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Posted: **Thu Jul 30, 2015 3:25 pm**

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
DBJ wrote:No.

Yeah they are, its a vicious cycle of hatred and both sides keep fuelling one another and building it up, Hamas fires rockets from civilian areas, Israel responds by blowing the fuck out of those civilian areas, which just fuels more hate against Israel and more support from Hamas, and Hamas knows this, so that is why they continue to do it. And the Israeli's have an attitude of "we are not backing down and wont be intimidated" so they keep doing it as well.

It just keeps on going, so yeah both sides are heavily at fault.

If hamas would be the dominant military force you'd have a real genocide within a day. If you don't understand the moral difference between Israel trying to defend itself and it's citizens and hamas trying to destroy Israel there's not much to discuss.

Posted: **Thu Jul 30, 2015 3:25 pm**

Thervingia wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman

It was pretty obvious you'd just yell out strawman and be done with it. People keep saying that but they just never manage to show how Israel does just that.

You said:

Thervingia wrote:Yeah because all we do is go rounding up Palestinians and systematically exterminating them.

As if that was what I claimed.

Since I did not claim that, your post was a strawman.

Next.

Posted: **Thu Jul 30, 2015 3:25 pm**

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
DBJ wrote:Yes, if they are represented in a certain manner they are.

So, if Jewish people do something bad and you point it out, you're anti-semitic. Gotcha.
DBJ wrote:Such as claiming Israel is "clearly the aggressor".

Considering Palestine existed, then Israel was carved out of it without fucking asking Palestinians, yeah, I'd say its very existence is aggression.

The Palestinians were asked, there was a partition plan.

Posted: **Thu Jul 30, 2015 3:27 pm**

Aelex wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Israel's just done a much, much better job.

Don't tell me you've never seen the videos of Israeli snipers taking shots at Palestinian children playing on a rooftop.

And for the much better job, let's just say that what the palestinian lack in material, they remplace it by zeal and superior manpower.

Don't tell me you've never seen the video of palestinian kamikaze blowing themselve up in market place or bus when they're the most crowded while yelling "Allah Wakbah"?

fun fact: suicide bombing in the middle east werent popular until 1983. It wouldn't be until 1993 that Hamas (and later, even groups like the PFLP) would use suicide bombings as a weapon. Like, shit, everyone knew just how effective suicide bombing was by the first intifada but barely anyone did it.

Posted: **Thu Jul 30, 2015 3:27 pm**

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
DBJ wrote:Yes, if they are represented in a certain manner they are.

So, if Jewish people do something bad and you point it out, you're anti-semitic. Gotcha.
DBJ wrote:Such as claiming Israel is "clearly the aggressor".

Considering Palestine existed, then Israel was carved out of it without fucking asking Palestinians, yeah, I'd say its very existence is aggression.

Just facts obviously.

Also, you fail at history.

Posted: **Thu Jul 30, 2015 3:28 pm**

DBJ wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Yeah they are, its a vicious cycle of hatred and both sides keep fuelling one another and building it up, Hamas fires rockets from civilian areas, Israel responds by blowing the fuck out of those civilian areas, which just fuels more hate against Israel and more support from Hamas, and Hamas knows this, so that is why they continue to do it. And the Israeli's have an attitude of "we are not backing down and wont be intimidated" so they keep doing it as well.

It just keeps on going, so yeah both sides are heavily at fault.

If hamas would be the dominant military force you'd have a real genocide within a day. If you don't understand the moral difference between Israel trying to defend itself and it's citizens and hamas trying to destroy Israel there's not much to discuss.

This is not a small precise bombing to defend yourself, that's just dropping bombs wherever you want because fuck the people who live there.

Posted: **Thu Jul 30, 2015 3:29 pm**

Geilinor wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:So, if Jewish people do something bad and you point it out, you're anti-semitic. Gotcha.

Considering Palestine existed, then Israel was carved out of it without fucking asking Palestinians, yeah, I'd say its very existence is aggression.
The Palestinians were asked, there was a partition plan.

And they said no.

"The Jewish Agency, which was the recognized representative of the Jewish community, accepted the plan. The Arab League and Arab Higher Committee of Palestine rejected it, and indicated that they would reject any other plan of partition."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel#Zi ... sh_mandate

Posted: **Thu Jul 30, 2015 3:31 pm**

DBJ wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:So, if Jewish people do something bad and you point it out, you're anti-semitic. Gotcha.

Considering Palestine existed, then Israel was carved out of it without fucking asking Palestinians, yeah, I'd say its very existence is aggression.

Just facts obviously.

Also, you fail at history.

I do not speak German.

And gr8 argument bruh 11/10

At least the other people in this thread know how to debate.

Posted: **Thu Jul 30, 2015 3:37 pm**

DBJ wrote:If hamas would be the dominant military force you'd have a real genocide within a day. If you don't understand the moral difference between Israel trying to defend itself and it's citizens and hamas trying to destroy Israel there's not much to discuss.

Hahahaha, No.

Hamas may be terrible, but Israel is not trailing that far behind them in how terrible they are. Case in point, Israel restricting Palestinians from basic jobs, restricting them from using public transportation, in essence putting them in ghettos. Israel is as bad as their former ally, apartheid era South Africa, except South Africa is no longer under apartheid so that is unfair to South Africa.

Israel is only marginally better than Hamas.

Posted: **Thu Jul 30, 2015 3:38 pm**

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Geilinor wrote: The Palestinians were asked, there was a partition plan.

And they said no.

"The Jewish Agency, which was the recognized representative of the Jewish community, accepted the plan. The Arab League and Arab Higher Committee of Palestine rejected it, and indicated that they would reject any other plan of partition."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel#Zi ... sh_mandate

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947%E2%80%9348_Civil_War_in_Mandatory_Palestine
The Civil War in Palestine started the next day. It was too late to stop it by then and the Arab countries invaded the next year.

Posted: **Thu Jul 30, 2015 3:38 pm**

DBJ wrote:(Image)
Just facts obviously.

Also, you fail at history.

WOW, such amazing debate skills, posting a picture that has absolutely nothing to do with what we are talking about.

Posted: **Thu Jul 30, 2015 3:39 pm**

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
DBJ wrote:If hamas would be the dominant military force you'd have a real genocide within a day. If you don't understand the moral difference between Israel trying to defend itself and it's citizens and hamas trying to destroy Israel there's not much to discuss.

This is not a small precise bombing to defend yourself, that's just dropping bombs wherever you want because fuck the people who live there.

Yes, it isn't? I guess your an expert, getting all that information out of one pic. Unfortunately I'm not, I can't judge if it was precise or not.

Posted: **Thu Jul 30, 2015 3:43 pm**

Atomic Utopia wrote:
DBJ wrote:If hamas would be the dominant military force you'd have a real genocide within a day. If you don't understand the moral difference between Israel trying to defend itself and it's citizens and hamas trying to destroy Israel there's not much to discuss.

Hahahaha, No.

Hamas may be terrible, but Israel is not trailing that far behind them in how terrible they are. Case in point, Israel restricting Palestinians from basic jobs, restricting them from using public transportation, in essence putting them in ghettos. Israel is as bad as their former ally, apartheid era South Africa, except South Africa is no longer under apartheid so that is unfair to South Africa.

Israel is only marginally better than Hamas.

Israel is offering tons of jobs for palestinians. When it comes to public transportation, certain security measures must be taken. Not hard to understand. There's no discrimination.

Posted: **Thu Jul 30, 2015 3:44 pm**

DBJ wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
This is not a small precise bombing to defend yourself, that's just dropping bombs wherever you want because fuck the people who live there.

Yes, it isn't? I guess your an expert, getting all that information out of one pic. Unfortunately I'm not, I can't judge if it was precise or not.

Because clearly leveling an entire city bloc to destroy one building that MIGHT have some weapons is defending yourself :roll:

Lets change up this situation, lets say someone in your neighborhood shoots a shit powered firework at me. Am I then justified in coming over to your neighborhood and leveling it?

Posted: **Thu Jul 30, 2015 3:44 pm**

Atomic Utopia wrote:
DBJ wrote:(Image)
Just facts obviously.

Also, you fail at history.

WOW, such amazing debate skills, posting a picture that has absolutely nothing to do with what we are talking about.

Don't forget facts = anti-semitism.

Posted: **Thu Jul 30, 2015 3:44 pm**

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Geilinor wrote: The Palestinians were asked, there was a partition plan.

And they said no.

"The Jewish Agency, which was the recognized representative of the Jewish community, accepted the plan. The Arab League and Arab Higher Committee of Palestine rejected it, and indicated that they would reject any other plan of partition."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel#Zi ... sh_mandate

The mandate then descended into civil war, in large part due to a reticent Britain unwilling and/or unable to enforce law, between Jews and Arabs in the region.

The end of colonialism in the Middle East is not the same as aggression by Israel, and in fact one is quite easily able to make the argument that Israel established itself by way of a war of independence.

Posted: **Thu Jul 30, 2015 3:45 pm**

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:From what I can tell? Some Israeli soldiers have quite the penchant for shooting children.

Posted: **Thu Jul 30, 2015 3:46 pm**

DBJ wrote:Israel is offering tons of jobs for palestinians.

Source.

DBJ wrote:When it comes to public transportation, certain security measures must be taken. Not hard to understand. There's no discrimination.

That is literally discrimination. "Certain security measures must be taken"? Barring/segregating Palestinians from public transport in any way is discriminatory and disgusting.

The above comparison to apartheid South Africa is totally legitimate. The State of Israel appalls and disgusts me.

Posted: **Thu Jul 30, 2015 3:48 pm**

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
DBJ wrote:Israel is offering tons of jobs for palestinians.

Source.

You need a source? I'll bite. http://www.haaretz.com/business/.premium-1.645266

Posted: **Thu Jul 30, 2015 3:48 pm**

Cederland wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:From what I can tell? Some Israeli soldiers have quite the penchant for shooting children.

And? The disgusting use of children as weapons does not in any way justify the murder of said children.

Posted: **Thu Jul 30, 2015 3:48 pm**

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
DBJ wrote:Yes, it isn't? I guess your an expert, getting all that information out of one pic. Unfortunately I'm not, I can't judge if it was precise or not.

Because clearly leveling an entire city bloc to destroy one building that MIGHT have some weapons is defending yourself

Lets change up this situation, lets say someone in your neighborhood shoots a shit powered firework at me. Am I then justified in coming over to your neighborhood and leveling it?

You have access to Israeli intelligence? You know why they bombed that specific target? What information they had? Or are you're talking out of your ass?

Posted: **Thu Jul 30, 2015 3:48 pm**

Cederland wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:From what I can tell? Some Israeli soldiers have quite the penchant for shooting children.

Posted: **Thu Jul 30, 2015 3:49 pm**

Geilinor wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Source.

You need a source? I'll bite. http://www.haaretz.com/business/.premium-1.645266

That's fantastic, then.

Now, to the Jewish Jim Crow.

Posted: **Thu Jul 30, 2015 3:49 pm**

DBJ wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Because clearly leveling an entire city bloc to destroy one building that MIGHT have some weapons is defending yourself

Lets change up this situation, lets say someone in your neighborhood shoots a shit powered firework at me. Am I then justified in coming over to your neighborhood and leveling it?

You have access to Israeli intelligence? You know why they bombed that specific target? What information they had? Or are you're talking out of your ass?

That's the excuse they used when they bombed everything including hospitals and centers for the disabled now answer my fucking question.

Posted: **Thu Jul 30, 2015 3:50 pm**

DBJ wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Because clearly leveling an entire city bloc to destroy one building that MIGHT have some weapons is defending yourself

Lets change up this situation, lets say someone in your neighborhood shoots a shit powered firework at me. Am I then justified in coming over to your neighborhood and leveling it?

You have access to Israeli intelligence? You know why they bombed that specific target? What information they had? Or are you're talking out of your ass?

I find it extremely hard to believe that entire area was solely full of dangerous militants and arms.

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