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The Flood wrote:

Dangelia wrote:Good, but it seems to take the form of an almost atheist state.

I agree; the idea behind secularism is good, but usually the implementation is terrible, and just ends up oppressing the religious.

I'm more of a proponent of Symphonia Theory, which states that the church and state are complementary and exhibit mutual respect.

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:

The Serbian Empire wrote:Is this a good place to discuss Benny Hinn and other televangelists?

.... We can, but I'm pretty sure you'll find disdain across the board.

I think I'll reveal the problems of their faith healing. Especially Benny Hinn's which resembles extreme theatrics and the voice of the Dragonborn in Skyrim.

Dangelia wrote:

The Flood wrote:Hey guys what's your opinion of national secularism?

Good? Bad? Neither?

Good, but it seems to take the form of an almost atheist state.

Hardly, a state has to deny the existence of gods and/or God ergo taking a position of non-neutrality. Apatheism is the best choice since they simply do not care.

The Serbian Empire wrote:

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
.... We can, but I'm pretty sure you'll find disdain across the board.

I think I'll reveal the problems of their faith healing. Especially Benny Hinn's which resembles extreme theatrics and the voice of the Dragonborn in Skyrim.

Not really anything to reveal,... We're already quite aware, but if you need to get it out your system by all means,

Just thought I'd bring this up: Yesterday, I was arguing with 3 atheists in another thread, and all of them claimed that Jesus is not real and that there is no evidence of his existence. Now, I wonder how anyone can come to that conclusion.

Bunkeranlage wrote:Just thought I'd bring this up: Yesterday, I was arguing with 3 atheists in another thread, and all of them claimed that Jesus is not real and that there is no evidence of his existence. Now, I wonder how anyone can come to that conclusion.

I noted on multiple occasions in the CDT III that this topic is best taken to another thread (admitting that one person objected vigorously the last time I did so).

This isn't because the topic isn't germane to Christianity (of course it is) but rather because it's a topic that's regularly discussed as the primary topic in regularly recurring dedicated threads on the topic - any of which you can likely find by use of the forum search function - and tends to completely take over this thread to the detriment of broader discussion. As such, I suggest that you start another of these dedicated threads if you want to discuss this topic in detail.

I stress that I am not attempting to shut down discussion of the topic - only directing it towards a better forum (or rather, a better thread).

For reference, here's a fairly typical example of the topic from 2012 (please don't gravedig it).

The Archregimancy wrote:

Bunkeranlage wrote:Just thought I'd bring this up: Yesterday, I was arguing with 3 atheists in another thread, and all of them claimed that Jesus is not real and that there is no evidence of his existence. Now, I wonder how anyone can come to that conclusion.

I noted on multiple occasions in the CDT III that this topic is best taken to another thread (admitting that one person objected vigorously the last time I did so).

This isn't because the topic isn't germane to Christianity - of course it is - but rather because it's a topic that's regularly discussed as the primary topic in regularly recurring dedicated threads on the topic - any of which you can likely find by use of the forum search function - and tends to completely take over this thread to the detriment of broader discussion. As such, I suggest that you start another of these dedicated threads if you want to discuss this topic in detail.

I stress that I am not attempting to shut down discussion of the topic - only directing it towards a better forum (or rather, a better thread).

I see, I'll take note of that in future.

Dangelia wrote:

The Flood wrote:I agree; the idea behind secularism is good, but usually the implementation is terrible, and just ends up oppressing the religious.

I'm more of a proponent of Symphonia Theory, which states that the church and state are complementary and exhibit mutual respect.

How is that supposed to function in a society that isn't 100% christian?

The Flood wrote:

Dangelia wrote:Good, but it seems to take the form of an almost atheist state.

I agree; the idea behind secularism is good, but usually the implementation is terrible, and just ends up oppressing the religious.

Explain how.

Othelos wrote:

Dangelia wrote:I'm more of a proponent of Symphonia Theory, which states that the church and state are complementary and exhibit mutual respect.

How is that supposed to function in a society that isn't 100% christian?

The Flood wrote:I agree; the idea behind secularism is good, but usually the implementation is terrible, and just ends up oppressing the religious.

Explain how.

Simple really, secession.

Benuty wrote:

Othelos wrote:How is that supposed to function in a society that isn't 100% christian?


Explain how.

Simple really, secession.

Okay, explain how it'd work in an already existing nation.

Othelos wrote:

Benuty wrote:Simple really, secession.

Okay, explain how it'd work in an already existing nation.

I just did .

Benuty wrote:

Othelos wrote:Okay, explain how it'd work in an already existing nation.

I just did .

okay i mean without creating a new country

Othelos wrote:

Benuty wrote:I just did .

okay i mean without creating a new country

Easy, we Christians do what we want, and those pathetic minority religions keep their damn mouth shuts, and just be glad to be breathing the same air as us.

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:

Othelos wrote:okay i mean without creating a new country

Easy, we Christians do what we want, and those pathetic minority religions keep their damn mouth shuts, and just be glad to be breathing the same air as us.

*gasps* ohmygoodness

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:

Othelos wrote:okay i mean without creating a new country

Easy, we Christians do what we want, and those pathetic minority religions keep their damn mouth shuts, and just be glad to be breathing the same air as us.

Till you realize how important their contributions are to your country .

Othelos wrote:

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Easy, we Christians do what we want, and those pathetic minority religions keep their damn mouth shuts, and just be glad to be breathing the same air as us.

*gasps* ohmygoodness

Its okay, their economy will collapse like Spain did when all the Jews fled to the Ottoman empire .

Just a Roman Catholic checking in.

I'm surprised how many of my brethren are here.

Murkwood wrote:Just a Roman Catholic checking in.

I'm surprised how many of my brethren are here.

Catholicism is a big tent. A huge variety of opinion can fit inside.

Pope Joan wrote:

Murkwood wrote:Just a Roman Catholic checking in.

I'm surprised how many of my brethren are here.

Catholicism is a big tent. A huge variety of opinion can fit inside.

That's true. I'm guess I'm just happy at it's showing.

http://www.pcgamesn.com/super-3d-noahs- ... -3d-engine

Here's a computer game for Christians: Super 3D Noah's Ark.

The more I study ancient Isrealite culture, the more I find Protestantism to be Problematic.

The Serbian Empire wrote:

The Orson Empire wrote:This is the problem with fundamentalism, and why it is false.

It's not just false, but the fundamentalists are heretics for believing the day's length wasn't set on the first.

(I missed this post). Um, huh? I don't understand what you're saying?

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:The more I study ancient Isrealite culture, the more I find Protestantism to be Problematic.

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yep, same.

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:The more I study ancient Isrealite culture, the more I find Protestantism to be Problematic.

Well, there's no sense arguing that only Protestantism is problematic.

Chalcedonian Christianity is the problem, having been tampered with by secular forces just as Protestantism did.