Christian Discussion Thread IV

[Constantinopolis]

Fools! Baptism is Marxist!

Our secret plan has been compromised, comrades!

[Bari]

The problem here is you are using a Protestant version of the Holy Bible, which has been corrupted by Protestants to confirm their own beliefs.

The verse you are referring to actually says, "Today I am telling you that you will see Me in Heaven." This is different from, "I am telling you that you will see Me in Heaven today."
It goes, "I am telling you something today, right now. What am I telling you today? I am telling you that you will see Me in Heaven (at some point in time)."

That is incorrect. In the Greek (forget any translations) the adverb "today" is modifying the sentence spoken, not the verb "I am saying..."

We've established that it was incorrect. However, I don't believe Greek was the original language, so it doesn't have the final say on the matter as the original would.

[Vazdaria]

I wouldn't call Baptism pagan, but more of a perversion of this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikveh

It's pagan...and a perversion of the Mikveh.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Let's not squabble over who killed who.

[Benuty]

Let's not squabble over who killed who.

You might be on the wrong thread .

[Benuty]

I wouldn't call Baptism pagan, but more of a perversion of this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikveh

It's pagan...and a perversion of the Mikveh.

The closest thing I can find about baptism being pagan is
1) The Egyptian baptism of newborns to purify blemishes, and symbolically drown as the dead in the same river Osiris drowned. Not to mention the watery initiation of members in the cult of Isis.
unite the dead in the a ritual based off the mythic Osiris. Also the water
2) The Babylonian cult of Enke which used water as they believed it to cleanse all things.
3) The covering of a person in bulls blood if they were a part of the Cult of Cybele.
4) Immortal bathing rituals in Greece.
5) The mystery religions which often practiced baptisms to renew the body, and soul.

[Lleu llaw Gyffes]

I wouldn't call Baptism pagan, but more of a perversion of this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikveh

It's pagan...and a perversion of the Mikveh.

Wrong: mikveh makes you physically clean and you need to repeat it; baptism makes you spiritually clean and you only do it once.

[Benuty]

It's pagan...and a perversion of the Mikveh.

Wrong: mikveh makes you physically clean and you need to repeat it; baptism makes you spiritually clean and you only do it once.

Thats an incredibly archaic view on how the mikveh has evolved.

[Mineness]

By "Christianity', I mean the regional ontology formed by every sect and denomination of Christianity--that is, the ontological assumptions common to all sects and denominations of Christianity, and indeed, the Abrahamic paradigm in its totality.

Really we have seen no such disprovement of the ontological assumptions as you claim. What we've seem is a radical abandonment of high philosophy in favor of low philosophy in the form of radical adherence to empiricism. Yet, there is no proof such perspective is any less valid than the regional ontological assumptions.

This constitutes an extreme denial of the Kuhnian paradigmatic transformation that began with the onset of the 21st century. Empirically, treating quantum mechanical observables as logical propositions indicates that the classical assumptions of the regional ontologies of Abarhamic religions are false.

Distributive law: p and (q or r) = (p and q) or (p and r),
p = the particle has momentum in the interval (0, +1/6)
q = the particle is in the interval (-1,1)
r = the particle is in the interval (1,3)
p and (q or r) = true
Given delta x times delta y is greater than or equal to the Plack constant over two, then it follows that
(p and q) or (p and r) = false

[The Flood]

>people actually trying to argue that selfishness isn't a bad thing

I think I'm just about done with the internet.

[Mineness]

>people actually trying to argue that selfishness isn't a bad thing

I think I'm just about done with the internet.

Selfishness is perfectly rational within the reflexive self-recognition of the Sartrean paradigm.

[Menassa]

Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

How so?

It does not say "whoever is not baptized will be condemned".

Well then what do you believe it says?

[Menassa]

It's pagan...and a perversion of the Mikveh.

Wrong: mikveh makes you physically clean and you need to repeat it; baptism makes you spiritually clean and you only do it once.

Actually the point of the Mikveh is for spiritual purity.

[The Flood]

>people actually trying to argue that selfishness isn't a bad thing
I think I'm just about done with the internet.

Selfishness is perfectly rational within the reflexive self-recognition of the Sartrean paradigm.

And I see you find the thesaurus is also perfectly rational when trying to appear as an intellectual, no?

[Othelos]

>people actually trying to argue that selfishness isn't a bad thing

I think I'm just about done with the internet.

Selfishness is perfectly rational within the reflexive self-recognition of the Sartrean paradigm.

selfishness is biologically necessary.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Really we have seen no such disprovement of the ontological assumptions as you claim. What we've seem is a radical abandonment of high philosophy in favor of low philosophy in the form of radical adherence to empiricism. Yet, there is no proof such perspective is any less valid than the regional ontological assumptions.

This constitutes an extreme denial of the Kuhnian paradigmatic transformation that began with the onset of the 21st century. Empirically, treating quantum mechanical observables as logical propositions indicates that the classical assumptions of the regional ontologies of Abarhamic religions are false.

Distributive law: p and (q or r) = (p and q) or (p and r),
p = the particle has momentum in the interval (0, +1/6)
q = the particle is in the interval (-1,1)
r = the particle is in the interval (1,3)
p and (q or r) = true
Given delta x times delta y is greater than or equal to the Plack constant over two, then it follows that
(p and q) or (p and r) = false

...as much as it pains me to say, can I get that in layman's terms,

[Constantinopolis]

This constitutes an extreme denial of the Kuhnian paradigmatic transformation that began with the onset of the 21st century. Empirically, treating quantum mechanical observables as logical propositions indicates that the classical assumptions of the regional ontologies of Abarhamic religions are false.

Distributive law: p and (q or r) = (p and q) or (p and r),
p = the particle has momentum in the interval (0, +1/6)
q = the particle is in the interval (-1,1)
r = the particle is in the interval (1,3)
p and (q or r) = true
Given delta x times delta y is greater than or equal to the Plack constant over two, then it follows that
(p and q) or (p and r) = false

...as much as it pains me to say, can I get that in layman's terms,

Because of Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle, weird stuff happens in quantum physics that seems to contradict the basic principles of logic. The specific example here is of the distributive law being violated, although I'm not exactly knowledgeable in particle physics, so I can't determine if the example is actually correct or not.

Mineness seems to believe that, somehow, this disproves religion.

[The Flood]

Mineness seems to believe that, somehow, this disproves religion.

I don't see how that makes sense...

[Tarsonis Survivors]

...as much as it pains me to say, can I get that in layman's terms,

Because of Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle, weird stuff happens in quantum physics that seems to contradict the basic principles of logic. The specific example here is of the distributive law being violated, although I'm not exactly knowledgeable in particle physics, so I can't determine if the example is actually correct or not.

Mineness seems to believe that, somehow, this disproves religion.

I understood his premises, but I have no idea what his conclusions are.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Mineness seems to believe that, somehow, this disproves religion.

I don't see how that makes sense...

He appears to be using particle physics, to argue the metaphysics of God,

[Tarsonis Survivors]

>people actually trying to argue that selfishness isn't a bad thing

I think I'm just about done with the internet.

There is no good or evil, only power, and those too weak to seek it.

[Distruzio]

>people actually trying to argue that selfishness isn't a bad thing

I think I'm just about done with the internet.

There is no good or evil, only power, and those too weak to seek it.

Indeed. And those with the power, in my opinion, should wield it.

[Benuty]

There is no good or evil, only power, and those too weak to seek it.

Indeed. And those with the power, in my opinion, should wield it.

I sincerely doubt that. Those with the ability to hold power should respectively, and cautiously.

[Distruzio]

Indeed. And those with the power, in my opinion, should wield it.

I sincerely doubt that. Those with the ability to hold power should respectively, and cautiously.

Well yes. That's a given.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Indeed. And those with the power, in my opinion, should wield it.

I sincerely doubt that. Those with the ability to hold power should respectively, and cautiously.

Machiaveli once said "If once must choose, It is better to be feared, than loved" or something to that effect.