Same-sex couples Co-adoption : Portuguese Parliament says NO

[Sun Wukong]

So, by your logic, these people should not be allowed to have children.

i wouldn't draw the line that far...

But you're perfectly willing to draw that line for homosexual parents. Even though the biggest determining factor for a child's future success statistically is their parent's income.

Just like with the "gay people can't make babies" rhetoric. You're not willing to apply this logic consistently. The argument applies only when it's homosexuals.

And then you wonder why we call you bigoted.

[Vashta Nerada]

It would be a great idea for portuguese homossexuals to start a larger community. Take the concept of gay village further. They could take a less populated countryside county to live according their laws and culture, and leave the rest of the country alone.
They could called it the Portugayse Republic.
Of course there would be a surplus of dancers and hairdressers, but no place is perfect.

I would be happy to support that. And then in twenty, thirty years time, when the population has dropped through the floor, Portugal can just reclaim the land.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

But in most regions of the world, Africa excluded, homosexuals were embraced.

Actually there was pederasty by around Cameroon/Central African Republic and same-sex marriage in the Kingdom of Kongo, that gave origin to modern-day Angola.

Up to the 19th century most of the known openly transgender people in Brazil came from there and they influenced significantly the culture of our LGBT community. Afro-Brazilian religions are the most tolerant to sexuality and gender identity/expression uniqueness, and our "dialect" shares roots with their sacred version of the Yoruba language, ironically spoken in its majority version as the dominant native language of Nigeria.

[Vashta Nerada]

i wouldn't draw the line that far...

But you're perfectly willing to draw that line for homosexual parents. Even though the biggest determining factor for a child's future success statistically is their parent's income.

Just like with the "gay people can't make babies" rhetoric. You're not willing to apply this logic consistently. The argument applies only when it's homosexuals.

And then you wonder why we call you bigoted.

Well, logically, they can't. Last I read, the only way to have babies naturally, is through sexual intercourse between a man and a woman. Unless homosexuals have an IVF labs in the area, or an IVF generator in their bodies, I don't see how they'd be able to reproduce naturally.

[God Kefka]

i wouldn't draw the line that far...

But you're perfectly willing to draw that line for homosexual parents. Even though the biggest determining factor for a child's future success statistically is their parent's income.

Just like with the "gay people can't make babies" rhetoric. You're not willing to apply this logic consistently. The argument applies only when it's homosexuals.

And then you wonder why we call you bigoted.

i think most people would agree that they are like to face less discrimination having poor parents than gay parents...

[Sdaeriji]

But you're perfectly willing to draw that line for homosexual parents. Even though the biggest determining factor for a child's future success statistically is their parent's income.

Just like with the "gay people can't make babies" rhetoric. You're not willing to apply this logic consistently. The argument applies only when it's homosexuals.

And then you wonder why we call you bigoted.

i think most people would agree that they are like to face less discrimination having poor parents than gay parents...

I think you are wrong.

[Sdaeriji]

But you're perfectly willing to draw that line for homosexual parents. Even though the biggest determining factor for a child's future success statistically is their parent's income.

Just like with the "gay people can't make babies" rhetoric. You're not willing to apply this logic consistently. The argument applies only when it's homosexuals.

And then you wonder why we call you bigoted.

Well, logically, they can't. Last I read, the only way to have babies naturally, is through sexual intercourse between a man and a woman. Unless homosexuals have an IVF labs in the area, or an IVF generator in their bodies, I don't see how they'd be able to reproduce naturally.

Do gay penises not fit in gay vaginas?

[Vashta Nerada]

But in most regions of the world, Africa excluded, homosexuals were embraced.

Actually there was pederasty by around Cameroon/Central African Republic and same-sex marriage in the Kingdom of Kongo, that gave origin to modern-day Angola.

Up to the 19th century most of the known openly transgender people in Brazil came from there and they influenced significantly the culture of our LGBT community. Afro-Brazilian religions are the most tolerant to sexuality and gender identity/expression uniqueness, and our "dialect" shares roots with their sacred version of the Yoruba language, ironically spoken in its majority version as the dominant native language of Nigeria.

So you have two, maybe three examples from regions that have traditionally been the least populated, and least influential in Africa. From what I remember, the Yoruba have always been against homosexuality, so it would only make sense that an off-shoot of tribals permitting the act would form, especially if their people ostracized them and rebuked them from society.

[Vashta Nerada]

Well, logically, they can't. Last I read, the only way to have babies naturally, is through sexual intercourse between a man and a woman. Unless homosexuals have an IVF labs in the area, or an IVF generator in their bodies, I don't see how they'd be able to reproduce naturally.

Do gay penises not fit in gay vaginas?

They can, but I was under the impression that gay penises only fitted into gay anuses? Why the change?

[Wisconsin9]

But you're perfectly willing to draw that line for homosexual parents. Even though the biggest determining factor for a child's future success statistically is their parent's income.

Just like with the "gay people can't make babies" rhetoric. You're not willing to apply this logic consistently. The argument applies only when it's homosexuals.

And then you wonder why we call you bigoted.

Well, logically, they can't. Last I read, the only way to have babies naturally, is through sexual intercourse between a man and a woman. Unless homosexuals have an IVF labs in the area, or an IVF generator in their bodies, I don't see how they'd be able to reproduce naturally.

Why does it being natural matter?

[Vashta Nerada]

i think most people would agree that they are like to face less discrimination having poor parents than gay parents...

I think you are wrong.

So would you have a source to back up this claim that Kefka is wrong?

[Sdaeriji]

Do gay penises not fit in gay vaginas?

They can, but I was under the impression that gay penises only fitted into gay anuses? Why the change?

Seems they can reproduce naturally, then.

[God Kefka]

i think most people would agree that they are like to face less discrimination having poor parents than gay parents...

I think you are wrong.

I'll take slightly poorer parents over gay parents... yeah

[Sdaeriji]

I think you are wrong.

I'll take slightly poorer parents over gay parents... yeah

No, you would not.

[Hurdegaryp]

Clearly you are unhindered by a broader view of history. The punishment for homosexuality in many Christian countries was often death in previous centuries. But let knowledge not hinder your hatred.

I think it's cute you call my opposition to homosexuality hatred. Only the most ignorant of people would make that statement (often those with the most lose). Perhaps I should clarify. I have no issue with the person, but the act is what I oppose. Gays and lesbians knew very well the punishment for coming out as who they were in such societies. But in most regions of the world, Africa excluded, homosexuals were embraced. Such places included East Asia, Polynesia, South America, and North America. My view of history is quite clear. My tolerance for those trying to strong arm me into accepting something I view as unacceptable, however, is limited.

So you're trying to justify your bigotry by claiming you're just following religious morality? That would be the same religious morality that had no problem with slavery at all.

[Vashta Nerada]

Well, logically, they can't. Last I read, the only way to have babies naturally, is through sexual intercourse between a man and a woman. Unless homosexuals have an IVF labs in the area, or an IVF generator in their bodies, I don't see how they'd be able to reproduce naturally.

Why does it being natural matter?

Um, because if the evolutionists are correct, there is only one natural way for humans to reproduce outside of a lab, the later be artificial. So unless that prehistorical society had some frozen sperm hanging around in their caves, I don't believe there is any natural way for gays to reproduce outside of a modern society. So I think it matters a lot.

[Britanno]

Bad news.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

So you have two, maybe three examples from regions that have traditionally been the least populated, and least influential in Africa. From what I remember, the Yoruba have always been against homosexuality, so it would only make sense that an off-shoot of tribals permitting the act would form, especially if their people ostracized them and rebuked them from society.

Heterosexism emerges from certain kinds of gender roles, and to imply that all of Africa would be homophobic would imply an extreme form of ignorance about the continent's original cultural diversity akin to pre-discovery America.

Indeed, but this was washed out on their way to Brazil since they were forced to abandon all of the Muslim faith and its elements. Once they were not subdued by the colonizer's religion anymore, the religion with West African roots also embrace elements of the very wide Bantu diversity that was imported.

In Ancient Egypt - maybe you don't think it is quite what you intend as African, but whatever - that was preeeetty gendered, they [not surprisingly IMO] had same-sex marriages too, and were among the first at that, mind you.

[Vashta Nerada]

I think it's cute you call my opposition to homosexuality hatred. Only the most ignorant of people would make that statement (often those with the most lose). Perhaps I should clarify. I have no issue with the person, but the act is what I oppose. Gays and lesbians knew very well the punishment for coming out as who they were in such societies. But in most regions of the world, Africa excluded, homosexuals were embraced. Such places included East Asia, Polynesia, South America, and North America. My view of history is quite clear. My tolerance for those trying to strong arm me into accepting something I view as unacceptable, however, is limited.

So you're trying to justify your bigotry by claiming you're just following religious morality? That would be the same religious morality that had no problem with slavery at all.

I don't believe I used any religious justification for my stance. In fact, I don't believe I even told you my religious beliefs. You see what you want to see apparently. And I think it's equally bigoted of you to deny me my stance simply because I won't accept homosexuality as "moral".

[Novo Portugal]

Bad news.

Two years max and it's legal, don't worry.

[God Kefka]

I'll take slightly poorer parents over gay parents... yeah

No, you would not.

Lady Olena: ''As an expert on myself I must disagree.''

[Wisconsin9]

Why does it being natural matter?

Um, because if the evolutionists are correct, there is only one natural way for humans to reproduce outside of a lab, the later be artificial. So unless that prehistorical society had some frozen sperm hanging around in their caves, I don't believe there is any natural way for gays to reproduce outside of a modern society. So I think it matters a lot.

I know where babies come from, thanks. You still haven't explained why it matters whether it's natural or not.

[Hurdegaryp]

So you're trying to justify your bigotry by claiming you're just following religious morality? That would be the same religious morality that had no problem with slavery at all.

I don't believe I used any religious justification for my stance. In fact, I don't believe I even told you my religious beliefs. You see what you want to see apparently. And I think it's equally bigoted of you to deny me my stance simply because I won't accept homosexuality as "moral".

Which is a typical religious doctrine. And you just admitted that you have religious beliefs, which indeed fits the picture.

[Korkika]

Bad news.

Two years Max Barry and it's legal, don't worry.

Couldn't resist.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Um, because if the evolutionists are correct, there is only one natural way for humans to reproduce outside of a lab, the later be artificial. So unless that prehistorical society had some frozen sperm hanging around in their caves, I don't believe there is any natural way for gays to reproduce outside of a modern society. So I think it matters a lot.

This thread is about stepparent adoption.

So, to put it in pre-History terms, you screw someone equivalent to your wife, then you guys separate, you got more resources, and "marry" another guy, and it is agreed (or forced) that your child[ren] will follow you.

This is not abnormal or unusual, at all. Bisexuality is pretty common.