Israel / Gaza / Hamas Mega-Thread

[Murkwood]

Hamas responded to Israel's accusations and arrests with rockets.

Oh right, so instead of stopping the rocket attacks with Ahron Dohm, presenting the recording and showing Hamas to be lying reactionary douches Israel instead bombs the shit out of Gaza and gave them what they wanted, a reason for the Palestinians to rally around them from the brink of unpopular upheaval. Brilliant.

Proof that Hamas was at the brink of upheaval?

[Gauthier]

Oh right, so instead of stopping the rocket attacks with Ahron Dohm, presenting the recording and showing Hamas to be lying reactionary douches Israel instead bombs the shit out of Gaza and gave them what they wanted, a reason for the Palestinians to rally around them from the brink of unpopular upheaval. Brilliant.

Proof that Hamas was at the brink of upheaval?

About to overthrown? Maybe not, but they were pretty damn unpopular before Israel went apeshit.

Poll: Hamas loses popularity among Palestinians

Deaths in Gaza, attacks on Israel, spell rising popularity for Hamas

[Washington Resistance Army]

Proof that Hamas was at the brink of upheaval?

About to overthrown? Maybe not, but they were pretty damn unpopular before Israel went apeshit.

Poll: Hamas loses popularity among Palestinians

Deaths in Gaza, attacks on Israel, spell rising popularity for Hamas

Only 38% supported rockets before all this? Damn, way to fuck it up Israel.

[Lydenburg]

About to overthrown? Maybe not, but they were pretty damn unpopular before Israel went apeshit.

Poll: Hamas loses popularity among Palestinians

Deaths in Gaza, attacks on Israel, spell rising popularity for Hamas

Only 38% supported rockets before all this? Damn, way to fuck it up Israel.

Wait.

Only 38%?

[Geilinor]

Only 38% supported rockets before all this? Damn, way to fuck it up Israel.

Wait.

Only 38%?

Half of what it was two years ago.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Only 38% supported rockets before all this? Damn, way to fuck it up Israel.

Wait.

Only 38%?

That's what I said it was a lot lower than I thought.

[Beta Test]

And so Hamas has won. They now have the support for a sustained insurgency, a new long-term campaign against Israel.

[Murkwood]

And so Hamas has won. They now have the support for a sustained insurgency, a new long-term campaign against Israel.

If anything, Israel is winning.

[Geilinor]

And so Hamas has won. They now have the support for a sustained insurgency, a new long-term campaign against Israel.

If anything, Israel is winning.

The support for Hamas in Palestine has increased from a low four months ago. They now have enough popularity to keep fighting against Israel.

[Washington Resistance Army]

If anything, Israel is winning.

The support for Hamas in Palestine has increased from a low four months ago. They now have enough popularity to keep fighting against Israel.

And now have a huge pool of recruits.

[Lydenburg]

If anything, Israel is winning.

The support for Hamas in Palestine has increased from a low four months ago. They now have enough popularity to keep fighting against Israel.

This is what we call tactical victory, strategic blunder.

[Alyakia]

Of course if they'd dug this up and publicized it instead of just bombing the shit out of Palestinians in Gaza willy-nilly Hamas wouldn't have rebounded from unpopularity.

Hamas responded to Israel's accusations and arrests with rockets.

noone on earth would tolerate their leaders being imprisoned and their houses being destroyed without a trial. they have a right to defend themselves.

am i doing it right

[Herskerstad]

Hamas members recently picked up 7 Palestinian men they suspected of having collaborated with the enemy, and shot them in front of an open crowd.

It's unsurprising to see the judicial system on the west bank is as through as ever. Lets hope the unity government will be outraged as such and demand actual justice. Here's guessing it will be A-ok for Fatah and a non-issue.

[MERIZoC]

Hamas members recently picked up 7 Palestinian men they suspected of having collaborated with the enemy, and shot them in front of an open crowd.

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It's unsurprising to see the judicial system on the west bank is as through as ever. Lets hope the unity government will be outraged as such and demand actual justice. Here's guessing it will be A-ok for Fatah and a non-issue.

You need to fact-check. Not the WB.

[Angleter]

If anything, Israel is winning.

The support for Hamas in Palestine has increased from a low four months ago. They now have enough popularity to keep fighting against Israel.

But it's worth noting that the low in their support, and the low in support for rocket attacks, came less than 18 months after the last of these wars. There's no reason to assume that Hamas have bought themselves long-term popularity or long-term support for their policy of rocket attacks with this war - indeed, the uptick in support for rocket attacks could well come from various non-existent successes being reported in Gaza's media, or from the prospect of something like the blockade being lifted happening (certainly Hamas are pushing hard for this in ceasefire negotiations - it's no stretch to expect that they're bigging this up back home). Moreover, if Israel had not responded, not only is it more likely from Israel's perspective that a rocket or tunnel attack could've proved successful, but Hamas would be able to claim the same gamut of non-existent successes while adding that this time, Israel are too weak/chicken to respond. And in any case, Hamas' more pressing long-term problems, of Egypt going from their great Muslim Brotherhood ally to their absolute sworn enemy (with blockade), and of Saudi and the UAE becoming less sympathetic towards them (and the wider Muslim Brotherhood), remain.

[Yenove]

don't know if it was mentioned or not - Khaled Mashaals latest interview to YahhoYahoo: https://news.yahoo.com/hamas-leader--do ... 25056.html

was full of lies, many lies. its really sad to see how the media sympesize with this kind of thing. They are much like Isis

as seen here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoplzGQZXMQ

[Herskerstad]

Hamas members recently picked up 7 Palestinian men they suspected of having collaborated with the enemy, and shot them in front of an open crowd.

(Image)

It's unsurprising to see the judicial system on the west bank is as through as ever. Lets hope the unity government will be outraged as such and demand actual justice. Here's guessing it will be A-ok for Fatah and a non-issue.

You need to fact-check. Not the WB.

You get to ask from sauce, but the source of the pictures comes from a general Norwegian news agency known as dagbladet which generally does not go too over the top. Certainly not the most Israel friendly piece, but I can give you this also.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nati ... story.html

[MERIZoC]

You need to fact-check. Not the WB.

You get to ask from sauce, but the source of the pictures comes from a general Norwegian news agency known as dagbladet which generally does not go too over the top. Certainly not the most Israel friendly piece, but I can give you this also.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nati ... story.html

….Not the West Bank.

[Tmutarakhan]

Never going to happen. No nation in the world would tolerate constant attacks from the neighbors.

That's why a lot of the populace keeps getting killed. It is their choice.

You have cause and effect exactly reversed. The terrorism is not caused by the occupation. The occupation was caused by the terrorism. I am old enough to remember before 1967, when Egypt had Gaza and Jordan had the West Bank, and do you know what was happening then? Rockets were launched into Israel, every day. They killed more back then, since there was no defense. Israel has worked mightily over the decades to get its casualties down to a low level. They want to keep it that way.

can you give us more details on these rockets? i mean, qassams only started in 2001, so there must have been a period where they stopped before firing them again.

Before 1967, they had the Golan Heights to fire down into Galilee from. The group that fired those rockets in the 60's was called Saiqa and was funded by (and basically a puppet of) the Syrian government. A couple years ago I read somewhere that Saiqa still exists, although there aren't many of them (Syria of course pulled the plug after they became useless).

(and i don't mean during the ceasefires either). and since they had a pathetically low kill count before iron dome even existed, you're obviously not talking about them either.

not entirely sure why every site i know of that talks about rocket attacks have covered up or failed to mention the ones you're talking about.

Their kill rate in the 60's was quite good. They were getting military hardware, not homemade stuff, and had straight shots from the high ground.

[Tmutarakhan]

No, not "all" Muslims are Nazis, just the ones who allied with Hitler, of which Hamas represents the institutional continuation.

If the Muslims allied with Hitler are responsible for the Holucast then at the same time Christian s are also responsible. I am not trying to justify the holucast in any way

They're responsible for those they killed personally. The Palestinians were killing Jews well before the Germans got into it.

[Costa Fierro]

An indefinite truce has been agreed. Now we wait to see whether or not the talks with Hamas come to some sort of final agreement.

[Russianon]

http://english.alahednews.com.lb/essayd ... _4OFHUaySM

[Murkwood]

An indefinite truce has been agreed. Now we wait to see whether or not the talks with Hamas come to some sort of final agreement.

It's hard to negotiate with someone who thinks you're subhuman Zionist scum and deserve to die.

[The New Lowlands]

An indefinite truce has been agreed. Now we wait to see whether or not the talks with Hamas come to some sort of final agreement.

It's hard to negotiate with someone who thinks you're subhuman Zionist scum and deserve to die.

It's hard to negotiate with someone who thinks you're subhuman Arab scum and deserve to die.

[Khalifa Arabia]

Wait.

Only 38%?

That's what I said it was a lot lower than I thought.

Hitler was elected chancellor with 43.91% of the popular vote, for comparison.