Former Mayor Bloomberg Fights Against NRA

[Death Metal]

If anything, gun control is one thing that Republicans are actually liberal on.

Banning sodas and shit are also right-wing stances.

Since when have those been right wing issues?

Since always. Authoritarianism is socially right-wing.

[Dyakovo]

Better late than never.

By then, there will probably be more mounting issues involving Social Security and Medicare.

The one is easily fixed by eliminating the upper end cut-off on taxation of earnings, the other by instituting a nationalized health care system.

[Llamalandia]

Since when have those been right wing issues?

Since always. Authoritarianism is socially right-wing.

I haven't heard a single conservative or Republican for that matter praise Blomberg for his efforts in these areas (at least no one of national signifigance anyway.) Right wing doesn't automatically make people authoritarian wanna be dictators. IF anything the current GOP is more classically liberal than anything right now.

[The Serbian Empire]

By then, there will probably be more mounting issues involving Social Security and Medicare.

The one is easily fixed by eliminating the upper end cut-off on taxation of earnings, the other by instituting a nationalized health care system.

The problem is look at all those Congress members who earn over that upper end cut-off. That's the bane of the Social Security proposal is that the Congressional members earn more than the cut-off every year. It's easier with the Medicare cure however, but that's likely to be unpopular much like Obamacare to the point the GOP might exploit it for massive political gain trying to repeal it.

[Dyakovo]

Since always. Authoritarianism is socially right-wing.

I haven't heard a single conservative or Republican for that matter praise Blomberg for his efforts in these areas (at least no one of national signifigance anyway.) Right wing doesn't automatically make people authoritarian wanna be dictators. IF anything the current GOP is more classically liberal than anything right now.

[Death Metal]

IF anything the current GOP is more classically liberal than anything right now.

If by that you mean "would be considered liberal by 1000 AD standards",

Otherwise, no, they're hardline right-wing conservative.

The problem is, Democrats are also conservative. Just more centre.

You can't pick and choose single issues and say that This Particular Scotsman Is Or Is Not A True One.

[Dyakovo]

IF anything the current GOP is more classically liberal than anything right now.

If by that you mean "would be considered liberal by 1000 AD standards",

Otherwise, no, they're hardline right-wing conservative reactionary.

The problem is, Democrats are also conservative. Just more centre.

You can't pick and choose single issues and say that This Particular Scotsman Is Or Is Not A True One.

ftfy

[Greed and Death]

Since always. Authoritarianism is socially right-wing.

I haven't heard a single conservative or Republican for that matter praise Blomberg for his efforts in these areas (at least no one of national signifigance anyway.) Right wing doesn't automatically make people authoritarian wanna be dictators. IF anything the current GOP is more classically liberal than anything right now.

A lot of the American right want to legalize drugs on the theory it is your business.

The GOP pretty much laughed at Bloomberg for his Soda ban, most defenders of the large soda ban I ran into were left winged arguing it is for public health so it is ok.

[Greed and Death]

I haven't heard a single conservative or Republican for that matter praise Blomberg for his efforts in these areas (at least no one of national signifigance anyway.) Right wing doesn't automatically make people authoritarian wanna be dictators. IF anything the current GOP is more classically liberal than anything right now.

On the economy the GOP is most certainly classical liberal.

[Lerodan Chinamerica]

0) But so do the states, and the use of the "state's rights" argument has been used to violate those limits. Repeatedly. And more often than not, in ways that limit freedoms. The states are the real "big government" in the US.

0) Not anymore. Aside from the occasional sodomy law, you see a lot of states shrinking, not expanding, the size of government. The days of slavery and black codes are long gone. And states do not erect widespread surveillance programs, bankrupt entitlement entitlement schemes and wage trillion-dollar wars without a declaration.

1) Only if you ignore key parts of the Constitution. Like the main body, and the implied powers. And the Supreme Court's right to judicial review.

You're being very vague. There is a clear list of enumerated powers

2) False.

Take a look for yourself.

3) Support of state establishment of Unconstitutional things,

Like what?

a complete disrespect for Congressional rights,

What?

supporting Unconstitutional sodomy laws,

The Tea Party's main goal is to bring fiscal conservatism back to the United States. They have no general position on civil liberties (although around half of Tea Partiers identify as libertarians).

frequent attempts to stifle First Amendment speech of naysayers using state governments... the list goes on and on, and on.

Source?

4) Fuck Bush,

It baffles me greatly as to why any Obama supporter at all would dislike Bush, and why so many Bush supporters dislike Obama.

also, I don't agree with everything Obama does. Of course, if he takes actions I'd prefer to take, the totalitarians on the right would squawk and whine and piss and moan. Of course most of the things that you claim are Unconstitutional are probably not, ad the things that are are remnants of the Bush Administration like PRISM (but really, to get rid of PRISM, you have to undo the Espionage Act first, and repealing the Espionage Act is technically illegal under the Espionage Act. So we need the SCOTUS to strike it down)

I wasn't referring specifically to the spying program, but I didn't realise that a healthcare mandate, changing said mandate 40 times without Congressional approval, directing drones to murder kids and American citizens in several different countries without a declaration of war, picking which laws to enforce and not enforce and bailing out political cronies were protected powers in the Constitution.

[Divair2]

Since always. Authoritarianism is socially right-wing.

I haven't heard a single conservative or Republican for that matter praise Blomberg for his efforts in these areas (at least no one of national signifigance anyway.) Right wing doesn't automatically make people authoritarian wanna be dictators. IF anything the current GOP is more classically liberal than anything right now.

>GOP
>classically liberal
Pick one.

[Big Jim P]

Looks like gun control means nothing unless all the surrounding states have very strict rules. Indiana's loose laws just seep over into Chicago.

This is exactly why a nation standard is necessary for gun control regulations.

Indeed, and with the recent court decisions in Cali and Chicago upholding the right to bear arms, we are getting there. In the correct direction as well.

Edit: and we already do have a national standard: The Second Amendment.

[Big Jim P]

Bloomberg is further evidence that little good comes form New York.

[Gauthier]

Bloomberg is further evidence that little good comes form New York.

An Objectivist spewing right-wing talking points. Shocker.

[Dyakovo]

This is exactly why a nation standard is necessary for gun control regulations.

Indeed, and with the recent court decisions in Cali and Chicago upholding the right to bear arms, we are getting there. In the correct direction as well.

Edit: and we already do have a national standard: The Second Amendment.

The Second Amendment is wholly inadequate as a real standard. And, no, the country is most definitely not headed in the correct direction.

[Pavlostani]

When are people going to get through their head that guns don't kill people, people kill people.

When we stop finding bullets in corpses.

[Ifreann]

When are people going to get through their head that guns don't kill people, people kill people.

When we stop finding bullets in corpses.

The dead have risen and are feasting on our ammunition.

[Dyakovo]

Some standards that need to be adopted on the national level:
Full background check on every firearms purchase.
Mental health screening before every firearms purchase.
Competency (on safety and handling) for every weapon prior to purchase.

[Occupied Deutschland]

Some standards that need to be adopted on the national level:
Full background check on every firearms purchase.
Mental health screening before every firearms purchase.
Competency (on safety and handling) for every weapon prior to purchase.

Fuck that noise. If one is adjudicated as mentally incompetent/dangerous they can be prohibited, but mental health screening being required prior to purchase is ridiculous (and not helpful as current mental status doesn't predict future status).

Remove 922r compliance requirements for imported firearms (as slight recompense for the added cost of routing all sales through FFL dealerships for background checks, and since it doesn't have jack to do with safety anyways) and allow new full-automatic production and civilian distribution and I'd support it.

[Viritica]

Absolute lies. There was no growth of government to protest,

Not like the PATRIOT Act, bailouts, deficits, growth of the national debt and Affordable Care Act weren't expansions of government. Or is that all Koch-funded lies and conspiracy theories?

in fact the Tea Party has done nothing but grow government influence in their respective states, while taking kickbacks from their masters too.

All because they hate black people, amiright?

The Tea Party is nothing more than corporate-funded dominionists trying to rape the Constitution. There is nothing noble or grassroots about it.

Hahahahaha! So the Tea Party - a decentralised movement which advocates the rule of law, balanced budgets, states' rights and adherence to the Constitution - is actually trying to go against it? And since when did you care about the Constitution? You and all the other "liberals" who push for nationalised healthcare, a welfare state, corporate subsidies and gun bans don't give a damn about the Constitution. You've already proved to me that you haven't even read it when you told me that the Tenth Amendment does not apply to the United States. You have no idea what you're talking about.

You are the best person who's ever lived.

[Viritica]

1. Illegal aliens are here illegally.
2. Pro-domestic employment is indispensable.
3. A strong military is essential.
4. Special interests must be eliminated.
5. Gun ownership is sacred.
6. Government must be downsized.
7. The national budget must be balanced.
8. Deficit spending must end.
9. Bailout and stimulus plans are illegal.
10. Reducing personal income taxes is a must.
11. Reducing business income taxes is mandatory.
12. Political offices must be available to average citizens.
13. Intrusive government must be stopped.
14. English as our core language is required.
15. Traditional family values are encouraged.

http://www.teaparty.org/about-us/

1. Yes, but human rights are human rights, not American rights.
2. Yes, but non-domestic employment doesn't always hurt our economy.
3. Not if we hadn't started the war in the Middle East.
4. Not if this is referring to LGBT rights. Those are human rights, not "special interests".
5. Yes.
6. No. The state's rights argument is a joke. All they have done in the 21st century is hold back progress.
7. Yes.
8. Not if what the money is being spent on is critical.
9. Would you like to live in a nation where you can lose all of your money in the blink of an eye? See 1920s & 1930s.
10. Not really. Taxes can be used to fund education, healthcare, etc. Dropping them would drop funding for these services.
11. Because companies like Apple and Facebook are taking a big hit as is.
12. Does this need to be stated?
13. Yes.
14. Roughly 45 million people speak Spanish. There is no reason to make their lives harder because you don't speak their language.
15. Absolutely not. LGBT rights are important to the human rights movement in America.

What have we learned?
Parties are fucking stupid and we should all just be centrists and form our own opinions.

I was unaware illegal aliens coming here was all a part of "human rights".

[ShadowDragons]

Uggg. Democrats our so anti-freedom these days. They want to regulate peoples lives too much. Tell you what food to eat, how much health coverage and what type, and even what type of bag you get at the store. Democrats are no longer liberals. I used to agree with them on lots of social issues.

[Viritica]

The Right to Keep and Bear arms means all types of arms, INCLUDING Guns as they are a type of arms. Constitutionally No Weapon Bans are Legal, Including Firearms. So you are the one who is wrong.

Nope.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Sta ... Cruikshank
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Miller

Learn 2 Constitution.

You're deliberately ignoring one key case.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#District_of_Columbia_v._Heller

You don't know how 2 constitution.

[Dyakovo]

Uggg. Democrats our so anti-freedom these days.

What does this have to do with Democrats?
Michael Bloomberg is not a Democrat.

[Geilinor]

Since always. Authoritarianism is socially right-wing.

I haven't heard a single conservative or Republican for that matter praise Blomberg for his efforts in these areas (at least no one of national signifigance anyway.) Right wing doesn't automatically make people authoritarian wanna be dictators. IF anything the current GOP is more classically liberal than anything right now.

Classically liberal? Have you looked at the social stances of most Republicans? Classical liberalism emphasizes freedom, but the GOP only focuses on economic freedom.