Religions proselytizing is poison to society

[Kaldjenkrone]

Religion is like a penis. It's fine to happy you've got one, it's size, and how well you use it. When you go around waving it in other people's faces, that you've got a problem. I'm proud of my Faith, as am I of my penis. But fuck these lame ass limp dick proselytizing bitches.

[Ryfylke]

Ēostre has no connection to the Christian faith; Easter does. But that's beside the point. Essentially, you're saying it's inappropriate for the labor movement to celebrate their cause on May Day because they don't believe in the goddess Flora or the various Gaelic gods.

I'm not saying that at all. Where are you getting this from?

"Yeah well the Church already did it and even though it makes no sense for Easter to be a Christian holiday, bearing no strong connection to the Christian faith, FUCK IT, ITS VALID CAUSE ITS OLD."

The clear implication here is that Easter is not "valid" because its origins are in a pagan holiday that it has no theological relationship to. In order to be consistent, you must therefore also assert that workers' celebrations for May Day are also not "valid" because May Day has its origins as a conglomeration of various pagan traditions that morphed into a general spring celebration, neither of which have anything to do with workers.

Yes, the modern celebration of both holidays is based on pagan tradition, with the meaning of that tradition being lost in the process. My question is who cares?

If you don't care, feel free not to reply to me.

Perhaps I would like to know why a topic that is seemingly irrelevant for someone who I presume is an atheist is prompting such a strong response? You clearly care. My question, which still stands, is why?

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Easter is the day that our savior rose from the dead.

So we have to turn it into a day about a rabbit who leaves candy everywhere?

You do realize that you're not actually required to do so, right? There are a good number of Christians who find that reprehensible, and focus entirely on the resurrection bit.

[Ryfylke]

Nationalism is only a few hundreds of years old. Religion has existed for as long as we have records of human behaviour.

Incorrect.

Gosh, hard to argue with that.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Incorrect.

Gosh, hard to argue with that.

Impossible, really.

[Ryfylke]

Gosh, hard to argue with that.

Impossible, really.

I'm honestly looking forward to seeing any evidence he or she manages to procure. A person would be the toast of the anthropological world if they managed to prove that.

[Constantinopolis]

It follows the first sunday after the full moon following March equinox. For no fucking reason whatsoever.

Actually there is a very good reason: This is how the date for the Jewish festival of Passover is calculated, and the Resurrection happened on the first Sunday after the beginning of Passover.

The Christian method of calculating the date of Easter is derived from the Jewish method of calculating the date of Passover.

[Constantinopolis]

"Yeah well the Church already did it and even though it makes no sense for Easter to be a Christian holiday, bearing no strong connection to the Christian faith, FUCK IT, ITS VALID CAUSE ITS OLD."

Christians believe that the Resurrection of Christ happened on the first Sunday after the beginning of Passover. So, uh... you think it makes no sense to celebrate that every year on the first Sunday after the beginning of Passover?

Granted, it is true that the way Christians calculate the time of Easter and the way Jews calculate the time of Passover have diverged somewhat over the centuries, but originally they were the same.

A static date would have worked. Who was the genius who thought making it a movable date was a splendid idea?

The problem with a static date is that it would be on a different day of the week every year, thus breaking the connection between Easter and Sunday.

[Bythibus]

I'm not saying that at all. Where are you getting this from?

"Yeah well the Church already did it and even though it makes no sense for Easter to be a Christian holiday, bearing no strong connection to the Christian faith, FUCK IT, ITS VALID CAUSE ITS OLD."

The clear implication here is that Easter is not "valid" because its origins are in a pagan holiday that it has no theological relationship to. In order to be consistent, you must therefore also assert that workers' celebrations for May Day are also not "valid" because May Day has its origins as a conglomeration of various pagan traditions that morphed into a general spring celebration, neither of which have anything to do with workers.

I'm not implying anything here. I'd suggest you read back a lot in my posts here. It'd sort things out for you.

If you don't care, feel free not to reply to me.

Perhaps I would like to know why a topic that is seemingly irrelevant for someone who I presume is an atheist is prompting such a strong response? You clearly care. My question, which still stands, is why?

I don't. Never implied I did. You assumed I did because you jumped into the middle of a conversation.

[Molerats]

spreading ignorance and hatred is, indeed, poison. Religion is very predatory, it really preys on the weak. It's really strange that all powerful beings always need more money

[Ryfylke]

The clear implication here is that Easter is not "valid" because its origins are in a pagan holiday that it has no theological relationship to. In order to be consistent, you must therefore also assert that workers' celebrations for May Day are also not "valid" because May Day has its origins as a conglomeration of various pagan traditions that morphed into a general spring celebration, neither of which have anything to do with workers.

I'm not implying anything here. I'd suggest you read back a lot in my posts here. It'd sort things out for you.

Perhaps I would like to know why a topic that is seemingly irrelevant for someone who I presume is an atheist is prompting such a strong response? You clearly care. My question, which still stands, is why?

I don't. Never implied I did. You assumed I did because you jumped into the middle of a conversation.

That does not counter his statement though, you know. Just broadens it.

If he doesn't want to follow something because it's borrowed from another religion he can do a few things. 1: Don't be in a religion. 2: Make your own without any external input. 3: Accept that modern religions and even ancient ones are just older religions thrown into one.

Or he could just not accept hell and be some sect of Christianity that didn't like that part. But using "It's pagan bullshit" to exclude it from your beliefs is a little short-sighted.

Ar you talking about this? In whose mind is a ten-day-old conversation that ended 13 pages ago "jumping in the middle of a conversation"? I accept that you were not arguing what it appeared that you were, but being patronizing about it is unbecoming and expecting a person to remember the author of each post in a threat is a little unreasonable.

However, I do concede.

[Roski]

spreading ignorance and hatred is, indeed, poison. Religion is very predatory, it really preys on the weak. It's really strange that all powerful beings always need more money

^This

[Bythibus]

I'm not implying anything here. I'd suggest you read back a lot in my posts here. It'd sort things out for you.


I don't. Never implied I did. You assumed I did because you jumped into the middle of a conversation.

If he doesn't want to follow something because it's borrowed from another religion he can do a few things. 1: Don't be in a religion. 2: Make your own without any external input. 3: Accept that modern religions and even ancient ones are just older religions thrown into one.

Or he could just not accept hell and be some sect of Christianity that didn't like that part. But using "It's pagan bullshit" to exclude it from your beliefs is a little short-sighted.

Ar you talking about this? In whose mind is a ten-day-old conversation that ended 13 pages ago "jumping in the middle of a conversation"? I accept that you were not arguing what it appeared that you were, but being patronizing about it is unbecoming and expecting a person to remember the author of each post in a threat is a little unreasonable.

However, I do concede.

If I remember correctly, the conversation was revived and that's how we landed here.

Nice to see you're a gentleman about it.
P.S. Sorry, I get kind of patronizing sometimes (a lot)

[Ryfylke]

Ar you talking about this? In whose mind is a ten-day-old conversation that ended 13 pages ago "jumping in the middle of a conversation"? I accept that you were not arguing what it appeared that you were, but being patronizing about it is unbecoming and expecting a person to remember the author of each post in a threat is a little unreasonable.

However, I do concede.

If I remember correctly, the conversation was revived and that's how we landed here.

Nice to see you're a gentleman about it.
P.S. Sorry, I get kind of patronizing sometimes (a lot)

No worries. I'll be sure to read the rest of the thread more carefully next time.

So for something completely different, is there any more discussion to be had on the topic of proselytization?

[Bythibus]

If I remember correctly, the conversation was revived and that's how we landed here.

Nice to see you're a gentleman about it.
P.S. Sorry, I get kind of patronizing sometimes (a lot)

No worries. I'll be sure to read the rest of the thread more carefully next time.

So for something completely different, is there any more discussion to be had on the topic of proselytization?

I'm not sure. It seems most have realized that those who hate it are haters and hates gonna hate, and the wackos that proselytize a lot are just gonna keep being wackos. ANd everyone in between is just kinda, "Meh" as far as being good or bad goes.

[Dracoria]

It follows the first sunday after the full moon following March equinox. For no fucking reason whatsoever.

Actually there is a very good reason: This is how the date for the Jewish festival of Passover is calculated, and the Resurrection happened on the first Sunday after the beginning of Passover.

The Christian method of calculating the date of Easter is derived from the Jewish method of calculating the date of Passover.

Pfft. Next you'll say there's some possibility the Last Supper was a Seder.

[Free Missouri]

It is thought to be around the time the Resurrection happened.

A static date would have worked. Who was the genius who thought making it a movable date was a splendid idea?

Because Jewish passover follows a lunar calendar,

The Ressurection happened on the Third Day after passover

[Reddogkeno101]

I think that the mentality that your religion is automatically the right one and that you need to convert everyone else is just terrible. It disgusts me that Christian missionaries want to convert everyone and that Islamic nations punish people for not believing in Islam. People should start to recognize they could be wrong and it is bad to force things on people.

What does everyone think?

It's a sense of ignorance in-built in most religions that has caused this proselytizing behaviour. The solution would to have better education systems that promote questioning things you are told to just believe without question.

[Distruzio]

I think that the mentality that your religion is automatically the right one and that you need to convert everyone else is just terrible. It disgusts me that Christian missionaries want to convert everyone and that Islamic nations punish people for not believing in Islam. People should start to recognize they could be wrong and it is bad to force things on people.

What does everyone think?

I think this is a misguided opinion. There is nothing wrong with being willing to admit being corrected, but to walk around assuming you're incorrect?

[Ryfylke]

It's a sense of ignorance in-built in most religions that has caused this proselytizing behaviour. The solution would to have better education systems that promote questioning things you are told to just believe without question.

Sigh. We've been over this.

More importantly, however, I don't appreciate the insinuation that religious beliefs are a product of upbringing and are never questioned. Such an assertion ignores essentially every theological development of the past two millennia (if considering Christianity) and discounts the constant fluctuations and struggles of belief that people experience every day. Your vision of faith is a caricature.

Indeed, if people never questioned the beliefs they were raised with, proselytizing would be absolutely pointless and never work.

The very existence of proselytizing proves that people do, in fact, change their beliefs during their adult lives.

Not only is the assertion that religion is based on lack of questioning completely and utterly wrong, but proselytizing wouldn't work if it was right.

[The Risen Jaguar Warriors]

I consider them lower than slaves, and I often have to resist the urge to spit on them or grab their pamplets and play 52(k) Freefall with their products of illegal logging. IMO, they are a menace to society and they have no good reason why people should help them. IMO, even beggars have a right to be helped: they're usually just down on their luck and NOT (usually) the druggies pop culture portrays them as.

IMO, we should reason with them in a war of wits and words to humiliate them, then maybe they will stop...

In other words, there is no such thing as a perfect world. Although the Nazis killed about 1/3 of Europe's Jews, 2/3 of Europe's Jews were still left, despite all the Nazis' (probable) efficiency, amd their bribes. Although the ancient christians destroyed practically all traces of the Old Gods, how come we still know so much about their holidays and rituals? Whatever majority prevails, there will always be a minority, and therefore, variety will always prevail, as it has in history, and we all know that history repeats itself again... and again... and again...