No longer the richest

[Imperial City-States]

Treason in the same context that the French Revolution was terrorism.

No pretty sure the French Revolution didn't use fear to get their way, though toppling the monarchy was also treason.

The French Revolution was MUCH more violent than the American one.

[Ixzara]

The Spawn? I doubt it. Hitler was much too intelligent when compared to Bush to make that connection.

George Bush was actually a rather smart gentleman. Disagree with him or not, he was rather smart.

http://keithhennessey.com/2013/04/24/smarter/

Notice that I said 'compared to Bush'. I'm not referencing his overall intelligence, I'm referring to the fact that Hitler turned the Weimar Republic into arguably one of the most powerful nations in the world at that time. I understand Bush had (A Ph. D, wasnt it?) from Yale, but as a leader, Hitler was a much more effective one. Despite all of the asinine things that happened in Germany under his rule.

[Canaore]

Treason in the same context that the French Revolution was terrorism.

No pretty sure the French Revolution didn't use fear to get their way, though toppling the monarchy was also treason.

What? How dare you say you're well-versed on history? Please, open a history book. There was a period of the French Revolution that was literally called the Reign of Terror.

[Ucropi]

No pretty sure the French Revolution didn't use fear to get their way, though toppling the monarchy was also treason.

What? How dare you say you're well-versed on history? Please, open a history book. There was a period of the French Revolution that was literally called the Reign of Terror.

Pretty sure you're either a troll or stupid

[Seaxeland]

I'm guessing your one of those Europeans that thinks they know everything about America when they don't know shit about it? You know, at least we don't claim to know everything about Europe when we know nothing about it.

No I'm a Canadian and up until 1776 we had a shared history. I studied history in school where the American history book was disgustingly twice the size of the world history book.

So while I could point out that in 1776 George Washington and the rest of your founding fathers committed treason by going against Britain, and that America didn't actually become a country until 1783, I doubt you would even understand or have even learned about that in school.

So now please how was America founded on ingenuity and doing the impossible?

Treason? What a Tory thing to say. It wasn't "treason", we were self-governing and pretty much autonomous. The King should've known that independence would've come eventually. And the founding of our nation is credited to the year 1776 as that is when the Declaration of Independence was written, signed, and ratified. The Revolution began the year prior, and actual independence didn't occur until 1783. The Declaration of Independence was the document that was to make foreign support legitimate. Of course, France didn't enter until 1778, Spain in 1779, and the Netherlands until 1780, but the Declaration was to open a window for possible support.

We did learn about it in school, you clearly underestimate the American Education System.

In case you were asleep during history class during the Post-Civil War years, the US became a haven for great thinkers and the proper funding for advanced technological research. A lot of the things people use today, yet take for granted of, was either invented by an American, or in America with American funding. America also revolutionized society during the late 1800's and early 1900's, shaping the way modern cities operate and are built. Two and less than a half centuries. That's how long we've been around. A look at all we've done, all we've accomplished. We've done more than most nations have done in the entire history of their existence, independent or not.

[Canaore]

What? How dare you say you're well-versed on history? Please, open a history book. There was a period of the French Revolution that was literally called the Reign of Terror.

Pretty sure you're either a troll or stupid

And now you're showing us how mature you are. Please, continue.

[The Archregimancy]

What? How dare you say you're well-versed on history? Please, open a history book. There was a period of the French Revolution that was literally called the Reign of Terror.

Pretty sure you're either a troll or stupid

*** Warned for trollnaming/flamebaiting. ***

Someone with your record should know better.

[Ucropi]

No pretty sure the French Revolution didn't use fear to get their way, though toppling the monarchy was also treason.

The French Revolution was MUCH more violent than the American one.

Violence =/= using fear.

You would never call the American military a terrorist organization because of the sheer masses they have killed yet the Taliban has killed MUCH less and is a terrorist organization.

[Rio Cana]

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/23/upshot/the-american-middle-class-is-no-longer-the-worlds-richest.html

According to this, fairly true to the url, the American middle class is no longer the world's richest. Or is this not fully looked into? What do you think about this, NSG?
Personally, I think this very surprising to me, seeing as where I used to live, the name America had a magical meaning to those who lives there, and now, the dream looks like its starting to fade.

America still has a magical meaning. Of course. its not what you think. This short video will explain it.
(Estados Unidos = US)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSqWDa0Nk6A

[Farnhamia]

Pretty sure you're either a troll or stupid

And now you're showing us how mature you are. Please, continue.

Baiting people is not exactly mature, either. Knock it off.

[Bythyrona]

Treason in the same context that the French Revolution was terrorism.

No pretty sure the French Revolution didn't use fear to get their way, though toppling the monarchy was also treason.

So the French Resistance was a collective equivalent to the IRA, then, correct? That's what you're fucking telling me?

[Imperial City-States]

Terrorist and Freedom fighter are all a matter of prespective.

[Ucropi]

Terrorist and Freedom fighter are all a matter of prespective.

Mainly because Freedom fighters have usually been victorious. Nelson Mandela was once considered a terrorist for heading the group MK, now he is known as one of the greatest freedom fighters of out time.

[Valica]

Terrorist and Freedom fighter are all a matter of prespective.

Mainly because Freedom fighters have usually been victorious. Nelson Mandela was once considered a terrorist for heading the group MK, now he is known as one of the greatest freedom fighters of out time.

Didn't his people lead bombing campaigns?

[Ixzara]

Terrorist and Freedom fighter are all a matter of prespective.

I think it depends. Propaganda has a way of putting a certain spin on things to fit peoples/ governments agendas.

[Ucropi]

Mainly because Freedom fighters have usually been victorious. Nelson Mandela was once considered a terrorist for heading the group MK, now he is known as one of the greatest freedom fighters of out time.

Didn't his people lead bombing campaigns?

Yeah they purposely attacked empty government building and the one time they had large casualties was when a bomb detonated prematurely killing a group of MK soldiers with it.

[Magna Libero]

I'd be with you there, and am on principal, but you end up creating a legal system of inequities. I would argue that developing industries (such as clean energy) and probably farms still need subsidies. Where do you draw the line, though, and doesn't that create a complicated legal situation?

I have no qualms with farm subsidies as those drive prices down for the end consumer. I agree with your assessments. Necessary subsidies I have no qualms with such as clean or alternative energies. It's mainly corporate subsidies for highly-successful corporations raking in huge profits that I am referring to. Such as the big oil subsidies, walmart, car companies, etc.

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Farm subsidies are needlessly inefficient and lead to an overproduction of food. In other words food will go to waste. Basic economics.

[Ixzara]

I have no qualms with farm subsidies as those drive prices down for the end consumer. I agree with your assessments. Necessary subsidies I have no qualms with such as clean or alternative energies. It's mainly corporate subsidies for highly-successful corporations raking in huge profits that I am referring to. Such as the big oil subsidies, walmart, car companies, etc.

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Farm subsidies are needlessly inefficient and lead to an overproduction of food. In other words food will go to waste. Basic economics.

I'd rather not get into the whole "Which Farm subsidies?" debate. Because then we have to go in and look at it on a case by case basis, which is what the gov't should be doing, anyway.

[Dejanic]

This is probably because America counts everyone who isn't a dirt poor welfare recipient, or a wealthy billionaire, as "middle class", where as other nations have much more specific descriptions of the middle class.

[Farnhamia]

This is probably because America counts everyone who isn't a dirt poor welfare recipient, or a wealthy billionaire, as "middle class", where as other nations have much more specific descriptions of the middle class.

Not really, no. That's quite a sweeping generalization. There are nuances to the definition.

[Ixzara]

This is probably because America counts everyone who isn't a dirt poor welfare recipient, or a wealthy billionaire, as "middle class", where as other nations have much more specific descriptions of the middle class.

Not really, no. That's quite a sweeping generalization. There are nuances to the definition.

And even those nuances have nuances.

[Rio Cana]

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Farm subsidies are needlessly inefficient and lead to an overproduction of food. In other words food will go to waste. Basic economics.

I'd rather not get into the whole "Which Farm subsidies?" debate. Because then we have to go in and look at it on a case by case basis, which is what the gov't should be doing, anyway.

Subsidies for large food conglomerates is one thing and subsidies for small farmers is another thing. They had on the news the other day that US farms were shrinking. And that the US was in trouble of having less farms to produce food unless they got more people to be farmers. Those still farming in the US are or are entering the senior age bracket. New people are needed. Seems there is a US program to get people interested in farming. Also, some schools on the urging of the government are offering more agriculture classes. One problem that new farmers have is the expense of buying land. Children of farmer do not really have that problem since they get the family farm. Also found out that other developed nations have this problem. For example, the UK. needs 60000 new farmers to maintain there food production at a safe level.

[Ostroeuropa]

I bet some people are espousing neoliberalism in this thread.
This is the result of in-group stupidity.

Tsarist Russia saw the oncoming problems it had. So their rulers said
"Do what we're doing now, but HARDER."
And it didn't work.
The response is the same as every in-group facing a calamity in history, which is to be completely fucking oblivious that it was YOUR LEADERSHIP that led us to this catastrophe, and just think "We have been insufficiently ourselves. Do the same shit, but MORE SO." which is like seeing an iceberg oncoming to the right that you've steered us into and thinking we need to turn MORE into it. (Yeh, i'm aware that with literal icebergs this is actually a good idea. it's a metaphor, it can't be perfect.)


The neo-liberal clusterfuck of management that has led the US and UK since the 80's has led us into a long and consistent decline thanks to their poor as fuck understanding of history, a complete fabrication of it in many cases with absurd nonsense about how their specific brand of retard-capitalism has led to greatness, when it's a very new and very stupid way of doing it.
Low taxes, low welfare, low regulation. WHY ISNT IT WORKIN OMG!!!!
DO IT HARDER!

FUUUUUUUCK!!
HAAARDER!!!!
IT ISN'T WORKING!!! HARDER!!!
FUUUUUUUUU-
*Crash*

You idiots have collapsed the US and the Uk.
Congratulations.

It'll only get worse the longer the politicians and their endlessly shitfilled opinions keep being validated by people who actually believe this shit.

Do us all a favor.
If you supported de-regulation of the banking industry before the crash, never vote again.
Just fuck off. If you are determined to believe in a fantasy land version of economics, then just fuck off and live in a fantasy land version of democracy too.
Write your vote on a piece of paper and flush it down the toilet.

Jesus. I'm getting sick of these people and their utter detatchment from reality. It's no fun being in the car where the driver thinks we're still on the motorway when we're 5 miles into the woods and you're screaming at him to fucking turn back.

[Colbert Super PAC]

Facts are commie propaganda! America is still the Greatest Nation on Earth!!!!

USA! USA! USA!

[Hostenia]

Facts are commie propaganda! America is still the Greatest Nation on Earth!!!!

USA! USA! USA!