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by Solaray » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:36 pm
by The Scientific States » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:36 pm
by United Marxist Nations » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:37 pm
The Kievan People wrote: United Marxist Nations: A prayer for every soul, a plan for every economy and a waifu for every man. Solid.
St. John Chrysostom wrote:A comprehended God is no God.
by The Scientific States » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:38 pm
United Marxist Nations wrote:The Scientific States wrote:
If you refuse to work, you will likely become eligible for food stamps and welfare.
And how many can you get onto that before such a program becomes unstable? Hmm? Also, you usually do have to work for welfare, it was built into the original law. And, as I said, not at all fucking substantial.
by Ponderosa » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:39 pm
The Liberated Territories wrote:Perhaps the most often debated topic between the left and the right (economically speaking) is the idea that capitalism is naturally coercive, and that under a capitalist system people cannot fully truly be free, or have no choices in the terms of their conditions made in the system.
So what say ye, denizens of Nationstates. Is capitalism naturally coercive?
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by Alyakia » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:39 pm
The Liberated Territories wrote:Stovokor wrote:
To respond to you OP, ultimately yes. capitalism as an economic system is ultimately harmful to the human condition, a major issue with capitalism is that it tends to dehumanize it's working class, and ultimately cases inequality, in any cases not because someone worked harder but simply because of status and connections to wealth. If unregulated, capitalism has the habit of ultimately destroying competition and results in the creation of a mega-corporations and economic blocs, as well as a trans-national class that can be considered the modern power elite.
However, with that said, I cannot in good faith suggest anything better, simply a highly regulated capitalistic economy with socially funded programs.
Couldn't monopolies not naturally break themselves up after enough time/pressure? For even the largest corporation it takes in a large pool of resources to sustain itself, and even a small business that is more resourceful could outcompete a large monopoly simply due to the fact that small businesses can be more flexible. Similar to governments, I believe.
by Tubbsalot » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:40 pm
by The Liberated Territories » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:40 pm
by Margno » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:40 pm
by United Marxist Nations » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:40 pm
The Scientific States wrote:United Marxist Nations wrote:And how many can you get onto that before such a program becomes unstable? Hmm? Also, you usually do have to work for welfare, it was built into the original law. And, as I said, not at all fucking substantial.
It's not. But, explain to me how other systems aren't somewhat coercive.
The Kievan People wrote: United Marxist Nations: A prayer for every soul, a plan for every economy and a waifu for every man. Solid.
St. John Chrysostom wrote:A comprehended God is no God.
by The Scientific States » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:41 pm
by The Scientific States » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:41 pm
by United Marxist Nations » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:42 pm
The Kievan People wrote: United Marxist Nations: A prayer for every soul, a plan for every economy and a waifu for every man. Solid.
St. John Chrysostom wrote:A comprehended God is no God.
by The Liberated Territories » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:42 pm
Ponderosa wrote:The Liberated Territories wrote:Perhaps the most often debated topic between the left and the right (economically speaking) is the idea that capitalism is naturally coercive, and that under a capitalist system people cannot fully truly be free, or have no choices in the terms of their conditions made in the system.
I don't think this is debated as often as you think it is.So what say ye, denizens of Nationstates. Is capitalism naturally coercive?
No.
by The Scientific States » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:42 pm
by Stovokor » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:43 pm
The Scientific States wrote:Stovokor wrote:
To respond to you OP, ultimately yes. capitalism as an economic system is ultimately harmful to the human condition, a major issue with capitalism is that it tends to dehumanize it's working class, and ultimately cases inequality, in any cases not because someone worked harder but simply because of status and connections to wealth. If unregulated, capitalism has the habit of ultimately destroying competition and results in the creation of a mega-corporations and economic blocs, as well as a trans-national class that can be considered the modern power elite.
However, with that said, I cannot in good faith suggest anything better, simply a highly regulated capitalistic economy with socially funded programs.
That's still capitalism.
The Liberated Territories wrote:Stovokor wrote:
To respond to you OP, ultimately yes. capitalism as an economic system is ultimately harmful to the human condition, a major issue with capitalism is that it tends to dehumanize it's working class, and ultimately cases inequality, in any cases not because someone worked harder but simply because of status and connections to wealth. If unregulated, capitalism has the habit of ultimately destroying competition and results in the creation of a mega-corporations and economic blocs, as well as a trans-national class that can be considered the modern power elite.
However, with that said, I cannot in good faith suggest anything better, simply a highly regulated capitalistic economy with socially funded programs.
Couldn't monopolies not naturally break themselves up after enough time/pressure? For even the largest corporation it takes in a large pool of resources to sustain itself, and even a small business that is more resourceful could outcompete a large monopoly simply due to the fact that small businesses can be more flexible. Similar to governments, I believe.
by United Marxist Nations » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:43 pm
The Kievan People wrote: United Marxist Nations: A prayer for every soul, a plan for every economy and a waifu for every man. Solid.
St. John Chrysostom wrote:A comprehended God is no God.
by Tubbsalot » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:44 pm
United Marxist Nations wrote:Under socialism, you work for your own benefit, not the benefit of some factory owner.
by Ponderosa » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:44 pm
Retired WerePenguins wrote:That's the one thing I like about the WA; it allows me to shove my moral compass up your legislative branch, assuming a majority agrees.
Steve Prefontaine wrote:The best pace is a suicide pace, and today is a good day to die.
Christopher Hitchens wrote:Never be a spectator of unfairness or stupidity. Seek out argument and disputation for their own sake; the grave will supply plenty of time for silence.
by United Marxist Nations » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:45 pm
The Kievan People wrote: United Marxist Nations: A prayer for every soul, a plan for every economy and a waifu for every man. Solid.
St. John Chrysostom wrote:A comprehended God is no God.
by The Scientific States » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:45 pm
by United Marxist Nations » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:45 pm
The Kievan People wrote: United Marxist Nations: A prayer for every soul, a plan for every economy and a waifu for every man. Solid.
St. John Chrysostom wrote:A comprehended God is no God.
by Solaray » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:46 pm
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