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Postby Valica » Wed Apr 23, 2014 11:57 am

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show ... where-bill

Just a few minutes ago, Georgia Gov. Nathan Deal (R) signed sweeping new gun legislation into law, and while it’s technically the “Safe Carry Protection Act,” NBC News’ Gabe Gutierrez noted that many have labeled it the “Guns Everywhere Bill.”
One of the most permissive state gun laws in the nation, it will allow licensed owners to carry firearms into more public places than at any time in the past century, including bars and government buildings that don’t have security checkpoints.

The law also authorizes school districts to appoint staffers to carry firearms. It allows churches to “opt-in” if they want to allow weapons. Bars could already “opt-in” to allow weapons, but under the new law they must opt out if they want to bar weapons. Permit-holders who accidentally bring a gun to an airport security checkpoint will now be allowed to pick up their weapon and leave with no criminal penalty. (At Atlanta’s Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport, a record 111 guns were found at TSA screening areas last year.)

Americans for Responsible Solutions, the group co-founded by former Arizona congresswoman Gabby Giffords, has called the legislation “the most extreme gun bill in America.”
Despite the opposition of gun-safety reformers and Georgia law enforcement, the bill was passed with relative ease. The governor’s Democratic challenger, state Sen. Jason Carter, voted for it, too, though he made it slightly less extreme, helping eliminate some provisions, including a measure allowing guns on college campuses.

Regardless, the new state law, which takes effect in July, also expands on Georgia’s “stand your ground” policy by “protecting convicted felons who kill using illegal guns.”

Frank Rotondo, the executive director of Georgia Association of Chiefs of Police, told The Guardian, “One of the biggest concerns is it expands stand-your-ground. The way it’s written, a felon who is not permitted to have a weapon could use a weapon in defense of his or her home and not be charged for having the weapon.”

Oddly enough, a similar bill recently passed the Arizona legislature, though it met a different fate.

In a bit of a surprise, Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer (R) vetoed two pro-gun bills yesterday, including a proposal to expand guns in public buildings.
One bill would allowed gun owners to bring weapons into public buildings or events. A summary of the bill says that it would allow gun owners to keep their firearms unless the building had security guards, metal detectors and storage for the weapons. Many Arizona public buildings do not have the first two, according to local reports. […]

The other bill would have limited local governments from enacting gun control statutes that were stricter than state law and imposed a fine up to $5,000 on any local officials who administered such a statute, according to a summary. Those officials would also be at risk of losing their job.
For all of Brewer’s conservatism, she occasionally surprises me.


Here's a win for pro-gun citizens of the south.

How does NSG feel about this bill?

I disagree with two things:
1. Bringing guns into bars.
2. Allowing convicted violent offenders to legally use firearms.

Everything else is pretty solid.

I think it'll be a good step in the right direction.
Give it a year and show the anti-gun crowd that it doesn't greatly increase homicide rates.
We can see by looking at D.C. and Chicago that, even with strict laws, homicide rates are through the roof.
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Postby Arkinesia » Wed Apr 23, 2014 12:01 pm

I generally disagree with Georgia's gun laws, they're not nearly restrictive enough and this just exacerbates the problem.
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Postby Pilotto » Wed Apr 23, 2014 12:02 pm

Valica wrote:How does NSG feel about this bill?

I disagree with two things:
1. Bringing guns into bars.
2. Allowing convicted violent offenders to legally use firearms.

Everything else is pretty solid.

I think it'll be a good step in the right direction.
Give it a year and show the anti-gun crowd that it doesn't greatly increase homicide rates.
We can see by looking at D.C. and Chicago that, even with strict laws, homicide rates are through the roof.

I agree with the OP's opinion. Guns and car keys should be confiscated before you can get hammered.

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Postby Valica » Wed Apr 23, 2014 12:03 pm

Pilotto wrote:
Valica wrote:How does NSG feel about this bill?

I disagree with two things:
1. Bringing guns into bars.
2. Allowing convicted violent offenders to legally use firearms.

Everything else is pretty solid.

I think it'll be a good step in the right direction.
Give it a year and show the anti-gun crowd that it doesn't greatly increase homicide rates.
We can see by looking at D.C. and Chicago that, even with strict laws, homicide rates are through the roof.

I agree with the OP's opinion. Guns and car keys should be confiscated before you can get hammered.


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Postby Pilotto » Wed Apr 23, 2014 12:07 pm

Valica wrote:
Pilotto wrote:I agree with the OP's opinion. Guns and car keys should be confiscated before you can get hammered.

Pilotto, every time I see you, I'm agreeing with you.
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Postby Dyakovo » Wed Apr 23, 2014 12:13 pm

Valica wrote:http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/georgias-guns-everywhere-bill

Just a few minutes ago, Georgia Gov. Nathan Deal (R) signed sweeping new gun legislation into law, and while it’s technically the “Safe Carry Protection Act,” NBC News’ Gabe Gutierrez noted that many have labeled it the “Guns Everywhere Bill.”
One of the most permissive state gun laws in the nation, it will allow licensed owners to carry firearms into more public places than at any time in the past century, including bars and government buildings that don’t have security checkpoints.

The law also authorizes school districts to appoint staffers to carry firearms. It allows churches to “opt-in” if they want to allow weapons. Bars could already “opt-in” to allow weapons, but under the new law they must opt out if they want to bar weapons. Permit-holders who accidentally bring a gun to an airport security checkpoint will now be allowed to pick up their weapon and leave with no criminal penalty. (At Atlanta’s Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport, a record 111 guns were found at TSA screening areas last year.)

Americans for Responsible Solutions, the group co-founded by former Arizona congresswoman Gabby Giffords, has called the legislation “the most extreme gun bill in America.”
Despite the opposition of gun-safety reformers and Georgia law enforcement, the bill was passed with relative ease. The governor’s Democratic challenger, state Sen. Jason Carter, voted for it, too, though he made it slightly less extreme, helping eliminate some provisions, including a measure allowing guns on college campuses.

Regardless, the new state law, which takes effect in July, also expands on Georgia’s “stand your ground” policy by “protecting convicted felons who kill using illegal guns.”

Frank Rotondo, the executive director of Georgia Association of Chiefs of Police, told The Guardian, “One of the biggest concerns is it expands stand-your-ground. The way it’s written, a felon who is not permitted to have a weapon could use a weapon in defense of his or her home and not be charged for having the weapon.”

Oddly enough, a similar bill recently passed the Arizona legislature, though it met a different fate.

In a bit of a surprise, Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer (R) vetoed two pro-gun bills yesterday, including a proposal to expand guns in public buildings.
One bill would allowed gun owners to bring weapons into public buildings or events. A summary of the bill says that it would allow gun owners to keep their firearms unless the building had security guards, metal detectors and storage for the weapons. Many Arizona public buildings do not have the first two, according to local reports. […]

The other bill would have limited local governments from enacting gun control statutes that were stricter than state law and imposed a fine up to $5,000 on any local officials who administered such a statute, according to a summary. Those officials would also be at risk of losing their job.
For all of Brewer’s conservatism, she occasionally surprises me.


Here's a win for pro-gun citizens of the south.

How does NSG feel about this bill?

I disagree with two things:
1. Bringing guns into bars.
2. Allowing convicted violent offenders to legally use firearms.

Everything else is pretty solid.

I think it'll be a good step in the right direction.
Give it a year and show the anti-gun crowd that it doesn't greatly increase homicide rates.
We can see by looking at D.C. and Chicago that, even with strict laws, homicide rates are through the roof.

*awaits inevitable increase in gun violence*
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Postby The Land of Heat and Clock Work » Wed Apr 23, 2014 12:14 pm

On the topic of gun laws, my opinions can be summed up eerily well by a single article: http://www.theonion.com/articles/gorilla-sales-skyrocket-after-latest-gorilla-attac,30860/


On this piece of legislation in particular, it actually makes me kinda sick.

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Postby Distruzio » Wed Apr 23, 2014 12:16 pm

Valica wrote:http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/georgias-guns-everywhere-bill

Just a few minutes ago, Georgia Gov. Nathan Deal (R) signed sweeping new gun legislation into law, and while it’s technically the “Safe Carry Protection Act,” NBC News’ Gabe Gutierrez noted that many have labeled it the “Guns Everywhere Bill.”
One of the most permissive state gun laws in the nation, it will allow licensed owners to carry firearms into more public places than at any time in the past century, including bars and government buildings that don’t have security checkpoints.

The law also authorizes school districts to appoint staffers to carry firearms. It allows churches to “opt-in” if they want to allow weapons. Bars could already “opt-in” to allow weapons, but under the new law they must opt out if they want to bar weapons. Permit-holders who accidentally bring a gun to an airport security checkpoint will now be allowed to pick up their weapon and leave with no criminal penalty. (At Atlanta’s Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport, a record 111 guns were found at TSA screening areas last year.)

Americans for Responsible Solutions, the group co-founded by former Arizona congresswoman Gabby Giffords, has called the legislation “the most extreme gun bill in America.”
Despite the opposition of gun-safety reformers and Georgia law enforcement, the bill was passed with relative ease. The governor’s Democratic challenger, state Sen. Jason Carter, voted for it, too, though he made it slightly less extreme, helping eliminate some provisions, including a measure allowing guns on college campuses.

Regardless, the new state law, which takes effect in July, also expands on Georgia’s “stand your ground” policy by “protecting convicted felons who kill using illegal guns.”

Frank Rotondo, the executive director of Georgia Association of Chiefs of Police, told The Guardian, “One of the biggest concerns is it expands stand-your-ground. The way it’s written, a felon who is not permitted to have a weapon could use a weapon in defense of his or her home and not be charged for having the weapon.”

Oddly enough, a similar bill recently passed the Arizona legislature, though it met a different fate.

In a bit of a surprise, Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer (R) vetoed two pro-gun bills yesterday, including a proposal to expand guns in public buildings.
One bill would allowed gun owners to bring weapons into public buildings or events. A summary of the bill says that it would allow gun owners to keep their firearms unless the building had security guards, metal detectors and storage for the weapons. Many Arizona public buildings do not have the first two, according to local reports. […]

The other bill would have limited local governments from enacting gun control statutes that were stricter than state law and imposed a fine up to $5,000 on any local officials who administered such a statute, according to a summary. Those officials would also be at risk of losing their job.
For all of Brewer’s conservatism, she occasionally surprises me.


Here's a win for pro-gun citizens of the south.

How does NSG feel about this bill?

I disagree with two things:
1. Bringing guns into bars.
2. Allowing convicted violent offenders to legally use firearms.

Everything else is pretty solid.

I think it'll be a good step in the right direction.
Give it a year and show the anti-gun crowd that it doesn't greatly increase homicide rates.
We can see by looking at D.C. and Chicago that, even with strict laws, homicide rates are through the roof.


I favor it, obviously.
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Postby MERIZoC » Wed Apr 23, 2014 12:19 pm

The Land of Heat and Clock work wrote:On the topic of gun laws, my opinions can be summed up eerily well by a single article: http://www.theonion.com/articles/gorilla-sales-skyrocket-after-latest-gorilla-attac,30860/


On this piece of legislation in particular, it actually makes me kinda sick.

:rofl: That is a fucking hilarious Onion article. On topic though, I agree with you. Allowing violent offenders to own and use firearms? Fucking stupid.

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Merizoc wrote:
The Land of Heat and Clock work wrote:On the topic of gun laws, my opinions can be summed up eerily well by a single article: http://www.theonion.com/articles/gorilla-sales-skyrocket-after-latest-gorilla-attac,30860/


On this piece of legislation in particular, it actually makes me kinda sick.

:rofl: That is a fucking hilarious Onion article. On topic though, I agree with you. Allowing violent offenders to own and use firearms? Fucking stupid.

Great; not only do people kill people, but now people with the right paper work can kill people "legally."
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Postby Aravea » Wed Apr 23, 2014 12:40 pm

Arkinesia wrote:I generally disagree with Georgia's gun laws, they're not nearly restrictive enough and this just exacerbates the problem.


It's worked so far. Except you know the violent crminals being allowed to carry guns.
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Postby New Aerios » Wed Apr 23, 2014 12:43 pm

Unidox wrote:
Merizoc wrote: :rofl: That is a fucking hilarious Onion article. On topic though, I agree with you. Allowing violent offenders to own and use firearms? Fucking stupid.

Great; not only do people kill people, but now people with the right paper work can kill people "legally."


No, killing people hasn't suddenly become legal, unless that "paper work" says you're a cop or a soldier...
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Dyakovo wrote:
Valica wrote:http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/georgias-guns-everywhere-bill

Just a few minutes ago, Georgia Gov. Nathan Deal (R) signed sweeping new gun legislation into law, and while it’s technically the “Safe Carry Protection Act,” NBC News’ Gabe Gutierrez noted that many have labeled it the “Guns Everywhere Bill.”
One of the most permissive state gun laws in the nation, it will allow licensed owners to carry firearms into more public places than at any time in the past century, including bars and government buildings that don’t have security checkpoints.

The law also authorizes school districts to appoint staffers to carry firearms. It allows churches to “opt-in” if they want to allow weapons. Bars could already “opt-in” to allow weapons, but under the new law they must opt out if they want to bar weapons. Permit-holders who accidentally bring a gun to an airport security checkpoint will now be allowed to pick up their weapon and leave with no criminal penalty. (At Atlanta’s Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport, a record 111 guns were found at TSA screening areas last year.)

Americans for Responsible Solutions, the group co-founded by former Arizona congresswoman Gabby Giffords, has called the legislation “the most extreme gun bill in America.”
Despite the opposition of gun-safety reformers and Georgia law enforcement, the bill was passed with relative ease. The governor’s Democratic challenger, state Sen. Jason Carter, voted for it, too, though he made it slightly less extreme, helping eliminate some provisions, including a measure allowing guns on college campuses.

Regardless, the new state law, which takes effect in July, also expands on Georgia’s “stand your ground” policy by “protecting convicted felons who kill using illegal guns.”

Frank Rotondo, the executive director of Georgia Association of Chiefs of Police, told The Guardian, “One of the biggest concerns is it expands stand-your-ground. The way it’s written, a felon who is not permitted to have a weapon could use a weapon in defense of his or her home and not be charged for having the weapon.”

Oddly enough, a similar bill recently passed the Arizona legislature, though it met a different fate.

In a bit of a surprise, Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer (R) vetoed two pro-gun bills yesterday, including a proposal to expand guns in public buildings.
One bill would allowed gun owners to bring weapons into public buildings or events. A summary of the bill says that it would allow gun owners to keep their firearms unless the building had security guards, metal detectors and storage for the weapons. Many Arizona public buildings do not have the first two, according to local reports. […]

The other bill would have limited local governments from enacting gun control statutes that were stricter than state law and imposed a fine up to $5,000 on any local officials who administered such a statute, according to a summary. Those officials would also be at risk of losing their job.
For all of Brewer’s conservatism, she occasionally surprises me.


Here's a win for pro-gun citizens of the south.

How does NSG feel about this bill?

I disagree with two things:
1. Bringing guns into bars.
2. Allowing convicted violent offenders to legally use firearms.

Everything else is pretty solid.

I think it'll be a good step in the right direction.
Give it a year and show the anti-gun crowd that it doesn't greatly increase homicide rates.
We can see by looking at D.C. and Chicago that, even with strict laws, homicide rates are through the roof.

*awaits inevitable increase in gun violence*


Not gonna happen.
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Postby Esternial » Wed Apr 23, 2014 12:47 pm

They should stick to the adage "less is more"

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Postby Multifarity » Wed Apr 23, 2014 12:47 pm

You can't really blame them, they need an armed population ready to repel another invasion from Russia.

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Postby Torsiedelle » Wed Apr 23, 2014 12:49 pm

Aravea wrote:*awaits inevitable increase in gun violence*


Not gonna happen.[/quote]

I don't see a lot of gun violence here in Georgia. Then again, I live in south Georgia, where people are born with a gun in their hand, and people know how to handle them. I don't know about North Georgia.

Honestly, I like this bill, with the exception of the whole criminals-can-own-guns thing, but that's my opinion.
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Postby Gauthier » Wed Apr 23, 2014 12:50 pm

A law passed on the movie logic presumption that there won't be any violent mass shootings because everyone else will gun the shooter down.

The Florida theater shooting will seem a freak happenstance in comparison to allowing firearms in bars and sporting venues.
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Postby Hornesia » Wed Apr 23, 2014 12:51 pm

As a resident of Georgia, the only part of this bill I disagree with is point 2 the OP brought up.
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Postby Unidox » Wed Apr 23, 2014 12:51 pm

Multifarity wrote:You can't really blame them, they need an armed population ready to repel another invasion from Russia.

Wait... Have I misunderstood?

At this point I think they are trying to deter Florida.
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Postby Aravea » Wed Apr 23, 2014 12:51 pm

Torsiedelle wrote:
Aravea wrote:*awaits inevitable increase in gun violence*


Not gonna happen.


I don't see a lot of gun violence here in Georgia. Then again, I live in south Georgia, where people are born with a gun in their hand, and people know how to handle them. I don't know about North Georgia.

Honestly, I like this bill, with the exception of the whole criminals-can-own-guns thing, but that's my opinion.[/quote]

Contrary to the opinions of NSG Georgia is not going to see an increase in gun violence.
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Postby Hornesia » Wed Apr 23, 2014 12:53 pm

Aravea wrote:
Torsiedelle wrote:
Not gonna happen.


I don't see a lot of gun violence here in Georgia. Then again, I live in south Georgia, where people are born with a gun in their hand, and people know how to handle them. I don't know about North Georgia.

Honestly, I like this bill, with the exception of the whole criminals-can-own-guns thing, but that's my opinion.


Contrary to the opinions of NSG Georgia is not going to see an increase in gun violence.[/quote]

Honestly, the south side of Atlanta is the only real focal point up here.
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Postby Aravea » Wed Apr 23, 2014 12:54 pm

Hornesia wrote:
Aravea wrote:
I don't see a lot of gun violence here in Georgia. Then again, I live in south Georgia, where people are born with a gun in their hand, and people know how to handle them. I don't know about North Georgia.

Honestly, I like this bill, with the exception of the whole criminals-can-own-guns thing, but that's my opinion.


Contrary to the opinions of NSG Georgia is not going to see an increase in gun violence.

Honestly, the south side of Atlanta is the only real focal point up here.[/quote]

Yeah but it still won't be near as bad as DC or Chicago.
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Postby Pope Joan » Wed Apr 23, 2014 12:57 pm

Valica wrote:http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/georgias-guns-everywhere-bill

Just a few minutes ago, Georgia Gov. Nathan Deal (R) signed sweeping new gun legislation into law, and while it’s technically the “Safe Carry Protection Act,” NBC News’ Gabe Gutierrez noted that many have labeled it the “Guns Everywhere Bill.”
One of the most permissive state gun laws in the nation, it will allow licensed owners to carry firearms into more public places than at any time in the past century, including bars and government buildings that don’t have security checkpoints.

The law also authorizes school districts to appoint staffers to carry firearms. It allows churches to “opt-in” if they want to allow weapons. Bars could already “opt-in” to allow weapons, but under the new law they must opt out if they want to bar weapons. Permit-holders who accidentally bring a gun to an airport security checkpoint will now be allowed to pick up their weapon and leave with no criminal penalty. (At Atlanta’s Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport, a record 111 guns were found at TSA screening areas last year.)

Americans for Responsible Solutions, the group co-founded by former Arizona congresswoman Gabby Giffords, has called the legislation “the most extreme gun bill in America.”
Despite the opposition of gun-safety reformers and Georgia law enforcement, the bill was passed with relative ease. The governor’s Democratic challenger, state Sen. Jason Carter, voted for it, too, though he made it slightly less extreme, helping eliminate some provisions, including a measure allowing guns on college campuses.

Regardless, the new state law, which takes effect in July, also expands on Georgia’s “stand your ground” policy by “protecting convicted felons who kill using illegal guns.”

Frank Rotondo, the executive director of Georgia Association of Chiefs of Police, told The Guardian, “One of the biggest concerns is it expands stand-your-ground. The way it’s written, a felon who is not permitted to have a weapon could use a weapon in defense of his or her home and not be charged for having the weapon.”

Oddly enough, a similar bill recently passed the Arizona legislature, though it met a different fate.

In a bit of a surprise, Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer (R) vetoed two pro-gun bills yesterday, including a proposal to expand guns in public buildings.
One bill would allowed gun owners to bring weapons into public buildings or events. A summary of the bill says that it would allow gun owners to keep their firearms unless the building had security guards, metal detectors and storage for the weapons. Many Arizona public buildings do not have the first two, according to local reports. […]

The other bill would have limited local governments from enacting gun control statutes that were stricter than state law and imposed a fine up to $5,000 on any local officials who administered such a statute, according to a summary. Those officials would also be at risk of losing their job.
For all of Brewer’s conservatism, she occasionally surprises me.


Here's a win for pro-gun citizens of the south.

How does NSG feel about this bill?

I disagree with two things:
1. Bringing guns into bars.
2. Allowing convicted violent offenders to legally use firearms.

Everything else is pretty solid.

I think it'll be a good step in the right direction.
Give it a year and show the anti-gun crowd that it doesn't greatly increase homicide rates.
We can see by looking at D.C. and Chicago that, even with strict laws, homicide rates are through the roof.


I agree with you. No guns in bars, please. We do background checks in order to make sure those carrying guns are socially responsible, and then we let them deliberately place themselves in a condition of irresponsibility while armed?
And I like your qualification of "violent" offenders, since I know many fine ex-felons who have never once lifted a finger in violence.
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Postby Dyakovo » Wed Apr 23, 2014 1:03 pm

Aravea wrote:
Torsiedelle wrote:
Not gonna happen.


I don't see a lot of gun violence here in Georgia. Then again, I live in south Georgia, where people are born with a gun in their hand, and people know how to handle them. I don't know about North Georgia.

Honestly, I like this bill, with the exception of the whole criminals-can-own-guns thing, but that's my opinion.


Contrary to the opinions of NSG Georgia is not going to see an increase in gun violence.[/quote]
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Postby Gauthier » Wed Apr 23, 2014 1:04 pm

Valica wrote:We can see by looking at D.C. and Chicago that, even with strict laws, homicide rates are through the roof.


D.C. and Chicago are islands of gun control surrounded by oceans of gunapaloozas. Gun control works inside them, but not when offenders can simply buy a gun legally outside of them and bring a few in.
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