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Postby Elwher » Fri Mar 21, 2014 11:03 am

Ewelainoroen wrote:
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You may not have to follow the new or old testament, but as long as you are in a catholic high school, you may find yourself subject to follow certain codes of conducts. Advocating their core doctrines as 'fairytales' and you may find yourself alienated for completely different reasons than your sexuality.


Are you fucking kidding me? All people should have a right to say whatever they want and express their sexuality however they want. No question!


While I personally think the Catholic Church is sadly mistaken on this issue, as long as you choose to attend a school run by any private organization, that organization has a certain right to compel behavior on their property which they think is correct. Even in a public school, there are some limits as to what one can say; do you think that someone should have the right to claim that all blacks are sub-human and should be shot on sight in a high school?
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Postby San Benedict e San Francesco » Fri Mar 21, 2014 11:03 am

Conscentia wrote:The Catechism says that homosexuals should be treated as equals.
Clearly the school administrators of thy experience are terrible Catholics.


^2358, if memory serves?
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Postby Vashta Nerada » Fri Mar 21, 2014 11:03 am

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You fucking bigot! How can you say that! Let me guess, your infatuated with some sense of heteronormativity instilled in you by the patriarchy. Guess what buddy, this is the real world! Where laws aren't dictated by fucking you!


Lol. I stopped reading when I read the word 'fucking'.

Anyways, I'm not being a bigot. I'm just stating a truth. It's not like gay couples can produce children, amirite?

True. But remember, your arguing with people who use a word to crush any attempts to counter their arguments, even though you state the truth.
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Postby Kelinfort » Fri Mar 21, 2014 11:04 am

Vashta Nerada wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:People find it icky. People hide behind book and say it is icky. That's why, unfortunately.

You have plenty of atheists and people without books to hide behind who find it equally as icky.

Right, they don't use a book as an excuse for their beliefs. They hide behind pseudoscience. Also, there are markedly fewer atheists who are bigoted against homosexuality.

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Postby Hakio » Fri Mar 21, 2014 11:05 am

Vashta Nerada wrote:
King Vendrick wrote:
Lol. I stopped reading when I read the word 'fucking'.

Anyways, I'm not being a bigot. I'm just stating a truth. It's not like gay couples can produce children, amirite?

True. But remember, your arguing with people who use a word to crush any attempts to counter their arguments, even though you state the truth.

Can you explain to me without the bible why kissing a boy is wrong?
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Postby Kelinfort » Fri Mar 21, 2014 11:05 am

Vashta Nerada wrote:
King Vendrick wrote:
Lol. I stopped reading when I read the word 'fucking'.

Anyways, I'm not being a bigot. I'm just stating a truth. It's not like gay couples can produce children, amirite?

True. But remember, your arguing with people who use a word to crush any attempts to counter their arguments, even though you state the truth.

You used one word to "crush" my attempt to tell the truth. Double standard much? :eyebrow:

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Postby Valcouria » Fri Mar 21, 2014 11:05 am

San Benedict e San Francesco wrote:
Valcouria wrote:For one, you cannot choose your skin color like you can who you are attracted to. That's one of the major reasons that the so-called gay rights thing will collapse in on itself in the future.


If being gay is a choice, try it for a few days and see how you feel.

I choose not to, as everyone should. Frankly, I hold a small amount of pity for gays, since they have made the choice that will result in an unhappy afterlife.
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Postby Hakio » Fri Mar 21, 2014 11:06 am

Valcouria wrote:
San Benedict e San Francesco wrote:
If being gay is a choice, try it for a few days and see how you feel.

I choose not to, as everyone should. Frankly, I hold a small amount of pity for gays, since they have made the choice that will result in an unhappy afterlife.

Gay marriages result in fewer divorce rates than straight ones, dude.
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Postby Kelinfort » Fri Mar 21, 2014 11:06 am

Valcouria wrote:
San Benedict e San Francesco wrote:
If being gay is a choice, try it for a few days and see how you feel.

I choose not to, as everyone should. Frankly, I hold a small amount of pity for gays, since they have made the choice that will result in an unhappy afterlife.

Why would a god care so much about that? You make a deity sound vengeful and jealous. So much for omniscience.
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Postby Fascist Russian Empire » Fri Mar 21, 2014 11:07 am

Valcouria wrote:
San Benedict e San Francesco wrote:
If being gay is a choice, try it for a few days and see how you feel.

I choose not to, as everyone should. Frankly, I hold a small amount of pity for gays, since they have made the choice that will result in an unhappy afterlife.

:palm:

Dude, you don't choose what the fuck turns you on, okay? The sooner you realize this, the better for everyone. Do you choose to get a boner from thinking about naked women? No? Well, guess what, you don't choose to be heterosexual, then.

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Postby Kryozerkia » Fri Mar 21, 2014 11:07 am

Bruce Howard wrote:King James Version (KJV)
Leviticus 18:22
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.



All of you abominations are worthy of THE DEATH PENALTY, no discussion, no remorse, no sympathy.

Yahweh's wrath against you is going to be more furious than the fire and brimestone rained down upon Sodom and Gommorah.

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Postby Hakio » Fri Mar 21, 2014 11:07 am

If you choose what turns you on then you're just a closet bisexual/pansexual...
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Postby King Vendrick » Fri Mar 21, 2014 11:08 am

Hakio wrote:
Vashta Nerada wrote:True. But remember, your arguing with people who use a word to crush any attempts to counter their arguments, even though you state the truth.

Can you explain to me without the bible why kissing a boy is wrong?


Kiss = sign of affection.

Heterosexuality = man + woman

Homosexuality = man + man / woman + woman

Heterosexuality + Kiss = Affection of man and woman that can lead to more men and women being produced.

Homosexuality + Kiss = Affection of two members of the same sex that can never lead to more men and women being produced.

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Postby Hakio » Fri Mar 21, 2014 11:08 am

Kryozerkia wrote:
Bruce Howard wrote:King James Version (KJV)
Leviticus 18:22
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.



All of you abominations are worthy of THE DEATH PENALTY, no discussion, no remorse, no sympathy.

Yahweh's wrath against you is going to be more furious than the fire and brimestone rained down upon Sodom and Gommorah.

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Postby Vashta Nerada » Fri Mar 21, 2014 11:08 am

Elwher wrote:
Ewelainoroen wrote:
Are you fucking kidding me? All people should have a right to say whatever they want and express their sexuality however they want. No question!


While I personally think the Catholic Church is sadly mistaken on this issue, as long as you choose to attend a school run by any private organization, that organization has a certain right to compel behavior on their property which they think is correct. Even in a public school, there are some limits as to what one can say; do you think that someone should have the right to claim that all blacks are sub-human and should be shot on sight in a high school?

Actually, it was confirmed long ago that blacks are just whites with a different skin tone. Gays are attracted to someone of the same gender, and that goes far beyond a petty issue regarding the amount of melanin in a person's skin. So blacks and gays are completely different civil rights wise. Seriously, stop comparing gays to blacks. Gays haven't gone through half of the things blacks have gone through, so you can never compare the two.
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Postby Scolopendra » Fri Mar 21, 2014 11:09 am

Ewelainoroen wrote:
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Sorry mate. If being LGBT were normal and mainstream, it would mean the extinction or decadence of the human race, which is supposed to be the ultimate race because of its sapience.


You fucking bigot! How can you say that! Let me guess, your infatuated with some sense of heteronormativity instilled in you by the patriarchy. Guess what buddy, this is the real world! Where laws aren't dictated by fucking you!

Easy there. There's ways to make your point without resorting to flaming. Consider this an application of the rolled-up newspaper.

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Postby Kelinfort » Fri Mar 21, 2014 11:09 am

King Vendrick wrote:
Hakio wrote:Can you explain to me without the bible why kissing a boy is wrong?


Kiss = sign of affection.

Heterosexuality = man + woman

Homosexuality = man + man / woman + woman

Heterosexuality + Kiss = Affection of man and woman that can lead to more men and women being produced.

Homosexuality + Kiss = Affection of two members of the same sex that can never lead to more men and women being produced.

So a male and female who cannot produce children are being sinful? Or a boyfriend and girlfriend who kiss aren't producing children, so is that wrong? We have too many people as it stands.

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Postby Hakio » Fri Mar 21, 2014 11:09 am

King Vendrick wrote:
Hakio wrote:Can you explain to me without the bible why kissing a boy is wrong?


Kiss = sign of affection.

Heterosexuality = man + woman

Homosexuality = man + man / woman + woman

Heterosexuality + Kiss = Affection of man and woman that can lead to more men and women being produced.

Homosexuality + Kiss = Affection of two members of the same sex that can never lead to more men and women being produced.

:rofl: what about infertile heterosexuals?
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Postby Fascist Russian Empire » Fri Mar 21, 2014 11:09 am

King Vendrick wrote:
Hakio wrote:Can you explain to me without the bible why kissing a boy is wrong?


Kiss = sign of affection.

Heterosexuality = man + woman

Homosexuality = man + man / woman + woman

Heterosexuality + Kiss = Affection of man and woman that can lead to more men and women being produced.

Homosexuality + Kiss = Affection of two members of the same sex that can never lead to more men and women being produced.

Not having kids is evil? Fucking really?

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Postby Conscentia » Fri Mar 21, 2014 11:10 am

King Vendrick wrote:
Hakio wrote:Can you explain to me without the bible why kissing a boy is wrong?

Kiss = sign of affection.
Heterosexuality = man + woman
Homosexuality = man + man / woman + woman
Heterosexuality + Kiss = Affection of man and woman that can lead to more men and women being produced.
Homosexuality + Kiss = Affection of two members of the same sex that can never lead to more men and women being produced.

You imply that infertile heterosexuals are also wrong, as a people who choose a life of chastity, etc.
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Postby Elwher » Fri Mar 21, 2014 11:11 am

Vashta Nerada wrote:
Elwher wrote:
While I personally think the Catholic Church is sadly mistaken on this issue, as long as you choose to attend a school run by any private organization, that organization has a certain right to compel behavior on their property which they think is correct. Even in a public school, there are some limits as to what one can say; do you think that someone should have the right to claim that all blacks are sub-human and should be shot on sight in a high school?

Actually, it was confirmed long ago that blacks are just whites with a different skin tone. Gays are attracted to someone of the same gender, and that goes far beyond a petty issue regarding the amount of melanin in a person's skin. So blacks and gays are completely different civil rights wise. Seriously, stop comparing gays to blacks. Gays haven't gone through half of the things blacks have gone through, so you can never compare the two.


I was not in any way comparing the two groups, only using an extreme example as to why the viewpoint that anyone can say whatever they want in a school is mistaken. Change blacks to Jews and the point is just as valid.
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Postby Kelinfort » Fri Mar 21, 2014 11:12 am

I've yet to see a legitimate argument against homosexuality that doesn't boil down to "I find it icky."

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Postby King Vendrick » Fri Mar 21, 2014 11:12 am

Kelinfort wrote:
King Vendrick wrote:
Kiss = sign of affection.

Heterosexuality = man + woman

Homosexuality = man + man / woman + woman

Heterosexuality + Kiss = Affection of man and woman that can lead to more men and women being produced.

Homosexuality + Kiss = Affection of two members of the same sex that can never lead to more men and women being produced.

So a male and female who cannot produce children are being sinful? Or a boyfriend and girlfriend who kiss aren't producing children, so is that wrong? We have too many people as it stands.


1. Never said anything about sin.

2. They would die off without producing more members of society. This is a downwards spiral.

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