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Postby Atlanticatia » Wed Jul 16, 2014 1:00 pm

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Most of the African countries are unstable though.

And if you look at just Zimbabwe, their economy won't be growing any time soon unless they stop with this type of stuff. They need foreign investment.


It doesn't matter. The governments most likely, won't implement laws that are like Zimbabwes because they no that Mugabe is just a dictator.


What about Zimbabwe's economy, though?
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Postby United States Kingdom » Wed Jul 16, 2014 1:02 pm

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It doesn't matter. The governments most likely, won't implement laws that are like Zimbabwes because they no that Mugabe is just a dictator.


What about Zimbabwe's economy, though?


It is obvious the economy is a shitcase.

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Postby Atlanticatia » Wed Jul 16, 2014 1:04 pm

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What about Zimbabwe's economy, though?


It is obvious the economy is a shitcase.


It won't be improving any time with Mugabe confiscating people's lands, violating property rights, and having an unstable government, now will it? That is why Mugabe's plan is just stupid.
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Postby United States Kingdom » Wed Jul 16, 2014 1:05 pm

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It is obvious the economy is a shitcase.


It won't be improving any time with Mugabe confiscating people's lands, violating property rights, and having an unstable government, now will it? That is why Mugabe's plan is just stupid.


While I agree that Mugabe's policies are terrible, I think that this one despite having economic consequences is correcting the mistakes of colonialism

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Postby Geilinor » Wed Jul 16, 2014 1:51 pm

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Geilinor wrote:Their ancestors took the land. Nobody alive today colonized Zimbabwe.


Zimbabwe's Caucasian minority has an elderly population indicating that their are some that lived during colonial times.

Yes, but they didn't colonize Zimbabwe. The country was colonized in the 19th century.
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Postby United States Kingdom » Wed Jul 16, 2014 1:52 pm

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Zimbabwe's Caucasian minority has an elderly population indicating that their are some that lived during colonial times.

Yes, but they didn't colonize Zimbabwe. The country was colonized in the 19th century.


Yet they bought land from black people who lived there peacefully.

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Postby Quintium » Wed Jul 16, 2014 2:16 pm

United States Kingdom wrote:Yet they bought land from black people who lived there peacefully.


True. They bought a lot of land, and created a lot of work for black farmers. Then Mugabe came, and they had to give their land to those black farmers, but those black farmers had neither the means nor the skill required to maintain large commercial farms, and now Zimbabwe has changed from Africa's bread basket to Africa's basket case.
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Postby Geilinor » Wed Jul 16, 2014 2:18 pm

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Geilinor wrote:Yes, but they didn't colonize Zimbabwe. The country was colonized in the 19th century.


Yet they bought land from black people who lived there peacefully.

Buying land isn't bad. Only forcibly taking it is bad. If land is to be taken away by Mugabe, it should be proven to have been illegitimately acquired (as in "stolen").
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Postby United States Kingdom » Wed Jul 16, 2014 2:18 pm

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United States Kingdom wrote:Yet they bought land from black people who lived there peacefully.


True. They bought a lot of land, and created a lot of work for black farmers. Then Mugabe came, and they had to give their land to those black farmers, but those black farmers had neither the means nor the skill required to maintain large commercial farms, and now Zimbabwe has changed from Africa's bread basket to Africa's basket case.


And the black people who used to live there didn't do anything but they were removed for no reason

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Postby Geilinor » Wed Jul 16, 2014 2:18 pm

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True. They bought a lot of land, and created a lot of work for black farmers. Then Mugabe came, and they had to give their land to those black farmers, but those black farmers had neither the means nor the skill required to maintain large commercial farms, and now Zimbabwe has changed from Africa's bread basket to Africa's basket case.


And the black people who used to live there didn't do anything but they were removed for no reason

Forcibly or through purchase?
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Postby Atlanticatia » Wed Jul 16, 2014 2:23 pm

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Geilinor wrote:Yes, but they didn't colonize Zimbabwe. The country was colonized in the 19th century.


Yet they bought land from black people who lived there peacefully.


If they bought the land, then there's no reason to "return it".

Should white people in Germany confiscate all property from people who aren't German?

(hint, hint; that's called Nazi Germany)
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Postby Lavan Tiri » Wed Jul 16, 2014 2:26 pm

The key word here is bought.. Bought. As in, one person voluntarily gave their land to someone else in exchange for monetary units, and now the buyer owns that land and can force anyone they want off because it's theirs. Also, USK, do you support the Amerindians employing methods like this to reclaim their land from whites, or the Hungarian natives against Magyars? Because that's what you sound like, like ethnicity is the only damn tie that holds people, nations, and societies together.
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Postby Civilana » Wed Jul 16, 2014 2:28 pm

He's basically wrecking his country.


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Postby United States Kingdom » Wed Jul 16, 2014 2:28 pm

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And the black people who used to live there didn't do anything but they were removed for no reason

Forcibly or through purchase?


Both

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Postby Geilinor » Wed Jul 16, 2014 2:32 pm

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Geilinor wrote:Forcibly or through purchase?


Both

Then convict the landowners who stole land and leave the other ones alone.
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Postby United States Kingdom » Wed Jul 16, 2014 2:34 pm

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Both

Then convict the landowners who stole land and leave the other ones alone.

So the people who are desendants of the landowners who should be convicted should keep the land?

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Postby Sun Wukong » Wed Jul 16, 2014 2:35 pm

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Geilinor wrote:Then convict the landowners who stole land and leave the other ones alone.

So the people who are desendants of the landowners who should be convicted should keep the land?

You realize that you are presently arguing for the return of the entirety of the United States to Native Americans, right?
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Postby Geilinor » Wed Jul 16, 2014 2:35 pm

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Geilinor wrote:Then convict the landowners who stole land and leave the other ones alone.

So the people who are desendants of the landowners who should be convicted should keep the land?

If they're descendants, it would make no sense to punish them for what their ancestors did.
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Postby United States Kingdom » Wed Jul 16, 2014 2:36 pm

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United States Kingdom wrote:So the people who are desendants of the landowners who should be convicted should keep the land?

You realize that you are presently arguing for the return of the entirety of the United States to Native Americans, right?


Why can't they share their land? That's what I have been agreeing to, the return of colonized lands to black people. If they bought the land during Rhodesian times and they forcefully removed black people, give It back to them. If they bought it after Zimbabwe was born, I 'm cool with that. 8)
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Postby Sun Wukong » Wed Jul 16, 2014 2:36 pm

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Sun Wukong wrote:You realize that you are presently arguing for the return of the entirety of the United States to Native Americans, right?


Why can't they share their land?

I'll ask you that.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Wed Jul 16, 2014 3:12 pm

I'd say that we should impose sanctions, but it's not like Zimbabwe can afford to buy anything from us anyway...
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Postby United States Kingdom » Wed Jul 16, 2014 3:13 pm

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Why can't they share their land?

I'll ask you that.


Yes because it makes sense to ask someone the same question that I asked.

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Postby Charlotte Ryberg » Wed Jul 16, 2014 3:24 pm

I simply have no more trust in Mugabe: he caused a lot of unemployment and rendered the Zimbabwe dollar worthless. The $100,000,000,000,000 banknote might attract curious eyes, but it reflects how people's savings in the country literally disappeared.

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Postby Sun Wukong » Wed Jul 16, 2014 3:24 pm

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Sun Wukong wrote:I'll ask you that.


Yes because it makes sense to ask someone the same question that I asked.

Is English your first language?
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Postby United States Kingdom » Wed Jul 16, 2014 3:26 pm

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Yes because it makes sense to ask someone the same question that I asked.

Is English your first language?


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