah. So you admit there isn't anything in the Constitution over that.
by Vazdania » Tue Jul 15, 2014 10:06 am
by Lininiel » Tue Jul 15, 2014 10:08 am
Farnhamia wrote:Lininiel wrote:Good Sir! I am in no way upset. I simply ask everyone to let everyone be, let folks decide for themselves. People try to make others think the same as them. That is the very reason the flag is so widely associated with slavery. Perhaps individuals should decide for themselves. I value your opinion, even though my beliefs are different. This way we both may get along quite well even though our opinions differ on this topic.
Any individual who reads the secession documents issued by the several southern states, as well as the Alexander Stevens' Cornerstone Speech, will know what that flag stands for.
by Ucropi » Tue Jul 15, 2014 10:08 am
by Vazdania » Tue Jul 15, 2014 10:08 am
Kelinfort wrote:Vazdania wrote:The fort was previously federal property. As soon as the state removed itself from the union, that property became the states.
No. See, the process to secede was never legal and after the war, it was retroactively declared illegal. There was no legal process. You cannot use a process that is legally grey as an excuse to exit a contract.
by The Black Forrest » Tue Jul 15, 2014 10:08 am
Lininiel wrote:Farnhamia wrote:Believe what you like, just don't pretend to be upset when other people look down on you for waving a flag associated with slavery and rebellion.
Good Sir! I am in no way upset. I simply ask everyone to let everyone be, let folks decide for themselves. People try to make others think the same as them. That is the very reason the flag is so widely associated with slavery. Perhaps individuals should decide for themselves. I value your opinion, even though my beliefs are different. This way we both may get along quite well even though our opinions differ on this topic.
by Nazi Flower Power » Tue Jul 15, 2014 10:08 am
Dracoria wrote:I'd like to note that I wasn't nearly this anti-Confederacy when the thread began. Something about the Confederate apologists is just really grating on me.
by The Black Forrest » Tue Jul 15, 2014 10:09 am
Vazdania wrote:Kelinfort wrote:Which was never their territory. They never went through a legal process of any kind if it existed, and their cause was weakened by the fact they were clearly represented.
It was there territory. It was their property. The states voluntarily de-ratified their state constitution and bid in the United States of America.
by Lininiel » Tue Jul 15, 2014 10:09 am
The Black Forrest wrote:Lininiel wrote:Good Sir! I am in no way upset. I simply ask everyone to let everyone be, let folks decide for themselves. People try to make others think the same as them. That is the very reason the flag is so widely associated with slavery. Perhaps individuals should decide for themselves. I value your opinion, even though my beliefs are different. This way we both may get along quite well even though our opinions differ on this topic.
Wrong gender
Revising history is worst then trying to make everybody think the same.
The South needs to build a new name for themselves. It's not like they can't.
by Kelinfort » Tue Jul 15, 2014 10:10 am
by The Black Forrest » Tue Jul 15, 2014 10:10 am
by Ucropi » Tue Jul 15, 2014 10:10 am
by Ucropi » Tue Jul 15, 2014 10:10 am
by Ucropi » Tue Jul 15, 2014 10:13 am
by The Black Forrest » Tue Jul 15, 2014 10:13 am
by Lininiel » Tue Jul 15, 2014 10:14 am
Ucropi wrote:Lininiel wrote:None. That is the brilliant part of secession, you don't have to follow the laws of the government you are seceding from.
Personally I completely disagree with what the Confederate stands for, but I'm willing to play devils advocate for you guys because your side is clearly more thought out.
by The Black Forrest » Tue Jul 15, 2014 10:14 am
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