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Rio Cana wrote:

Lemanrussland wrote:Crazy irredentist groups, yeah.

No one in any of those country's governments will pursue those territorial claims seriously, unless you have some kind of massive destabilization of those countries. Pretty much all of those territorial transfers have been recognized by the states involved.

Some say the Romanian government has a plan to try to lure back Moldova and Budjak which is part of Ukraine.

Read this - http://ukrainianweek.com/Politics/27595

Moldova has been Romania's main ambition for quite a while now. And in all honesty this is justified. In pre-Soviet times there was quite a strong and widespread sentiment of unitary national Romanian identity shared by Transylvanians, Moldovans and Wallachians alike. During the reign of the USSR, as with many of its neighbors, Moldova faced serious denationalization and Russification policies. Even the alphabet was reverted back to Cyrillic, which had been long abandoned in favor of Latin letters . Instead of choosing to fully assimilate Moldova, the Soviets went the middle route of classic divide and conquer, and successfully set up a separate national identity of Moldovans specifically targeted against the Romanian one in order to replace it. With such bullshit as Moldovans having more in common with Slavs than with Romanians (as if they were a different nationality) , and so on. Russophilic academia has even gone to such lengths as creating a "Moldavian-Romanian" dictionary as if the two were different languages when Moldavian is but a mere dialect of Romanian.

However, slowly but surely, Moldovans are waking up from this smoke and mirrors.

In any case, any eventual unification of the two will only come as a result of a democratic decision mutually agreed upon by the two populations. The same could be said about territories currently in Ukraine assuming this would be plausible, which it really isn't. But under no circumstances would Romania wait for e.g. Ukraine to break up in order to come in and annex its territories , or whatever is being implied by those saying that "Romania has territorial claims in Ukraine and Moldova"

EDIT: Correction, they didn't even revert back to the original Cyrillic Romanian alphabet , instead they used a "designed" (read: made-up) Russian-based alphabet. You can read all about it here.

Occupied Deutschland wrote:Simon Ostrovsky (VICE news correspondent) is, it seems, a Pravy Sektor agent according to the 'people's mayor' of Slovyansk.

Translate:

ak said Mayor People Sloviansk Vyacheslav Ponomarev, Ostrovsky currently under arrest . Militia assured that contained alien " under normal conditions, is supplied with power ", reports "Interfax" .

Vyacheslav Ponomarev , "This journalist (he has dual citizenship in Israel and the United States ) is really self-defense forces detained . According to our data , it is the informant "right sector . '"

Earlier, some media reported that Slovyansk was abducted by U.S. Internet Publishing Vice News Simon Ostrovsky .

Later , the OSCE representative Dunja Mijatovic , referring to these reports , demanded the release of foreigners who , with her words , forcibly keep unknown in uniform.

Meanwhile, in the Slovyansk , despite the start of a military operation today , remains calm . Work all utilities, open trade institutions , children went to school , on the streets is not shootings .

Vyacheslav Ponomarev : "It was an extension from the raisins in our side to ten BTR with the military, which we tracked . Passed five kilometers , turned , and then dug . And this so-called " anti-terrorist operation " until over. "

More on NTV.Ru : http://www.ntv.ru/novosti/923739/ # ixzz2zjTRNA5B

Where does Ostrovsky actually come from?

He knows Russian very good.

Rio Cana wrote:

Lemanrussland wrote:Crazy irredentist groups, yeah.

No one in any of those country's governments will pursue those territorial claims seriously, unless you have some kind of massive destabilization of those countries. Pretty much all of those territorial transfers have been recognized by the states involved.

Some say the Romanian government has a plan to try to lure back Moldova and Budjak which is part of Ukraine.

Read this - http://ukrainianweek.com/Politics/27595

I've never heard of that, sounds almost exactly the Russian policy of liberally spreading those passports around in the post-Soviet republics.

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine ... ivtsi.html

“For us, it is not important who asks for citizenship,” said Cruceru. “The [Romanian] law is for everybody.”

He said Romanian law grants citizenship to former Romanian citizens who have been deprived of their citizenship for various reasons. He said those also include citizens of other countries who do not intend to move to Romania for permanent residence.

Yep, exactly like the Russian passport policy.

My opinion on the whole Moldova/Romania/Transnistria issue: Union with Moldova is somewhat popular in Romania from the polls I've read, while it is supported by only a minority in Moldova. I wouldn't mind the two coming back together, but only if it was on a fully voluntary basis, with both governments agreeing to it, and an honest referendum being held on it. If Moldova doesn't want it, they shouldn't be forced to accept it. I don't really care if Transnistria gets left out. The concept of Transnistria as being part of Moldova was mostly invented by the Soviets as part of an attempt to reinforce their claims to Bessarabia and Northern Bukovina. Geopolitics is to blame for this (as usual). They wanted Bessarabia to gain some space to protect Odessa, and to gain control of the mouth of the Danube.

Perhaps Transnistria can be part of some autonomous zone in a federalized Ukraine. I'm not sure how union with Russia would really work, they don't want to give up their presence there, yet they still want to use it as leverage against Moldova. They would much rather have it exist as a quasi-independent state (recognized by no one, yet tacitly supported by them), or in a federal arrangement with Moldova (the more dysfunctional the better, since it would give them more leverage over Moldova), instead of becoming a fully fledged part of the Russian Federation. Maybe in this hypothetical scenario (Moldova and Romania uniting peacefully), they would go ahead and try to annex Transnistria. I don't know.

Bunjak and Northern Bukovina should remain part of Ukraine in any case. All the countries involved should try to ameliorate the human rights and security situation surrounding Transnistria (which all mainly stem from the power organized crime has in the region)

Scholmeria wrote:

Occupied Deutschland wrote:Simon Ostrovsky (VICE news correspondent) is, it seems, a Pravy Sektor agent according to the 'people's mayor' of Slovyansk.

Translate:

ak said Mayor People Sloviansk Vyacheslav Ponomarev, Ostrovsky currently under arrest . Militia assured that contained alien " under normal conditions, is supplied with power ", reports "Interfax" .

Vyacheslav Ponomarev , "This journalist (he has dual citizenship in Israel and the United States ) is really self-defense forces detained . According to our data , it is the informant "right sector . '"

Earlier, some media reported that Slovyansk was abducted by U.S. Internet Publishing Vice News Simon Ostrovsky .

Later , the OSCE representative Dunja Mijatovic , referring to these reports , demanded the release of foreigners who , with her words , forcibly keep unknown in uniform.

Meanwhile, in the Slovyansk , despite the start of a military operation today , remains calm . Work all utilities, open trade institutions , children went to school , on the streets is not shootings .

Vyacheslav Ponomarev : "It was an extension from the raisins in our side to ten BTR with the military, which we tracked . Passed five kilometers , turned , and then dug . And this so-called " anti-terrorist operation " until over. "

More on NTV.Ru : http://www.ntv.ru/novosti/923739/ # ixzz2zjTRNA5B

Where does Ostrovsky actually come from?

He knows Russian very good.

He was born in the Russian RSFSR, and moved to America after the USSR collapsed AFAIK.

Rio Cana wrote:

Soviet Russia Republic wrote:
First off no one is going to fight world war three over Ukraine. Second Russia is not leaving Crimea, something every nation (even Ukraine) seems to understand. I'm curious if you would of called the western Ukrainians who pulled off the same type of stunts as those in the East as "terrorists". With one even declaring independence from Kiev when it was under the control of the old government still.

There are some groups in Hungaria and Romania that would like back some former territories that they lost to the Soviets and which were made part of Ukraine.

This for the Hungarians
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zakarpattia_Oblast

This for the Romanians
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budjak

and this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernivtsi_Oblast

Oh look, the Russians were opressing the Ukrainians.

EDIT.

You forgot that the Poles want Lviv back.

Lemanrussland wrote:

Scholmeria wrote:Where does Ostrovsky actually come from?

He knows Russian very good.

He was born in the Russian RSFSR, and moved to America after the USSR collapsed AFAIK.

Thanks, he seems to despise his home country, which is sad.

Scholmeria wrote:

Lemanrussland wrote:He was born in the Russian RSFSR, and moved to America after the USSR collapsed AFAIK.

Thanks, he seems to despise his home country, which is sad.

What gives you that impression?

Lemanrussland wrote:

Scholmeria wrote:Where does Ostrovsky actually come from?

He knows Russian very good.

He was born in the Russian RSFSR, and moved to America after the USSR collapsed AFAIK.

How the fuck is his double citizenship relevant at all? They're acting as if they've made a big discovery and.. oh wait Israel. This makes everything different. "Glorious People's Self Defense Force Unravel US-Jew zionist plot"

E: And the comment section of that page is filled with pure gems. Among others, one reads:

Terrorists took hostage journalist. NTV, it's your colleague ... but what am I? What are you a journalist? You have long been a cog in this infernal machine deceitful propaganda of Goebbels! Shame!

Pure gems.

Rio Cana wrote:I found this old article with a map which shows an independent Ukraine after the new Russian government signed a treaty with the Central Powers before the end of WW I.

Map is large. Includes an article. It seems Crimea and the part North of it was not claimed by the Ukraine. Also, Bessarabia was not claimed by them.
http://www.krausehouse.ca/krause/images ... aurida.gif

That is because the Tatars organised their own state...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_Pe ... s_Republic

...which was to be a German client state if the Central Powers won the war.

Lemanrussland wrote:

Scholmeria wrote:Thanks, he seems to despise his home country, which is sad.

What gives you that impression?

Because he is potraying the actions of his native country as something bad. At least you should espect from a non-biased journalist to say that the Maidaners ousted a legitimate and democratic elected president.

Scholmeria wrote:

Lemanrussland wrote:What gives you that impression?

Because he is potraying the actions of his native country as something bad. At least you should espect from a non-biased journalist to say that the Maidaners ousted a legitimate and democratic elected president.

I actually don't find him that biased at all... Sure, if you go look at the very details he would be biased, but in general i don't see him that way... Especially when i compare it to the Dutch media (wether state news or other news/talk shows)

DnalweN acilbupeR wrote:

Rio Cana wrote:
Some say the Romanian government has a plan to try to lure back Moldova and Budjak which is part of Ukraine.

Read this - http://ukrainianweek.com/Politics/27595

Moldova has been Romania's main ambition for quite a while now. And in all honesty this is justified. In pre-Soviet times there was quite a strong and widespread sentiment of unitary national Romanian identity shared by Transylvanians, Moldovans and Wallachians alike. During the reign of the USSR, as with many of its neighbors, Moldova faced serious denationalization and Russification policies. Even the alphabet was reverted back to Cyrillic, which had been long abandoned in favor of Latin letters . Instead of choosing to fully assimilate Moldova, the Soviets went the middle route of classic divide and conquer, and successfully set up a separate national identity of Moldovans specifically targeted against the Romanian one in order to replace it. With such bullshit as Moldovans having more in common with Slavs than with Romanians (as if they were a different nationality) , and so on. Russophilic academia has even gone to such lengths as creating a "Moldavian-Romanian" dictionary as if the two were different languages when Moldavian is but a mere dialect of Romanian.

However, slowly but surely, Moldovans are waking up from this smoke and mirrors.

In any case, any eventual unification of the two will only come as a result of a democratic decision mutually agreed upon by the two populations. The same could be said about territories currently in Ukraine assuming this would be plausible, which it really isn't. But under no circumstances would Romania wait for e.g. Ukraine to break up in order to come in and annex its territories , or whatever is being implied by those saying that "Romania has territorial claims in Ukraine and Moldova"

EDIT: Correction, they didn't even revert back to the original Cyrillic Romanian alphabet , instead they used a "designed" (read: made-up) Russian-based alphabet. You can read all about it here.

You are forgeting Transdniestr and Russsia. They would not be happy about it.

Limborg wrote:I actually don't find him that biased at all... Sure, if you go look at the very details he would be biased, but in general i don't see him that way... Especially when i compare it to the Dutch media (wether state news or other news/talk shows)

Well, ok. It was just my impression.I never heard any critique for the Maidaners from VICE.

Scholmeria wrote:

Lemanrussland wrote:What gives you that impression?

Because he is potraying the actions of his native country as something bad. At least you should espect from a non-biased journalist to say that the Maidaners ousted a legitimate and democratic elected president.

That doesn't mean he hates his country of birth.

You can hate the government of your country without hating the country itself (which includes the people, culture and so on).

I also don't get that impression from his work, to be honest.

DnalweN acilbupeR wrote:

Lemanrussland wrote:He was born in the Russian RSFSR, and moved to America after the USSR collapsed AFAIK.

How the fuck is his double citizenship relevant at all? They're acting as if they've made a big discovery and.. oh wait Israel. This makes everything different. "Glorious People's Self Defense Force Unravel US-Jew zionist plot"

E: And the comment section of that page is filled with pure gems. Among others, one reads:

Terrorists took hostage journalist. NTV, it's your colleague ... but what am I? What are you a journalist? You have long been a cog in this infernal machine deceitful propaganda of Goebbels! Shame!

Pure gems.

He asked one too many tough questions to Russia Stroniks walking around with itchy trigger fingers, methinks. He was really asking for it in some of those interviews.

And yeah, other people are trying to rationalize his abduction and other possible horrible shit that might be happening to him. It's pretty pathetic. "Everyone who disagrees with us is a Nazi propagandist" gets pretty stale after a while as well.

Scholmeria wrote:

DnalweN acilbupeR wrote:
Moldova has been Romania's main ambition for quite a while now. And in all honesty this is justified. In pre-Soviet times there was quite a strong and widespread sentiment of unitary national Romanian identity shared by Transylvanians, Moldovans and Wallachians alike. During the reign of the USSR, as with many of its neighbors, Moldova faced serious denationalization and Russification policies. Even the alphabet was reverted back to Cyrillic, which had been long abandoned in favor of Latin letters . Instead of choosing to fully assimilate Moldova, the Soviets went the middle route of classic divide and conquer, and successfully set up a separate national identity of Moldovans specifically targeted against the Romanian one in order to replace it. With such bullshit as Moldovans having more in common with Slavs than with Romanians (as if they were a different nationality) , and so on. Russophilic academia has even gone to such lengths as creating a "Moldavian-Romanian" dictionary as if the two were different languages when Moldavian is but a mere dialect of Romanian.

However, slowly but surely, Moldovans are waking up from this smoke and mirrors.

In any case, any eventual unification of the two will only come as a result of a democratic decision mutually agreed upon by the two populations. The same could be said about territories currently in Ukraine assuming this would be plausible, which it really isn't. But under no circumstances would Romania wait for e.g. Ukraine to break up in order to come in and annex its territories , or whatever is being implied by those saying that "Romania has territorial claims in Ukraine and Moldova"

EDIT: Correction, they didn't even revert back to the original Cyrillic Romanian alphabet , instead they used a "designed" (read: made-up) Russian-based alphabet. You can read all about it here.

You are forgeting Transdniestr and Russsia. They would not be happy about it.

Oh they can fuck off.

"We want to be part of Russia! We are Russians! Russia strong!

[...]

Wait, Moldova you can't do that! Don't leave us!"

If that happened (not that it will, most likely Moldova will just seek EU membership at some point), and they complained, they can go pound sand for all I care.

Scholmeria wrote:

DnalweN acilbupeR wrote:
Moldova has been Romania's main ambition for quite a while now. And in all honesty this is justified. In pre-Soviet times there was quite a strong and widespread sentiment of unitary national Romanian identity shared by Transylvanians, Moldovans and Wallachians alike. During the reign of the USSR, as with many of its neighbors, Moldova faced serious denationalization and Russification policies. Even the alphabet was reverted back to Cyrillic, which had been long abandoned in favor of Latin letters . Instead of choosing to fully assimilate Moldova, the Soviets went the middle route of classic divide and conquer, and successfully set up a separate national identity of Moldovans specifically targeted against the Romanian one in order to replace it. With such bullshit as Moldovans having more in common with Slavs than with Romanians (as if they were a different nationality) , and so on. Russophilic academia has even gone to such lengths as creating a "Moldavian-Romanian" dictionary as if the two were different languages when Moldavian is but a mere dialect of Romanian.

However, slowly but surely, Moldovans are waking up from this smoke and mirrors.

In any case, any eventual unification of the two will only come as a result of a democratic decision mutually agreed upon by the two populations. The same could be said about territories currently in Ukraine assuming this would be plausible, which it really isn't. But under no circumstances would Romania wait for e.g. Ukraine to break up in order to come in and annex its territories , or whatever is being implied by those saying that "Romania has territorial claims in Ukraine and Moldova"

EDIT: Correction, they didn't even revert back to the original Cyrillic Romanian alphabet , instead they used a "designed" (read: made-up) Russian-based alphabet. You can read all about it here.

You are forgeting Transdniestr and Russsia. They would not be happy about it.

Limborg wrote:I actually don't find him that biased at all... Sure, if you go look at the very details he would be biased, but in general i don't see him that way... Especially when i compare it to the Dutch media (wether state news or other news/talk shows)

Well, ok. It was just my impression.I never heard any critique for the Maidaners from VICE.

Transdniestr (the USSR Nostalgics' Republic of, ) and Russia both need to fuck off. Ukraine is forever lost now , what does Russia think it'll do? Roll through Kiev to reach Moldova? Yeah , right.

Scholmeria wrote:

Occupied Deutschland wrote:Simon Ostrovsky (VICE news correspondent) is, it seems, a Pravy Sektor agent according to the 'people's mayor' of Slovyansk.

Translate:

ak said Mayor People Sloviansk Vyacheslav Ponomarev, Ostrovsky currently under arrest . Militia assured that contained alien " under normal conditions, is supplied with power ", reports "Interfax" .

Vyacheslav Ponomarev , "This journalist (he has dual citizenship in Israel and the United States ) is really self-defense forces detained . According to our data , it is the informant "right sector . '"

Earlier, some media reported that Slovyansk was abducted by U.S. Internet Publishing Vice News Simon Ostrovsky .

Later , the OSCE representative Dunja Mijatovic , referring to these reports , demanded the release of foreigners who , with her words , forcibly keep unknown in uniform.

Meanwhile, in the Slovyansk , despite the start of a military operation today , remains calm . Work all utilities, open trade institutions , children went to school , on the streets is not shootings .

Vyacheslav Ponomarev : "It was an extension from the raisins in our side to ten BTR with the military, which we tracked . Passed five kilometers , turned , and then dug . And this so-called " anti-terrorist operation " until over. "

More on NTV.Ru : http://www.ntv.ru/novosti/923739/ # ixzz2zjTRNA5B

Where does Ostrovsky actually come from?

He knows Russian very good.

He was born there and worked for the Moscow Times.

Lemanrussland wrote:Oh they can fuck off.

"We want to be part of Russia! We are Russians! Russia strong!

[...]

Wait, Moldova you can't do that! Don't leave us!"

If that happened (not that it will, most likely Moldova will just seek EU membership at some point), and they complained, they can go pound sand for all I care.

DnalweN acilbupeR wrote:
Transdniestr (the USSR Nostalgics' Republic of, ) and Russia both need to fuck off. Ukraine is forever lost now , what does Russia think it'll do? Roll through Kiev to reach Moldova? Yeah , right.

As much I prefer that Moldova be part of the EU (even more to be part of Romania where it is actually belong), we have to face the reality. If Moldova would start to unite with EU or Romania, it will become another Ukrainian case, this time Transistria playing Crimea. The EU should make a plan before it start doing that and even should be willing to spend more money.

Also, the Russian army could easily go in there, as according to a peace accord (between Moldova, Transistria and Russia) Russia has troops in Trandnepar working as peacekeepers.

Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:
He was born there and worked for the Moscow Times.

Interesting. The Moscow Times are the only english-speking media in Russia owned by foreigners. So no wonder they have such stance and that guy like Ostrovsky come out.

Scholmeria wrote:

Lemanrussland wrote:Oh they can fuck off.

"We want to be part of Russia! We are Russians! Russia strong!

[...]

Wait, Moldova you can't do that! Don't leave us!"

If that happened (not that it will, most likely Moldova will just seek EU membership at some point), and they complained, they can go pound sand for all I care.

DnalweN acilbupeR wrote:
Transdniestr (the USSR Nostalgics' Republic of, ) and Russia both need to fuck off. Ukraine is forever lost now , what does Russia think it'll do? Roll through Kiev to reach Moldova? Yeah , right.

As much I prefer that Moldova be part of the EU (even more to be part of Romania where it is actually belong), we have to face the reality. If Moldova would start to unite with EU or Romania, it will become another Ukrainian case, this time Transistria playing Crimea. The EU should make a plan before it start doing that and even should be willing to spend more money.

Also, the Russian army could easily go in there, as according to a peace accord (between Moldova, Transistria and Russia) Russia has troops in Trandnepar working as peacekeepers.

Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:
He was born there and worked for the Moscow Times.

Interesting. The Moscow Times are the only english-speking media in Russia owned by foreigners. So no wonder they have such stance and that guy like Ostrovsky come out.

I can see it now. It would make a good comedy sitcom.

"Those are not our troops."

*laugh track*

"We are just protecting our citizens. Romania is full of fascists, don't you remember WWII?"

Ixzara wrote:Someone being chased down by Russian authorities for refusing to release info about people making insulting jokes about Putin's nipples? That's....typical.

If Putin doesn't want to have people comment on his saggy man-boobs, he should keep his God-damned shirt on. I mean, does he REALLY have to walk around pretending to be the Second Coming of Benito Mussolini?!?

Alien Space Bats wrote:

Ixzara wrote:Someone being chased down by Russian authorities for refusing to release info about people making insulting jokes about Putin's nipples? That's....typical.

If Putin doesn't want to have people comment on his saggy man-boobs, he should keep his God-damned shirt on. I mean, does he REALLY have to walk around pretending to be the Second Coming of Benito Mussolini?!?

It was just ONE (1) photo set years ago. Practically no one in Russia now either recalls it or reminds others about ut daily (as often the case with the Western media and/or forumites here).

Lemanrussland wrote:

Scholmeria wrote:Because he is potraying the actions of his native country as something bad. At least you should espect from a non-biased journalist to say that the Maidaners ousted a legitimate and democratic elected president.

That doesn't mean he hates his country of birth.

You can hate the government of your country without hating the country itself (which includes the people, culture and so on).

I also don't get that impression from his work, to be honest.

DnalweN acilbupeR wrote:
How the fuck is his double citizenship relevant at all? They're acting as if they've made a big discovery and.. oh wait Israel. This makes everything different. "Glorious People's Self Defense Force Unravel US-Jew zionist plot"

E: And the comment section of that page is filled with pure gems. Among others, one reads:



Pure gems.

He asked one too many tough questions to Russia Stroniks walking around with itchy trigger fingers, methinks. He was really asking for it in some of those interviews.

And yeah, other people are trying to rationalize his abduction and other possible horrible shit that might be happening to him. It's pretty pathetic. "Everyone who disagrees with us is a Nazi propagandist" gets pretty stale after a while as well.

Who's trying to rationalize his abduction on NSG?

Lemanrussland wrote:

Scholmeria wrote:You are forgeting Transdniestr and Russsia. They would not be happy about it.

Oh they can fuck off.

"We want to be part of Russia! We are Russians! Russia strong!

[...]

Wait, Moldova you can't do that! Don't leave us!"

If that happened (not that it will, most likely Moldova will just seek EU membership at some point), and they complained, they can go pound sand for all I care.

Solution: hold a democratic referendum, region by region, with six months for campaigning in advance, with debates reserved and thousands of election monitors, in all of Moldova on the issues of:

1. Do you want to join Romania?
2. Do you want the status quo?
3. Do you want to join Russia?
4. Do you want independence for your region?

I think it'll be thus: Moldova, minus TransDneister & Borderlands are going to want to join Romania, and TD & B join Russia. Problem fucking solved. Through peaceful voting.

DnalweN acilbupeR wrote:

Scholmeria wrote:You are forgeting Transdniestr and Russsia. They would not be happy about it.


Well, ok. It was just my impression.I never heard any critique for the Maidaners from VICE.

Transdniestr (the USSR Nostalgics' Republic of, ) and Russia both need to fuck off. Ukraine is forever lost now , what does Russia think it'll do? Roll through Kiev to reach Moldova? Yeah , right.

Pay Odessa for passage, much like Lithuania gets paid for passage to Kaliningrad. It's not unheard of for cargo trucks to move through several countries.

Scholmeria wrote:

Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:
He was born there and worked for the Moscow Times.

Interesting. The Moscow Times are the only english-speking media in Russia owned by foreigners. So no wonder they have such stance and that guy like Ostrovsky come out.

Ostrovsky got rooftop coverage in Donetsk, so it's not like they were hostile to him right off the bat: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wetleAB1XmY

I think it's more of local idiocy, either that or the locals were pissed off and took it out on Ostrovsky. Obviously they're wrong.

Shofercia wrote:

Lemanrussland wrote:That doesn't mean he hates his country of birth.

You can hate the government of your country without hating the country itself (which includes the people, culture and so on).

I also don't get that impression from his work, to be honest.


He asked one too many tough questions to Russia Stroniks walking around with itchy trigger fingers, methinks. He was really asking for it in some of those interviews.

And yeah, other people are trying to rationalize his abduction and other possible horrible shit that might be happening to him. It's pretty pathetic. "Everyone who disagrees with us is a Nazi propagandist" gets pretty stale after a while as well.

Who's trying to rationalize his abduction on NSG?

Lemanrussland wrote:Oh they can fuck off.

"We want to be part of Russia! We are Russians! Russia strong!

[...]

Wait, Moldova you can't do that! Don't leave us!"

If that happened (not that it will, most likely Moldova will just seek EU membership at some point), and they complained, they can go pound sand for all I care.

Solution: hold a democratic referendum, region by region, with six months for campaigning in advance, with debates reserved and thousands of election monitors, in all of Moldova on the issues of:

1. Do you want to join Romania?
2. Do you want the status quo?
3. Do you want to join Russia?
4. Do you want independence for your region?

I think it'll be thus: Moldova, minus TransDneister & Borderlands are going to want to join Romania, and TD & B join Russia. Problem fucking solved. Through peaceful voting.

DnalweN acilbupeR wrote:
Transdniestr (the USSR Nostalgics' Republic of, ) and Russia both need to fuck off. Ukraine is forever lost now , what does Russia think it'll do? Roll through Kiev to reach Moldova? Yeah , right.

Pay Odessa for passage, much like Lithuania gets paid for passage to Kaliningrad. It's not unheard of for cargo trucks to move through several countries.

Scholmeria wrote:Interesting. The Moscow Times are the only english-speking media in Russia owned by foreigners. So no wonder they have such stance and that guy like Ostrovsky come out.

Ostrovsky got rooftop coverage in Donetsk, so it's not like they were hostile to him right off the bat: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wetleAB1XmY

I think it's more of local idiocy, either that or the locals were pissed off and took it out on Ostrovsky. Obviously they're wrong.

http://www.ntv.ru/novosti/923739/

Not on NSG.

People in the comment section he's talking about. Saying he's a fascist propagandist, affiliated with the Right Sector, Western provocateur and so on, and so that justifies the kidnapping.

It's pathetic. Pretty much anyone or anything that goes against their personal opinion is "fascist". It's like reading the writings of a bunch of tumbler feminists. Perhaps we shouldn't even bring up those comments, since I'm sure you can point at idiots everywhere and bring their discussion up here.

Lemanrussland wrote:

Shofercia wrote:
Who's trying to rationalize his abduction on NSG?




Solution: hold a democratic referendum, region by region, with six months for campaigning in advance, with debates reserved and thousands of election monitors, in all of Moldova on the issues of:

1. Do you want to join Romania?
2. Do you want the status quo?
3. Do you want to join Russia?
4. Do you want independence for your region?

I think it'll be thus: Moldova, minus TransDneister & Borderlands are going to want to join Romania, and TD & B join Russia. Problem fucking solved. Through peaceful voting.




Pay Odessa for passage, much like Lithuania gets paid for passage to Kaliningrad. It's not unheard of for cargo trucks to move through several countries.




Ostrovsky got rooftop coverage in Donetsk, so it's not like they were hostile to him right off the bat: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wetleAB1XmY

I think it's more of local idiocy, either that or the locals were pissed off and took it out on Ostrovsky. Obviously they're wrong.

http://www.ntv.ru/novosti/923739/

Not on NSG.

People in the comment section he's talking about. Saying he's a fascist propagandist, affiliated with the Right Sector, Western provocateur and so on, and so that justifies the kidnapping.

It's pathetic. Pretty much anyone or anything that goes against their personal opinion is "fascist". It's like reading the writings of a bunch of tumbler feminists. Perhaps we shouldn't even bring up those comments, since I'm sure you can point at idiots everywhere and bring their discussion up here.

Regarding comments, like you said, idiots abound. However, this is the first comment I see: Обвинять журналиста в том, что он информатор всё равно что обвинять уборщицу в том, что она забирает мусор. Правый сектор наверняка и НТВ посматривает. Так-что все журналисты НТВ - информаторы правого сектора. В колонну по одному и сдаваться Пономарёву, and I agree with it.

Terrorists tried to storm ammo dump in Artemvisk, attack was repelled with casualties.

Reinforcements have been brought in by helicopter

https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Artemivsk&src=hash

Lemanrussland wrote:Oh they can fuck off.

"We want to be part of Russia! We are Russians! Russia strong!

[...]

Wait, Moldova you can't do that! Don't leave us!"

If that happened (not that it will, most likely Moldova will just seek EU membership at some point), and they complained, they can go pound sand for all I care.

Transinistria or whatever the fuck it's called, can't be part of Russia, no matter how much they want it. Russia doesn't have any links to it over land or even through the sea, unlike with Kaliningrad. It's better off being either what it is now or being an autonomous republic under Moldovan protection/semi-administration.

Oh, and Moldova joining the EU is a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time down the track.