by Enfaru » Fri Apr 18, 2014 1:01 pm
by The Liberated Territories » Fri Apr 18, 2014 1:04 pm
Enfaru wrote:Discuss?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-echochambers-27074746
A recent study has indicated that the Land of the Free hasn't been, Free or Democratic for quite some time. This isn't particularly news to me either. While I thought that America was swayed by corporate greed and I didn't think it was swayed quite so much. It was my opinion that fundamentally America was democratic and would follow the will of the electorate but this study is clear, only 18% of the time do the people on lower levels of income get the policies they are in favour of enacted.
One of that 18% would probably be the Healthcare reform package I would suspect, but then I've seen a lot of media with republicans up in arms about it...but then...isn't that the problem? Who do the republicans represent?
Do you think America is democratic? What about after reading the article?
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by America Libertaria » Fri Apr 18, 2014 3:55 pm
by Destiny Island » Fri Apr 18, 2014 3:56 pm
by Trelso » Fri Apr 18, 2014 4:02 pm
by Marcurix » Fri Apr 18, 2014 4:03 pm
America Libertaria wrote:Does America have free and open elections? Yes. Are our elections burdened with heavy fraud? No. Do politicians put out fake election results? No. America is free and democratic by definition. Sadly, there's too much money in politics and we should have a constitutional limits on donations and a ban on gifts and contributions from corporations. However, this doesn't change the fact that we are free and democratic.
by Destiny Island » Fri Apr 18, 2014 4:06 pm
Marcurix wrote:America Libertaria wrote:Does America have free and open elections? Yes. Are our elections burdened with heavy fraud? No. Do politicians put out fake election results? No. America is free and democratic by definition. Sadly, there's too much money in politics and we should have a constitutional limits on donations and a ban on gifts and contributions from corporations. However, this doesn't change the fact that we are free and democratic.
Well actually some of those things would be in dispute.
Can one claim free and open elections when there is extensive Gerrymandering in the system? Can one claim its a free and open system when the voting process heavily favours the two current parties?
As the link already provided, it was the "duh" report.
by Margno » Fri Apr 18, 2014 4:09 pm
by Ikania » Fri Apr 18, 2014 4:29 pm
by Baader-Meinhof Gruppe » Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:21 pm
Destiny Island wrote:Marcurix wrote:
Well actually some of those things would be in dispute.
Can one claim free and open elections when there is extensive Gerrymandering in the system? Can one claim its a free and open system when the voting process heavily favours the two current parties?
As the link already provided, it was the "duh" report.
Didn't Bush get elected while Gore won the popular vote? If crap like this happens there is something wrong with the US.
by Cyyro » Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:25 pm
Ikania wrote:It is democratic but it can seem unfairly democratic at times. For example there's no requirements for impartial juries in many states, leading to a lot of cases of bias. Along with the terrible electoral system, which put the worst President into Office when he lost a clear majority. A reform would definitely be nice, but that's not quite at the top of America's priority list, which is mainly;
1. Get oil.
2. Stop ebul commie librul muslim turrists
3.Pay off debtStop the President from doing anything good.
4. Gib free guns 4 all de peoplez.
by Lolloh » Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:28 pm
by Cyyro » Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:03 pm
Lolloh wrote:I think the US is generally free, but it's probably going to be like Jim Crow South soon, except with poor being squashed.
My reasons? Well, there's voter ID laws, whose only change is to make it harder for poor people to vote, as well as continuing racism and the Supreme Court's decision that corruption is only a bribe. Trying to arrest and probably sentence to life Edward Snowden for doing something I would consider patriotic isn't helping.
I give us until maybe 2100 until poverty becomes so crushing that we get a Bolshevik-style revolution, maybe as early as 2050 if things are bad, though you can bet on more wars and reforms as distractions.
by Thafoo » Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:07 pm
Cyyro wrote:Ikania wrote:It is democratic but it can seem unfairly democratic at times. For example there's no requirements for impartial juries in many states, leading to a lot of cases of bias. Along with the terrible electoral system, which put the worst President into Office when he lost a clear majority. A reform would definitely be nice, but that's not quite at the top of America's priority list, which is mainly;
1. Get oil.
2. Stop ebul commie librul muslim turrists
3.Pay off debtStop the President from doing anything good.
4. Gib free guns 4 all de peoplez.
Aren't leftist supposed to be tolerant? You don't seem to be a very tolerant person..judging by your signature.
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by Starkmoor » Sat Apr 19, 2014 12:02 am
Agreed 100%.BBC News Article wrote:Americans do enjoy many features central to democratic governance, such as regular elections, freedom of speech and association and a widespread (if still contested) franchise. But we believe that if policymaking is dominated by powerful business organisations and a small number of affluent Americans, then America's claims to being a democratic society are seriously threatened.
by Marcurix » Sat Apr 19, 2014 12:37 am
by Shilya » Sat Apr 19, 2014 1:15 am
“Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.”
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