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Postby Costa Fierro » Thu Jul 03, 2014 11:02 pm

That's the way a UN committee thinks it should be...

A United Nations’ committee approved a new resolution calling on the UK and Argentina to negotiate a solution to their dispute over the Falkland Islands, essentially favouring Argentina's stance in the long-running feud.

The 24-nation Decolonization Committee passed the resolution by consensus despite passionate speeches from two Falkland Islands representatives who said most islanders wanted to keep things as they are.

The decision showed that the committee members have been largely unmoved by a referendum in the Falkland Islands last year in which more than 99 per cent of voters favoured remaining a British Overseas Territory.

The UK has rebuffed Argentina's calls to negotiate the sovereignty of the south Atlantic islands, saying it is up to people who live there to decide.


"PUTA, LAS MALVINAS SON INGLESES!"

So Argentina not only has the support of its best friends at Mercosur, but also now apparently it also has the support of the United Nations Decolonization Committee, whose existence, as far as I can see, is to push small dependent states into independence when they don't want it, or in this case, hand them over to Argentina. Which kind of defeats the purpose, as it will only change the country that the Falklands are a territory of.

Not to mention that the current membership of the committee consists of one country that committed an illegal annexation of territory from another state, five countries from South America that support the Argentine claim, one country that already gave up territory for a new state and that subsequent new state.

The stupid thing about this is that the islanders have already decided what country they want to be a part of. They don't want to be a part of Argentina yet here we have the UN and its collection of human-rights violating butt buddies saying "fuck you and your choice, you should be a part of a country that invaded your territory and treated you like dirt because reasons".

So, NSG, fuck the UN? Or fuck the wicked British imperialists?
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Postby The 54th Squadron » Thu Jul 03, 2014 11:04 pm

Tell the committee to fuck off any stay away from their island. Simple as that.
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Postby Lyras » Thu Jul 03, 2014 11:05 pm

British got there first, and colonised the place.
No indigenous population before that.
Islands wish to remain British.

Argentina's persistence is almost admirable.
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Postby The North Falkland Islands » Thu Jul 03, 2014 11:06 pm

Lyras wrote:British got there first, and colonised the place.
No indigenous population before that.
Islands wish to remain British.

Argentina's persistence is almost admirable.


Pretty much ^_^

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Postby Luziyca » Thu Jul 03, 2014 11:07 pm

Personally, I'd settle it by having Argentina and Britain signing a treaty: Argentina gets the Malvinas and Britain keeps the Falklands. Refuse to specify which areas apply, and hope that the treaty that gives Argentina control of the Malvinas and Britain maintaining their rule of the Falklands will please the UN and not result in a war.
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Postby The 54th Squadron » Thu Jul 03, 2014 11:09 pm

Luziyca wrote:Personally, I'd settle it by having Argentina and Britain signing a treaty: Argentina gets the Malvinas and Britain keeps the Falklands. Refuse to specify which areas apply, and hope that the treaty that gives Argentina control of the Malvinas and Britain maintaining their rule of the Falklands will please the UN and not result in a war.


Or maybe they should. Sometimes war is the best way to get your message across.
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Postby The Tiger Kingdom » Thu Jul 03, 2014 11:10 pm

Lyras wrote:British got there first, and colonised the place.
No indigenous population before that.

Erm...not really.
The French got there first, in 1764. They then handed the sole settlement, Port Saint Louis, over to the Spaniards in 1767, who then renamed it Puerto Soledad. It was a Spanish colony until 1833 or so, when it was claimed by the British due to a combination of a "prior discovery claim" (who actually discovered the islands first, between the British, French, Spanish, and Portuguese, is basically unprovable now) and the claim that the island was "lawless" due to some local piratical activity, thus forfeiting the Spanish claim.
So then, Puerto Soledad became Port Stanley.
Lyras wrote:Islands wish to remain British.

Yeah, at this port, that kind of is the defining factor.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Thu Jul 03, 2014 11:10 pm

Lyras wrote:British got there first, and colonised the place.
No indigenous population before that.
Islands wish to remain British.

Argentina's persistence is almost admirable.


Technically, the French got there first. But neither the British nor the French were actually aware of the presence of each other's settlements as both were on different islands.
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Postby Lyras » Thu Jul 03, 2014 11:13 pm

I meant between the Argentines and the British. Franco-Spanish parts notwithstanding, and not in play.
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Thu Jul 03, 2014 11:28 pm

The islanders themselves want to remain British, so it's pretty clear what the proper solution is: keeping the islands British. The UN committee should stop pretending that it knows what the islanders should want.
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Postby Libertarian California » Thu Jul 03, 2014 11:30 pm

Britain needs to put some heavily-armed troops and bombers on the islands. Argentina will surely back down due to their presence alone.
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Postby The Sarian » Thu Jul 03, 2014 11:38 pm

I speak having previously lived in the Falklands, the Islanders want to be British. The Falklands are almost more British than Britain itself, people fly British flags from their flagpoles, and cars, people paint their cars in the Union flag. In most households, there is a picture of Her Majesty, The Queen (And Margaret Thatcher).

And above all, 99.8% of the Islanders voted to remain British. If that is not a clear message, then I have no idea what classifies as one.
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Postby Benuty » Thu Jul 03, 2014 11:38 pm

Libertarian California wrote:Britain needs to put some heavily-armed troops and bombers on the islands. Argentina will surely back down due to their presence alone.

With how backward the Argentine military is?
They probably will not have to worry about a *snicker "war" *snicker* anytime soon.
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Postby The Tiger Kingdom » Thu Jul 03, 2014 11:39 pm

Libertarian California wrote:Britain needs to put some heavily-armed troops and bombers on the islands. Argentina will surely back down due to their presence alone.

They've been doing that for 30 years. Google "Mount Pleasant".
It hasn't really dissuaded them that much.
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Postby Luziyca » Thu Jul 03, 2014 11:42 pm

The 54th Squadron wrote:
Luziyca wrote:Personally, I'd settle it by having Argentina and Britain signing a treaty: Argentina gets the Malvinas and Britain keeps the Falklands. Refuse to specify which areas apply, and hope that the treaty that gives Argentina control of the Malvinas and Britain maintaining their rule of the Falklands will please the UN and not result in a war.


Or maybe they should. Sometimes war is the best way to get your message across.

Meh. It's best to attract more flies with the honey of peace than the vinegar of war.
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Thu Jul 03, 2014 11:42 pm

Luziyca wrote:Personally, I'd settle it by having Argentina and Britain signing a treaty: Argentina gets the Malvinas and Britain keeps the Falklands. Refuse to specify which areas apply, and hope that the treaty that gives Argentina control of the Malvinas and Britain maintaining their rule of the Falklands will please the UN and not result in a war.

Uh, what?
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Postby Luziyca » Thu Jul 03, 2014 11:46 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Luziyca wrote:Personally, I'd settle it by having Argentina and Britain signing a treaty: Argentina gets the Malvinas and Britain keeps the Falklands. Refuse to specify which areas apply, and hope that the treaty that gives Argentina control of the Malvinas and Britain maintaining their rule of the Falklands will please the UN and not result in a war.

Uh, what?

Argentina gets the Islas Malvinas, Britain gets the Falkland Islands. Simple, really.
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Postby Valentir » Thu Jul 03, 2014 11:48 pm

If Argentina wants the Falklands, they can come take them. The UN can go **** ******.

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Postby Estado Paulista » Thu Jul 03, 2014 11:48 pm

Chile doesn't support Argentina's claims to the Falklands, Cuba and Nicaragua aren't in South America, and the correct phrasing would be "Las Malvians son Inglesas".
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Postby Libertarian California » Thu Jul 03, 2014 11:49 pm

Benuty wrote:
Libertarian California wrote:Britain needs to put some heavily-armed troops and bombers on the islands. Argentina will surely back down due to their presence alone.

With how backward the Argentine military is?
They probably will not have to worry about a *snicker "war" *snicker* anytime soon.


A war they'd surely lose.
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Thu Jul 03, 2014 11:49 pm

Luziyca wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:Uh, what?

Argentina gets the Islas Malvinas, Britain gets the Falkland Islands. Simple, really.

I know what you said. I repeat myself: uh, what?
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Postby Elke and Elba » Fri Jul 04, 2014 12:13 am

Luziyca wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:Uh, what?

Argentina gets the Islas Malvinas, Britain gets the Falkland Islands. Simple, really.


Interprets the last comment: Islas Malvinas = Falkland Islands, it's just that the countries call it differently.

It's like Senkaku Islands and Diaoyu-dao.

EDIT: Which obviously makes splitting a far nigh impossible task.
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Postby Napkiraly » Fri Jul 04, 2014 12:16 am

On one hand the UK can tell this UN committee to fuck off. On the other hand the UK can tell this UN committee to kindly fuck off. Tough choices lay ahead for the UK it seems.

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Postby Lalaki » Fri Jul 04, 2014 12:16 am

Solution: Democratic vote on the island.

Let the people decide. It seems they are on the UK's side, though. I maybe incorrect. A referendum should be held there.
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Postby Napkiraly » Fri Jul 04, 2014 12:16 am

Lalaki wrote:Solution: Democratic vote on the island.

Let the people decide. It seems they are on the UK's side, though. I maybe incorrect. A referendum should be held there.

There already was one. 99.8% voted to stay with the UK.

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