Global Climate Change to render 50% of Earth Uninhabitable

[Scomagia]

I'm aware your not serious, I'm telling you I don't want to fuck around in a stupid discussion over you joking around over it, just not into doing that right now.



And thats extremely silly to think, we simply won't know how aliens would act if we are simply neutral and passive, but if we are hostile there is a good chance that they will fight.

Sorry, when ridiculous arguments like Buddha robot monk's show up I tend to get carried away. I always start off sounding sane but then I sober up and things go down hill fast.

There are only two events I can think of in human history that can compare to first contact with ETs. One is the colonizations of the Americas, the other the extinction of Neanderthals. Neither one ended well for the less technological or biologically advanced society.

Precisely. There's no reason to believe ETI's would be any different.

[Shnercropolis]

Another reason to convert our entire power grid to nuclear and start terraforming mars. And if it does get that bad, we could always nuke Russia and trigger a minor nuclear winter.

I see nothing wrong with this plan. Maybe we could nuke Africa instead though, and eliminate some poverty while we're at it.

[Shnercropolis]

Yeah...hypocritical statement alert....

IIRC anyways, I am still a bit drowsy but whatever...



I hope you are kidding.

Wait, are you implying Independence Day wasn't a documentary?

http://drmcninja.com/archives/comic/20p43/

[Alterrum]

Thats why its a good idea to fund the people who know what they are doing, so they can work on making greener alternatives that are cheap, effective and just easy to make or whatever.

We've had the very thing you're looking for for 60 years. Cheap, unlimited, safe nuclear power.

Nuclear power in its current form isn't actually unlimited. The amount of uranium that is useful to dig up is estimated to last for the next 50-100 years. Currently there's research into using other heavy elements as nuclear fuel, like thorium for example, which is a lot more abundant than uranium. Technically we could have unlimited power if they manage to make fission with thorium energy-efficient. However, an even better alternative would be fusion-based power, which yields more energy than fission processes and is also safer and produces almost no waste.

Anyway, we're not at the point yet where we have an energy source that could provide us with essentially unlimited power, except for all the 'green' power sources, excluding nuclear power.

[Risottia]

Poor Spain.

Relocate Spaniards to Siberia. Easy.

[AiliailiA]

My plan is to make more land, by removing some of the water from the ocean. About a quarter of it.

Advantages:

1. Lots of lovely fertile new land (which was continental shelf).
2. Earth's albedo is higher, due to more land and less ocean.
3. Earth's albedo is much higher in all the lovely new deserts. Thanks Gaia!
4. You can get from Australia to South America by train.
5. The Mediterranean Sea, The Arctic Ocean, Sea of Japan, and several others are now inland seas, and can be made into freshwater lakes by simply pumping that nasty seawater out. A few times.
6. Islas Malvinas are indisputably part of Argentina.
7. Dolphins will be angry, and angry dolphins are hilarious

And how do we get rid of all that water?

Aliens. All we need are Aliens with very poor business sense. We offer them the water for free, providing they pay the transport costs.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

My plan is to make more land, by removing some of the water from the ocean. About a quarter of it.

(Image)

Advantages:

1. Lots of lovely fertile new land (which was continental shelf).
2. Earth's albedo is higher, due to more land and less ocean.
3. Earth's albedo is much higher in all the lovely new deserts. Thanks Gaia!
4. You can get from Australia to South America by train.
5. The Mediterranean Sea, The Arctic Ocean, Sea of Japan, and several others are now inland seas, and can be made into freshwater lakes by simply pumping that nasty seawater out. A few times.
6. Islas Malvinas are indisputably part of Argentina.
7. Dolphins will be angry, and angry dolphins are hilarious

And how do we get rid of all that water?

Aliens. All we need are Aliens with very poor business sense. We offer them the water for free, providing they pay the transport costs.

That could take a while.

[AiliailiA]

My plan is to make more land, by removing some of the water from the ocean. About a quarter of it.

(Image)

Advantages:

1. Lots of lovely fertile new land (which was continental shelf).
2. Earth's albedo is higher, due to more land and less ocean.
3. Earth's albedo is much higher in all the lovely new deserts. Thanks Gaia!
4. You can get from Australia to South America by train.
5. The Mediterranean Sea, The Arctic Ocean, Sea of Japan, and several others are now inland seas, and can be made into freshwater lakes by simply pumping that nasty seawater out. A few times.
6. Islas Malvinas are indisputably part of Argentina.
7. Dolphins will be angry, and angry dolphins are hilarious

And how do we get rid of all that water?

Aliens. All we need are Aliens with very poor business sense. We offer them the water for free, providing they pay the transport costs.

That could take a while.

Alien friends, are you bored with the insipid taste of space water? One sip of our tasty Earth Water and you will never again settle for bland space water! Our water is rich in chlorine, sodium, magnesium and sulfur! Take some home, share with your family!

Here, have a free sample of 300 exalitres. Perhaps we can interest you in some short lived isotopes?

[Lunatic Goofballs]

That could take a while.

Alien friends, are you bored with the insipid taste of space water? One sip of our tasty Earth Water and you will never again settle for bland space water! Our water is rich in chlorine, sodium, magnesium and sulfur! Take some home, share with your family!

Here, have a free sample of 300 exalitres. Perhaps we can interest you in some short lived isotopes?

Yay!

But I didn't mean selling it, I meant moving it. Shipping 80 million cubic miles of water off planet is an engineering and logistical challenge. *nod*

[AiliailiA]

Alien friends, are you bored with the insipid taste of space water? One sip of our tasty Earth Water and you will never again settle for bland space water! Our water is rich in chlorine, sodium, magnesium and sulfur! Take some home, share with your family!

Here, have a free sample of 300 exalitres. Perhaps we can interest you in some short lived isotopes?

Yay!

But I didn't mean selling it, I meant moving it. Shipping 80 million cubic miles of water off planet is an engineering and logistical challenge. *nod*

Which is why we need the aliens to do the shipping. They can put stargates in the ocean ... or something.

I think you should leave the negotiations to me though. Aliens use the metric system.

[Trelso]

Alien friends, are you bored with the insipid taste of space water? One sip of our tasty Earth Water and you will never again settle for bland space water! Our water is rich in chlorine, sodium, magnesium and sulfur! Take some home, share with your family!

Here, have a free sample of 300 exalitres. Perhaps we can interest you in some short lived isotopes?

Yay!

But I didn't mean selling it, I meant moving it. Shipping 80 million cubic miles of water off planet is an engineering and logistical challenge. *nod*

To be fair, if they've mastered the art of interstellar flight, they'd probably be more than capable of moving even shit tons of water. (Metric shit tons even )

[Divair2]

Interestingly, many scientists who work with dolphins are so convinced of their intelligence that they have lobbeyed ffor them to be declared non-human persons:



http://www.bbc.com/news/world-17116882

Yeah, fuck that shit.

Amazing argument.

[Great Nepal]

My plan is to make more land, by removing some of the water from the ocean. About a quarter of it.

(Image)

Advantages:

1. Lots of lovely fertile new land (which was continental shelf).
2. Earth's albedo is higher, due to more land and less ocean.
3. Earth's albedo is much higher in all the lovely new deserts. Thanks Gaia!
4. You can get from Australia to South America by train.
5. The Mediterranean Sea, The Arctic Ocean, Sea of Japan, and several others are now inland seas, and can be made into freshwater lakes by simply pumping that nasty seawater out. A few times.
6. Islas Malvinas are indisputably part of Argentina.
7. Dolphins will be angry, and angry dolphins are hilarious

And how do we get rid of all that water?

Aliens. All we need are Aliens with very poor business sense. We offer them the water for free, providing they pay the transport costs.

Not nessecerily, all we need to do is sneak heroin into their daily food intake. Then we dissolve heroin into Earth's ocean and once they are addicted, we just casually mention that we have 1.37 billion cubic kilometres of the stuff. We sell them all the Earth's ocean in return for transportation and all their cool technologies. Then we use their technology to invade them while they are high and take back our heroin.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

Yay!

But I didn't mean selling it, I meant moving it. Shipping 80 million cubic miles of water off planet is an engineering and logistical challenge. *nod*

To be fair, if they've mastered the art of interstellar flight, they'd probably be more than capable of moving even shit tons of water. (Metric shit tons even )

We're still talking about a volume equal to a good sized moon or a small dwarf planet.

[Imperializt Russia]

Another reason to convert our entire power grid to nuclear and start terraforming mars. And if it does get that bad, we could always nuke Russia and trigger a minor nuclear winter.

Using nuclear weapons to combat global climate change seems to me the worst idea ever.

You'd only drop global temperatures by a few degrees for a few months anyway.
Not worth the loss in infrastructure.

[Divair2]

Using nuclear weapons to combat global climate change seems to me the worst idea ever.

You'd only drop global temperatures by a few degrees for a few months anyway.
Not worth the loss in infrastructure.

And human life.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

My plan is to make more land, by removing some of the water from the ocean. About a quarter of it.

(Image)

Advantages:

1. Lots of lovely fertile new land (which was continental shelf).
2. Earth's albedo is higher, due to more land and less ocean.
3. Earth's albedo is much higher in all the lovely new deserts. Thanks Gaia!
4. You can get from Australia to South America by train.
5. The Mediterranean Sea, The Arctic Ocean, Sea of Japan, and several others are now inland seas, and can be made into freshwater lakes by simply pumping that nasty seawater out. A few times.
6. Islas Malvinas are indisputably part of Argentina.
7. Dolphins will be angry, and angry dolphins are hilarious

And how do we get rid of all that water?

Aliens. All we need are Aliens with very poor business sense. We offer them the water for free, providing they pay the transport costs.

Not nessecerily, all we need to do is sneak heroin into their daily food intake. Then we dissolve heroin into Earth's ocean and once they are addicted, we just casually mention that we have 1.37 billion cubic kilometres of the stuff. We sell them all the Earth's ocean in return for transportation and all their cool technologies. Then we use their technology to invade them while they are high and take back our heroin.

There isn't enough heroin on earth. You couldn't grow enough Heroin on Earth. You would need a super-concentrated source of nearly pure drugs to taint all the world's oceans. Perhaps if we run Keith Richards through a big juicer...

[Dejanic]

My plan is to make more land, by removing some of the water from the ocean. About a quarter of it.

(Image)

Advantages:

1. Lots of lovely fertile new land (which was continental shelf).
2. Earth's albedo is higher, due to more land and less ocean.
3. Earth's albedo is much higher in all the lovely new deserts. Thanks Gaia!
4. You can get from Australia to South America by train.
5. The Mediterranean Sea, The Arctic Ocean, Sea of Japan, and several others are now inland seas, and can be made into freshwater lakes by simply pumping that nasty seawater out. A few times.
6. Islas Malvinas are indisputably part of Argentina.
7. Dolphins will be angry, and angry dolphins are hilarious

And how do we get rid of all that water?

Aliens. All we need are Aliens with very poor business sense. We offer them the water for free, providing they pay the transport costs.

But then Britain would be connected to mainland Europe, and the proud defenders of British freedom, Ukip, would be devastated!

[Great Nepal]

We're still talking about a volume equal to a good sized moon or a small dwarf planet.

So? Aliens would just need to build ten of these and drop it in middle of Atlantic and shift 716.9 cubic kilometres per hour. Let it run for 52 years and you have shifted 80 million cubic miles of water. How hard can it be?

[Imperializt Russia]

You'd only drop global temperatures by a few degrees for a few months anyway.
Not worth the loss in infrastructure.

And human life.

Widespread loss of human life is beneficial to the environment.

Genghis Khan killed so many that enormous forests grew back.

Plus, think of all the fertiliser you'd have when the soil stops glowing!

[Wickedly evil people]

Y2k

[Vazdania]

By now, we all are familiar with the forecasted global climate change disasters: more intense hurricanes. droughts, water shortage, rising sea levels, massive human population displacement, climate refugees, etc. But one overlooked consequence of global climate change, despite its drastic consequences, is that a significant portion of the world's surface could be rendered uninhabitable by humans.

Humans require an ambient temperature lower than their body's to cool off. In climate with hot, dry air, moisture in the air helps the human body cool off. But if the air is saturated with moisture and that moisture is hotter than the human body, the process of perspiration will not work and humans will overheat and die within 6 hours. This "Wet Bulb temperature" has been calculated to be around 95 degrees F. Anything above that and humans cannot survive.

Global climate change is threatening to raise wet bulb temperatures higher than 95 degrees in significant parts of the world, including the Eastern USA, West Africa, India, Australia and in the Amazonian Basin. As Live Science summarizes:

Earth's current warming trend could bring deadly heat for humans.

A new study that looked at reasonable worst-case scenarios for global warming found that if greenhouse gases continue to be emitted at their current rate, temperatures could become deadly in coming centuries.

Researchers calculated the highest tolerable "wet-bulb" temperature — equivalent to what is felt when wet skin is exposed to moving air — and found that this temperature could be exceeded for the first time in human history if greenhouse gas emissions continue at their current rate and future climate models are correct. Temperatures this unbearable for humans haven’t been seen during the existence of hominids — the primate family that includes ancient humans — but they did occur about 50 million years ago.

Exposure to wet-bulb temperatures above 95 degrees for six hours or more will create lethal stress levels in humans and other mammals, said study team member Matthew Huber of Purdue University’s earth and atmospheric sciences.

Huber said that while areas of the world regularly see temperatures above 100 degrees, really high wet-bulb temperatures are rare because the hottest areas of the planet normally have low humidity — think Arizona’s dry heat. Areas of the world such as Saudi Arabia have the highest wet-bulb temperatures near the coast where winds occasionally bring extremely hot, humid ocean air over hot land leading to unbearably stifling conditions.

"The wet-bulb limit is basically the point at which one would overheat even if they were naked in the shade, soaking wet and standing in front of a large fan," said Steven Sherwood of the Climate Change Research Centre at the University of New South Wales, Australia and the study’s lead author. "Although we are very unlikely to reach such temperatures this century, they could happen in the next."

The study did not address how likely this worst-case scenario is, only that it is possible based on so-called business-as-usual warming models, which make projections assuming that greenhouse gases continue to be emitted at the rate they are today.

"We found that a warming of 12 degrees Fahrenheit (roughly 7 degrees Celsius) would cause some areas of the world to surpass the wet-bulb temperature limit, and a 21-degree warming would put half of the world's population in an uninhabitable environment," Huber said.

"Whole countries would intermittently be subject to severe heat stress requiring large-scale adaptation efforts," Huber added. "One can imagine that such efforts, for example the wider adoption of air conditioning, would cause the power requirements to soar, and the affordability of such approaches is in question for much of the Third World that would bear the brunt of these impacts. In addition, the livestock on which we rely would still be exposed, and it would make any form of outside work hazardous."

The results of the study are detailed in the May 6 issue of the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

Regions that will be uninhabitable in white and purple.
http://www.livescience.com/6428-earth-hot-humans.html

Given this pretty apocalyptic scenario which seems very likely to come true if we continue our present rate of omissions, why aren't we doing more to stop global climate change? And why has the press as well as many scientific organizations been largely silent on this particular issue of global climate change rendering parts of the world uninhabitable when, in my opinion, uninhabitability is one of the most significant consequences of global climate change? Why do we keep on hearing about hurricanes and droughts, but not about how the places where will live might not be suitable for human habitation in coming centuries?

So.........I'm doing MY part \[O_O]/ ARE YOU? Or are you just being a Carbon pig???? O:


In any event....Swedish model this shit and lets get a move on.

[Cognigotoapagawayiagan]

Global Climate Change doesn't exist. It is just a pattern in weather that happens every once in a while. We just don't have enough data from the past to prove that Climate Change exists. Think of the period between the two ice ages. Couldn't that have been a temporary change in conditions? It's just a weather pattern.

[Great Nepal]

There isn't enough heroin on earth. You couldn't grow enough Heroin on Earth. You would need a super-concentrated source of nearly pure drugs to taint all the world's oceans. Perhaps if we run Keith Richards through a big juicer...

We just need 685million terratonns of stuff, dont you think we would produce surplus if we run him through juicer? Plus we dont need to grow anything, just use HCL and Ammonia; if all of world pulls together I am sure we can start mass producing stuff throughout the world.

[Imperializt Russia]

Global Climate Change doesn't exist. It is just a pattern in weather that happens every once in a while. We just don't have enough data from the past to prove that Climate Change exists. Think of the period between the two ice ages. Couldn't that have been a temporary change in conditions? It's just a weather pattern.

A weather pattern that we'd hideously added to.