The Confederate battle flag

[Nazi Flower Power]

Watch it? I never stop.

I have Gods And Generals too.

I didn't care for that one. Maybe I was just in the wrong mood when I watched it. I dunno...

[Nazi Flower Power]

I like the part where the Confederate guy says he's fighting for his rats. I assume he meant "rights," but it really sounds like "rats."

Not that people from Maine always speak good English... Most of them do, but when you find one that does have a thick local accent, it doesn't sound pretty.

You must hate Stephen King then.

Why? Does he have a bad accent?

[TheConfederate States of America]

I have Gods And Generals too.

Not as good as Gettysburg, despite the much larger budget. Didn't seem nearly as cohesive; Gettysburg worked as a single movie despite being originally filmed for a miniseries, but it felt like G&G really would have worked better as a miniseries.

But I wish Gettysburg had more blood and gore...
Oh well.

[Baiynistan]

Aesthetically, I love the Battle Flag. It's striking, bold and relatively simplistic and while I prefer the symbolism of the Stars & Stripes, I think the 'stars & bars' looks way cooler.

Unfortunately, the first images conjured in my mind when seeing the Battle Flag are pictures of bigoted ghouls dressed up in sheets and burning crucifixes outside people's homes. I see lynchings, reactionary thought and anti-intellectualism.
A ways down after that, I see cool 80's metal bands (like Pantera and Iron Maiden) wearing it as a symbol of rock & roll, which is what sparked my love for the flag I think.

[Gaelic Celtia]

You must hate Stephen King then.

Why? Does he have a bad accent?

In several of his books, and especially Pet Sematary, he has character dialogue in Maine accents.

[TheConfederate States of America]

In flags the color white often represents purity.

Or possibly whites.

Really......
We couldn't possibly know that.

[Dracoria]

Not as good as Gettysburg, despite the much larger budget. Didn't seem nearly as cohesive; Gettysburg worked as a single movie despite being originally filmed for a miniseries, but it felt like G&G really would have worked better as a miniseries.

But I wish Gettysburg had more blood and gore...
Oh well.

It did fine without it. We can't have that scene in the background at the end of the second day in every scene. You know, the one outside the Confederate field hospital where the surgeon dumps a bucket into the wagon?

[Gaelic Celtia]

Or possibly whites.

Really......
We couldn't possibly know that.

To be fair we couldn't possibly know that it means purity.

[TheConfederate States of America]

Aesthetically, I love the Battle Flag. It's striking, bold and relatively simplistic and while I prefer the symbolism of the Stars & Stripes, I think the 'stars & bars' looks way cooler.

Unfortunately, the first images conjured in my mind when seeing the Battle Flag are pictures of bigoted ghouls dressed up in sheets and burning crucifixes outside people's homes. I see lynchings, reactionary thought and anti-intellectualism.
A ways down after that, I see cool 80's metal bands (like Pantera and Iron Maiden) wearing it as a symbol of rock & roll, which is what sparked my love for the flag I think.

That's not the stars and bars.

This is.




This was the first national flag of the CSA.

You must remember that the KKK uses the US flag too not just the confederate battle flag.

[Gaelic Celtia]

Aesthetically, I love the Battle Flag. It's striking, bold and relatively simplistic and while I prefer the symbolism of the Stars & Stripes, I think the 'stars & bars' looks way cooler.

Unfortunately, the first images conjured in my mind when seeing the Battle Flag are pictures of bigoted ghouls dressed up in sheets and burning crucifixes outside people's homes. I see lynchings, reactionary thought and anti-intellectualism.
A ways down after that, I see cool 80's metal bands (like Pantera and Iron Maiden) wearing it as a symbol of rock & roll, which is what sparked my love for the flag I think.

That's not the stars and bars.

This is.

This was the first national flag of the CSA.

You must remember that the KKK uses the US flag too not just the confederate battle flag.

And the KKK was founded by Forrest and other former Confederates.

[Dracoria]

That's not the stars and bars.

This is.

(Image)

This was the first national flag of the CSA.

You must remember that the KKK uses the US flag too not just the confederate battle flag.

And the KKK was founded by Forrest and other former Confederates.

Run, Forrest, Run! Yes I know that's actually where Forrest Gump's name came from.

[Nazi Flower Power]

Why? Does he have a bad accent?

In several of his books, and especially Pet Sematary, he has character dialogue in Maine accents.

As long as I don't have to actually listen to them, it's fine. It just is painful to listen to if I have to hear someone from Maine trying to talk when they don't speak proper English. I know some people from outside New England have the same reaction to Massachusetts accents, so I guess now I know how they feel.

[Gaelic Celtia]

In several of his books, and especially Pet Sematary, he has character dialogue in Maine accents.

As long as I don't have to actually listen to them, it's fine. It just is painful to listen to if I have to hear someone from Maine trying to talk when they don't speak proper English. I know some people from outside New England have the same reaction to Massachusetts accents, so I guess now I know how they feel.

Oh ho, it's just as painful to read.

[Dakini]

Another thing is the "X" means "CH" as in Christ but I forget what old language it comes from.

That would be the Greek letter Chi that you're thinking of.

[TheConfederate States of America]

But I wish Gettysburg had more blood and gore...
Oh well.

It did fine without it. We can't have that scene in the background at the end of the second day in every scene. You know, the one outside the Confederate field hospital where the surgeon dumps a bucket into the wagon?

Oh yah I remember now....
I still wish it was like wicked spring though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5ooBiCLlqA

[TheConfederate States of America]

Another thing is the "X" means "CH" as in Christ but I forget what old language it comes from.

That would be the Greek letter Chi that you're thinking of.

I think it was Roman.

[TheConfederate States of America]

In several of his books, and especially Pet Sematary, he has character dialogue in Maine accents.

As long as I don't have to actually listen to them, it's fine. It just is painful to listen to if I have to hear someone from Maine trying to talk when they don't speak proper English. I know some people from outside New England have the same reaction to Massachusetts accents, so I guess now I know how they feel.

The same could be said about southern accents.

[Dakini]

That would be the Greek letter Chi that you're thinking of.

I think it was Roman.

No. We use the same alphabet as the Romans (plus a few letters).


edit: Also, Roman isn't a language. The Romans spoke Latin.

[TheConfederate States of America]

And the KKK was founded by Forrest and other former Confederates.

Run, Forrest, Run! Yes I know that's actually where Forrest Gump's name came from.

But Forrest saw what the klan was and backed out and had it dismanteled.

[Baiynistan]

That's not the stars and bars.

This is.


[img]http://caveofknowledge.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/stars_and_bars.gif[img]

This was the first national flag of the CSA.

You must remember that the KKK uses the US flag too not just the confederate battle flag.

Ahh. My mistake. Thanks for the correction!

I suppose they do use the US flag in rallies too, but I think because that flag represents so much more in the Zeitgeist, both positive and negative, it doesn't have the same intrinsic psychological ties to racism that the Battle Flag has. It isn't really used for much other than typically negative ideas/movements. The Confederacy fought to keep slavery (among other things). Even if that was for purely economic reasons and had nothing to do with race supremacy or the likes. It still supported a very shitty social system. The Battle Flag hasn't had much more exposure in the way of representing stately offices beyond taking up a small portion of State flags but even they are simply seen as relics of an age that should be grown out of and shelved.
What else is the Battle Flag used for in pop culture? Bad country music, Southern divisiveness, the redneck Starsky & Hutch TV show. The Battle Flag just hasn't had a lot of positive press and that's bound to affect how society at large is going to react to it.

[Dracoria]

Run, Forrest, Run! Yes I know that's actually where Forrest Gump's name came from.

But Forrest saw what the klan was and backed out and had it dismanteled.

He had some reservations, but I don't think it got dismantled so much as driven underground during Grant's time as president.

[Nazi Flower Power]

As long as I don't have to actually listen to them, it's fine. It just is painful to listen to if I have to hear someone from Maine trying to talk when they don't speak proper English. I know some people from outside New England have the same reaction to Massachusetts accents, so I guess now I know how they feel.

Oh ho, it's just as painful to read.

Let's assemble an army of speech therapists to invade Maine and wipe out the crappy accents!

[Dracoria]

That's not the stars and bars.

This is.


[img]http://caveofknowledge.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/stars_and_bars.gif[img]

This was the first national flag of the CSA.

You must remember that the KKK uses the US flag too not just the confederate battle flag.

Ahh. My mistake. Thanks for the correction!

I suppose they do use the US flag in rallies too, but I think because that flag represents so much more in the Zeitgeist, both positive and negative, it doesn't have the same intrinsic psychological ties to racism that the Battle Flag has. It isn't really used for much other than typically negative ideas/movements. The Confederacy fought to keep slavery (among other things). Even if that was for purely economic reasons and had nothing to do with race supremacy or the likes. It still supported a very shitty social system. The Battle Flag hasn't had much more exposure in the way of representing stately offices beyond taking up a small portion of State flags but even they are simply seen as relics of an age that should be grown out of and shelved.
What else is the Battle Flag used for in pop culture? Bad country music, Southern divisiveness, the redneck Starsky & Hutch TV show. The Battle Flag just hasn't had a lot of positive press and that's bound to affect how society at large is going to react to it.

You're forgettin' them there Duke boys.

[Conkerials]

Remembrance in this order

Civil War>CSA>Slavery>"States Rights" (TO SLAVERY....)>Bigotry>etc

[Baiynistan]

You're forgettin' them there Duke boys.

That was the redneck Starsky & Hutch I was referring to.