Sexuality, Human Expression, and Personhood

[Shie]

The resources gained from foreign invasion can be used on classrooms and rationed to provide for other necessities.

Your world domination fantasies aside, do you have any mildly realistic solution?

Alcoholics can't drink if liquor isn't available. With cameras installed in every room, personal brewery's aren't possible. As people punch into work a brief breathalyzer test can be done without any large interference in the day.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Your world domination fantasies aside, do you have any mildly realistic solution?

Alcoholics can't drink if liquor isn't available. With cameras installed in every room, personal brewery's aren't possible. As people punch into work a brief breathalyzer test can be done without any large interference in the day.

Do you really believe people are going to pay taxes to be monitored?

[Shie]

Washing centers will stop criminals instead.

What the fuck would those "washing centers" do?

Rehabilitation at first and eventually neurosurgery if alcoholism seems uncurable. If both methods don't work, the poor souls will have to be cemented over.

[Geilinor]

Your world domination fantasies aside, do you have any mildly realistic solution?

Alcoholics can't drink if liquor isn't available. With cameras installed in every room, personal brewery's aren't possible. As people punch into work a brief breathalyzer test can be done without any large interference in the day.

Are you done with your Orwellian fantasies?

[Liriena]

Your world domination fantasies aside, do you have any mildly realistic solution?

Alcoholics can't drink if liquor isn't available. With cameras installed in every room, personal brewery's aren't possible. As people punch into work a brief breathalyzer test can be done without any large interference in the day.

I said "mildly realistic".

[Liriena]

What the fuck would those "washing centers" do?

Rehabilitation at first and eventually neurosurgery if alcoholism seems uncurable. If both methods don't work, the poor souls will have to be cemented over.

Well, I'm done.

[Shie]

Alcoholics can't drink if liquor isn't available. With cameras installed in every room, personal brewery's aren't possible. As people punch into work a brief breathalyzer test can be done without any large interference in the day.

Do you really believe people are going to pay taxes to be monitored?

The public will support any policy after a tragedy happens. All money would eventually come back to the state anyways. I doubt the public would have to purchase anything because their needs will already be provided for them so excess resources and revenue from invasion can go toward a monitoring program after someone important passes away or somewhere is burned down by terrorists.

[Geilinor]

Do you really believe people are going to pay taxes to be monitored?

The public will support any policy after a tragedy happens. All money would eventually come back to the state anyways. I doubt the public would have to purchase anything because their needs will already be provided for them so excess resources and revenue from invasion can go toward a monitoring program after someone important passes away or somewhere is burned down by terrorists.

Are you suggesting false-flag attacks?

[Dumb Ideologies]

What the fuck would those "washing centers" do?

Rehabilitation at first and eventually neurosurgery if alcoholism seems uncurable. If both methods don't work, the poor souls will have to be cemented over.

That escalated quickly. Summer sure does start early nowadays.

[Shie]

The public will support any policy after a tragedy happens. All money would eventually come back to the state anyways. I doubt the public would have to purchase anything because their needs will already be provided for them so excess resources and revenue from invasion can go toward a monitoring program after someone important passes away or somewhere is burned down by terrorists.

Are you suggesting false-flag attacks?

Hypothetically, there would be no reason to actually do it now.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Are you suggesting false-flag attacks?

Hypothetically, only before radical policy is implemented.

Careful, that Reichstag looks like a real tinderbox~!

[Shie]

Hypothetically, only before radical policy is implemented.

Careful, that Reichstag looks like a real tinderbox~!

I am not a Nazi and will not advocate racist policies.

[Geilinor]

Careful, that Reichstag looks like a real tinderbox~!

I am not a Nazi and will not advocate racist policies.

But you will install oppressive policies.

[Shie]

I am not a Nazi and will not advocate racist policies.

But you will install oppressive policies.

Oppressive? Ideas are harmless, the only people who would be oppressed by surveillance are criminals.

[Des-Bal]

What I find with you is that you tend to argue while drinking or just plain drunk.

Really, when you have a cohesive argument while not drunk then maybe I will keep paying attention to you, as it stands all you have said either is bullshit or something I would expect to hear from my drunk father.

What you're observing is that I argue constantly and sometimes drink.

My argument was and is that the evidence for the existence of nonbinary gender is largely non-scientific. Your "sources" are just other people stating nonbinary gender exists not proving it.

[Des-Bal]

Conservatism.

Seriously? Legalize heroin, polygamy is a matter of personal choice, just fuck off and leave everybody alone me is being guided by conservativism? Your problem is that you've gotten too accustomed to arguing with belief systems and you're ignoring arguments.

[Dumb Ideologies]

What I find with you is that you tend to argue while drinking or just plain drunk.

Really, when you have a cohesive argument while not drunk then maybe I will keep paying attention to you, as it stands all you have said either is bullshit or something I would expect to hear from my drunk father.

What you're observing is that I argue constantly and sometimes drink.

My argument was and is that the evidence for the existence of nonbinary gender is largely non-scientific. Your "sources" are just other people stating nonbinary gender exists not proving it.

Well yes, but the idea that sociology can even *be* a science in the strict sense is a pretty minority position. I'm not even sure how you would go about "scientifically" analysing something as experiential as gender identity. Doesn't mean that it's not an important thing. I mean, I'm non binary - I can report that to you but I can't "prove" it to you with a data set, and unless you can somehow inject yourself into my consciousness you can't "do science" on it. But my identity still has "real" impacts on my life and the social interactions I take part in.

I'm honestly a little confused as to what it is that you expect from us.

[Liriena]

My argument was and is that the evidence for the existence of nonbinary gender is largely non-scientific. Your "sources" are just other people stating nonbinary gender exists not proving it.

Now you're just lying. We know that nonbinary genders exist because there's people who sincerely identify as such, and because we can demonstrate the existence of third genders in several cultures throughout the world. Given how gender is a sociocultural and mental construct, that pretty much covers it.

[Des-Bal]

Now you're just lying. We know that nonbinary genders exist because there's people who sincerely identify as such, and because we can demonstrate the existence of third genders in several cultures throughout the world. Given how gender is a sociocultural and mental construct, that pretty much covers it.

Except for the fact your own source highlights the observable physiological differences between male and female.

Well yes, but the idea that sociology can even *be* a science in the strict sense is a pretty minority position. I'm not even sure how you would go about "scientifically" analysing something as experiential as gender identity. Doesn't mean that it's not an important thing. I mean, I'm non binary - I can report that to you but I can't "prove" it to you with a data set, and unless you can somehow inject yourself into my consciousness you can't "do science" on it. But my identity still has "real" impacts on my life and the social interactions I take part in.

I'm honestly a little confused as to what it is that you expect from us.

Either demonstrate that there is NO biological component to gender or show me that there is an observable mechanism by which a person can be categorized as "other."

What you can't do is tell me "well this is happening in my head and you have to believe me."

[Liriena]

Now you're just lying. We know that nonbinary genders exist because there's people who sincerely identify as such, and because we can demonstrate the existence of third genders in several cultures throughout the world. Given how gender is a sociocultural and mental construct, that pretty much covers it.

Except for the fact your own source highlights the observable physiological differences between male and female.

And this refutes the existence of intersex and non-binary genders how?

[Liriena]

What you can't do is tell me "well this is happening in my head and you have to believe me."

When it comes to gender identity and gender dysphoria, that's the gist of it.

[Des-Bal]

And this refutes the existence of intersex and non-binary genders how?

It refutes the idea of genders as strictly cultural. Your claim appears to be that if people say they're non-binary they are. The problem is you don't apply that logic to anything else, people aren't inherently correct about what's going on in they're heads.

[Des-Bal]

When it comes to gender identity and gender dysphoria, that's the gist of it.

So we're agreeing your argument is literally nothing.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Now you're just lying. We know that nonbinary genders exist because there's people who sincerely identify as such, and because we can demonstrate the existence of third genders in several cultures throughout the world. Given how gender is a sociocultural and mental construct, that pretty much covers it.

Except for the fact your own source highlights the observable physiological differences between male and female.

Well yes, but the idea that sociology can even *be* a science in the strict sense is a pretty minority position. I'm not even sure how you would go about "scientifically" analysing something as experiential as gender identity. Doesn't mean that it's not an important thing. I mean, I'm non binary - I can report that to you but I can't "prove" it to you with a data set, and unless you can somehow inject yourself into my consciousness you can't "do science" on it. But my identity still has "real" impacts on my life and the social interactions I take part in.

I'm honestly a little confused as to what it is that you expect from us.

Either demonstrate that there is NO biological component to gender or show me that there is an observable mechanism by which a person can be categorized as "other."

What you can't do is tell me "well this is happening in my head and you have to believe me."

Gender is a pretty social construct, just like other seemingly "objective" criteria such as "morality" and "ethics". As such, you really can't expect people to describe it objectively or that there is a mathematical formula that is discrete that can tell us "this is how you can define a non-binary gender".

[Des-Bal]

Gender is a pretty social construct, just like other seemingly "objective" criteria such as "morality" and "ethics". As such, you really can't expect people to describe it objectively or that there is a mathematical formula that is discrete that can tell us "this is how you can define a non-binary gender".

Except for the observable physiological component.