NATION

PASSWORD

Is the word "slut" inherently misogynist?

For discussion and debate about anything. (Not a roleplay related forum; out-of-character commentary only.)
User avatar
NotSoDistantUtopia
Lobbyist
 
Posts: 16
Founded: Mar 02, 2014
Ex-Nation

Is the word "slut" inherently misogynist?

Postby NotSoDistantUtopia » Mon Mar 03, 2014 5:51 pm

The word implies a woman is a bad person for sleeping with many partners, something that is completely okay for men to do. Hence the double standards, or misogyny. However, I am torn. What if she sleeps with many partners without a condom, then gives her next boyfriend an STD? What if she cheats? I hesitate to call her a slut, but that is exactly the word that comes into my mind. Now, I am no misogynist. I would never hurt a woman or treat her with disrespect. But I can't help this feeling I have that some women may be sluts, even with the inherent misogynist tone. What do you think? Is there a line to be drawn, or is the word slut simply wrong in all contexts?

User avatar
Stagnant Axon Terminal
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 16621
Founded: Feb 24, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Stagnant Axon Terminal » Mon Mar 03, 2014 5:53 pm

Yes, it is inherently misogynistic. If you call a woman a slut in front of me I will punch you.
TET's resident state assessment exam
My sworn enemy is the Toyota 4Runner
I scream a lot.
Also, I'm gonna fuck your girlfriend.
Nanatsu No Tsuki wrote:the fetus will never eat cake if you abort it

Cu Math wrote:Axon is like a bear with a PH.D. She debates at first, then eats your face.
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:THE MAN'S PENIS HAS LEFT THE VAGINA. IT'S THE UTERUS'S TURN TO SHINE.

User avatar
Ashmoria
Post Czar
 
Posts: 46718
Founded: Mar 19, 2004
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Ashmoria » Mon Mar 03, 2014 5:53 pm

so you think its OK as long as the slut really is a slut?
whatever

User avatar
Ganja-Lord Tupac
Envoy
 
Posts: 272
Founded: Jan 29, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Ganja-Lord Tupac » Mon Mar 03, 2014 5:53 pm

You have to take into account some girls like being called a slut, but it's a societal cancer that will just be there.
Hi. I'm Lucas. I don't even listen to Rap.
If I was a Rapper,I wouldn't even need words to Rap.
I'm a NSG Senator, but I plan on making a legitimate country soon.This one is kindasortareally a joke.

#genocide
#killallpeople
#AIDS
If you use latin phrases, forget you. I hate Latin phrases, and the people who use them like a religion.

User avatar
United Marxist Nations
Post Czar
 
Posts: 33804
Founded: Dec 02, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby United Marxist Nations » Mon Mar 03, 2014 5:53 pm

The word it; however, it would be a stretch to say that the meaning is. I tend to not like promiscuous people of either sex or gender.
The Kievan People wrote: United Marxist Nations: A prayer for every soul, a plan for every economy and a waifu for every man. Solid.

Eastern Orthodox Catechumen. Religious communitarian with Sorelian, Marxist, and Traditionalist influences. Sympathies toward Sunni Islam. All flags/avatars are chosen for aesthetic or humor purposes only
An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded.
St. John Chrysostom wrote:A comprehended God is no God.

User avatar
Degenerate Heart of HetRio
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 10600
Founded: Feb 12, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Mon Mar 03, 2014 5:54 pm

Gay guys use it to refer to ourselves and quite often in a non-derogatory way, often even in a sex-positive/kink-positive reappropriation.

I don't know though if that is an excuse, because porn is still bad according to some "feminists" even if all involved are men.
Pro: Communism/anarchism, Indigenous rights, MOGAI stuff, bodily autonomy, disability rights, environmentalism
Meh: Animal rights, non-harmful religion/superstition, militant atheism, left-leaning reform of capitalism
Anti: Dyadic superstructure (sex-gender birth designation and hierarchy), positivism, conservatism, imperialism, Zionism, Orientalism, fascism, religious right, bending to reactionary concerns before freedom/common concern, fraudulent beliefs and ideologies

Formerly "Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro".

Compass: -10.00, -9.13
S-E Ideology: Demc. Socialist (92% ditto/Marxist, 75% Anarchist/Social democrat, 0% etc)
S-E school of thought: Communist (100% ditto, 96% Post-Keynesian)

Though this says I'm a social democrat, I'm largely a left communist.

User avatar
OMGeverynameistaken
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 12437
Founded: Jun 24, 2009
Ex-Nation

Postby OMGeverynameistaken » Mon Mar 03, 2014 5:56 pm

What about "harlot"? Can we still use that? It sounds a lot more classy than slut.
I AM DISAPPOINTED

User avatar
NotSoDistantUtopia
Lobbyist
 
Posts: 16
Founded: Mar 02, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby NotSoDistantUtopia » Mon Mar 03, 2014 5:56 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
because porn is still bad according to some "feminists" even if all involved are men.


How can porn be bad? It is sexually liberating for women.

User avatar
Degenerate Heart of HetRio
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 10600
Founded: Feb 12, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Mon Mar 03, 2014 5:57 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:I tend to not like promiscuous people of either sex or gender.

But what is promiscuity exactly? Where do we draw boundaries? What if what was socially expected from everybody sexually active was more libertine than modern-day standards, would the reasons to dislike it be the same and by the same levels?
Pro: Communism/anarchism, Indigenous rights, MOGAI stuff, bodily autonomy, disability rights, environmentalism
Meh: Animal rights, non-harmful religion/superstition, militant atheism, left-leaning reform of capitalism
Anti: Dyadic superstructure (sex-gender birth designation and hierarchy), positivism, conservatism, imperialism, Zionism, Orientalism, fascism, religious right, bending to reactionary concerns before freedom/common concern, fraudulent beliefs and ideologies

Formerly "Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro".

Compass: -10.00, -9.13
S-E Ideology: Demc. Socialist (92% ditto/Marxist, 75% Anarchist/Social democrat, 0% etc)
S-E school of thought: Communist (100% ditto, 96% Post-Keynesian)

Though this says I'm a social democrat, I'm largely a left communist.

User avatar
Stovokor
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1109
Founded: Dec 14, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Stovokor » Mon Mar 03, 2014 5:57 pm

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
If i'm responding to you directly, it is generally safe to disregard everything that was said and assume i'm calling you a twit.
I Roleplay as such my nation is not a representation of my political, economic, and spiritual beliefs.

Economic Left/Right: 1.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.92

User avatar
Aurulence
Attaché
 
Posts: 70
Founded: Jan 24, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Aurulence » Mon Mar 03, 2014 5:57 pm

I think that the word is inherently misogynistic for the reasons you mentioned. I mean, there are plenty of adjectives and words to use to describe someone who's irresponsibly having sex that don't add that layer of gendered stigma.
personal
I guess I go by Mirza.
I'm a minority within a minority:
American-Muslim & some form of queer
Political Compass

~NS related
eventually I'll have stuff to put here?

Oscar Wilde wrote:“The books that the world calls immoral are books that show the world its own shame.”

User avatar
Stagnant Axon Terminal
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 16621
Founded: Feb 24, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Stagnant Axon Terminal » Mon Mar 03, 2014 5:57 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Gay guys use it to refer to ourselves and quite often in a non-derogatory way, often even in a sex-positive/kink-positive reappropriation.

I don't know though if that is an excuse, because porn is still bad according to some "feminists" even if all involved are men.

Just because a small group of people use a word in a way that isn't the same as the the way the rest of the population uses it does not make it better.
If you ask "what is a slut" to a large group of people, they will say "A woman who has too much sex."
A woman. Only a woman. There IS NO equivalent for men, because it's only bad if a woman has sex, apparently.
And no, "Juggalo" and "pimp" and "playa" do not have the same negative connotation at all.
TET's resident state assessment exam
My sworn enemy is the Toyota 4Runner
I scream a lot.
Also, I'm gonna fuck your girlfriend.
Nanatsu No Tsuki wrote:the fetus will never eat cake if you abort it

Cu Math wrote:Axon is like a bear with a PH.D. She debates at first, then eats your face.
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:THE MAN'S PENIS HAS LEFT THE VAGINA. IT'S THE UTERUS'S TURN TO SHINE.

User avatar
Greater-London
Senator
 
Posts: 3791
Founded: Nov 30, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Greater-London » Mon Mar 03, 2014 5:57 pm

It doesn't need to imply women are bad for have lots of sexual partners - although it does normally have a negative connotation. I feel like its a word that can be reclaimed much like black people reclaiming the word nigger. There is of course nothing wrong of anyone of any gender having none or scores of sexual partners, on account of it being there body and junk.
Last edited by Greater-London on Mon Mar 03, 2014 5:59 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Born in Cambridge in 1993, just graduated with a 2.1 in Politics and International Relations from the University of Manchester - WHICH IS SICK

PRO: British Unionism, Commonwealth, Liberalism, Federalism, Palestine, NHS, Decriminalizing Drugs, West Ham UTD , Garage Music &, Lager
ANTI: EU, Smoking Ban, Tuition Fees, Conservatism, Crypto-Fascist lefties, Hypocrisy, Religious Fanaticism, Religion Bashing & Armchair activists

Economic Left/Right: 0.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.87

User avatar
NotSoDistantUtopia
Lobbyist
 
Posts: 16
Founded: Mar 02, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby NotSoDistantUtopia » Mon Mar 03, 2014 5:58 pm

Aurulence wrote:I think that the word is inherently misogynistic for the reasons you mentioned. I mean, there are plenty of adjectives and words to use to describe someone who's irresponsibly having sex that don't add that layer of gendered stigma.


That is true.

User avatar
Degenerate Heart of HetRio
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 10600
Founded: Feb 12, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Mon Mar 03, 2014 5:58 pm

NotSoDistantUtopia wrote:How can porn be bad? It is sexually liberating for women.

Ask the trans-exclusionary radical feminists that I trolled 2 weeks ago...
Pro: Communism/anarchism, Indigenous rights, MOGAI stuff, bodily autonomy, disability rights, environmentalism
Meh: Animal rights, non-harmful religion/superstition, militant atheism, left-leaning reform of capitalism
Anti: Dyadic superstructure (sex-gender birth designation and hierarchy), positivism, conservatism, imperialism, Zionism, Orientalism, fascism, religious right, bending to reactionary concerns before freedom/common concern, fraudulent beliefs and ideologies

Formerly "Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro".

Compass: -10.00, -9.13
S-E Ideology: Demc. Socialist (92% ditto/Marxist, 75% Anarchist/Social democrat, 0% etc)
S-E school of thought: Communist (100% ditto, 96% Post-Keynesian)

Though this says I'm a social democrat, I'm largely a left communist.

User avatar
Nanatsu no Tsuki
Post-Apocalypse Survivor
 
Posts: 203930
Founded: Feb 10, 2008
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Mon Mar 03, 2014 5:59 pm

Yes, it is. Regardless of whether you think the woman is sleeping around or not. It's an insult. It's misogynistic. You shouldn't use it.
Last edited by Nanatsu no Tsuki on Mon Mar 03, 2014 6:01 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Slava Ukraini
Also: THERNSY!!
Your story isn't over;֍Help save transgender people's lives֍Help for feral cats
Cat with internet access||Supposedly heartless, & a d*ck.||Is maith an t-earra an tsíocháin.||No TGs
RIP: Dyakovo & Ashmoria

User avatar
United Marxist Nations
Post Czar
 
Posts: 33804
Founded: Dec 02, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby United Marxist Nations » Mon Mar 03, 2014 6:01 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:I tend to not like promiscuous people of either sex or gender.

But what is promiscuity exactly? Where do we draw boundaries? What if what was socially expected from everybody sexually active was more libertine than modern-day standards, would the reasons to dislike it be the same and by the same levels?

What everyone decides is too promiscuous is entirely a personal matter.
The Kievan People wrote: United Marxist Nations: A prayer for every soul, a plan for every economy and a waifu for every man. Solid.

Eastern Orthodox Catechumen. Religious communitarian with Sorelian, Marxist, and Traditionalist influences. Sympathies toward Sunni Islam. All flags/avatars are chosen for aesthetic or humor purposes only
An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded.
St. John Chrysostom wrote:A comprehended God is no God.

User avatar
Verdum
Negotiator
 
Posts: 6119
Founded: Aug 19, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Verdum » Mon Mar 03, 2014 6:01 pm

Unless they are actually a slut, so call her a slut because...well...
She is a damn slut.
(Not referring to girls in general, though I would add that before the Mod team mugs me over the internet.)
Last edited by Verdum on Mon Mar 03, 2014 6:01 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
Cetacea
Negotiator
 
Posts: 6539
Founded: Apr 27, 2012
Ex-Nation

Postby Cetacea » Mon Mar 03, 2014 6:01 pm

Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:Yes, it is inherently misogynistic. If you call a woman a slut in front of me I will punch you.


What if I call a guy a Slut?

While I acknowledge that the term is associated primarily with promiscuous women in my social circle the term is used without gender bias so it is possible to be a male slut. Of course Promiscuity isn't considered bad in my social circle either, so maybe thats a thing.

I have also noticed a tendency for some young woman (late teens- 20's) to self label as Slut as something of a badge of pride. Most such girls are what my social circle would refer to as Skanking-Ho dogs:P

User avatar
NotSoDistantUtopia
Lobbyist
 
Posts: 16
Founded: Mar 02, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby NotSoDistantUtopia » Mon Mar 03, 2014 6:01 pm

Stovokor wrote:Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.


So when is it okay to use? Why do you think it is not misogyny?

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
NotSoDistantUtopia wrote:How can porn be bad? It is sexually liberating for women.

Ask the trans-exclusionary radical feminists that I trolled 2 weeks ago...


Haha. Nah I'm good.

User avatar
Nanatsu no Tsuki
Post-Apocalypse Survivor
 
Posts: 203930
Founded: Feb 10, 2008
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Mon Mar 03, 2014 6:02 pm

Verdum wrote:Unless they are actually a slut, so call her a slut because...well...
She is a damn slut.
(Not referring to girls in general, though I would add that before the Mod team mugs me over the internet.)


Why is that necessary, at all?
Slava Ukraini
Also: THERNSY!!
Your story isn't over;֍Help save transgender people's lives֍Help for feral cats
Cat with internet access||Supposedly heartless, & a d*ck.||Is maith an t-earra an tsíocháin.||No TGs
RIP: Dyakovo & Ashmoria

User avatar
Tahar Joblis
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 9290
Founded: Antiquity
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Tahar Joblis » Mon Mar 03, 2014 6:02 pm

"Slut" is, at present, a word that is used to refer to both men and women. For a little while, "man-slut" was in currency, but has largely just been replaced by "slut" among the fashionable set.

Much like "author," it has lost its gendering, and could very well be deployed by misandrists exercising a double standard to disapprove of male promiscuity while approving of female promiscuity.

User avatar
Stagnant Axon Terminal
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 16621
Founded: Feb 24, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Stagnant Axon Terminal » Mon Mar 03, 2014 6:02 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
NotSoDistantUtopia wrote:How can porn be bad? It is sexually liberating for women.

Ask the trans-exclusionary radical feminists that I trolled 2 weeks ago...

Trans-exclusionary feminists and feminists who conveniently forget about the existence of POC are theeeee worst.
TET's resident state assessment exam
My sworn enemy is the Toyota 4Runner
I scream a lot.
Also, I'm gonna fuck your girlfriend.
Nanatsu No Tsuki wrote:the fetus will never eat cake if you abort it

Cu Math wrote:Axon is like a bear with a PH.D. She debates at first, then eats your face.
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:THE MAN'S PENIS HAS LEFT THE VAGINA. IT'S THE UTERUS'S TURN TO SHINE.

User avatar
Degenerate Heart of HetRio
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 10600
Founded: Feb 12, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Mon Mar 03, 2014 6:03 pm

Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:Just because a small group of people use a word in a way that isn't the same as the the way the rest of the population uses it does not make it better.
If you ask "what is a slut" to a large group of people, they will say "A woman who has too much sex."
A woman. Only a woman. There IS NO equivalent for men, because it's only bad if a woman has sex, apparently.
And no, "Juggalo" and "pimp" and "playa" do not have the same negative connotation at all.

Yes, I know. AFAIK both slut and whore loosely translate into Spanish and Brazilian Portuguese as puta... And there aren't words for promiscuous men that are negative here either, actually there is a comparison of people with keys and locks that gets in my nerves.

There are affectionate and liberating ways to use puta, though indeed something that by my standards you can't use at a woman unless you know her very well, very playfully doing so. :unsure:
Pro: Communism/anarchism, Indigenous rights, MOGAI stuff, bodily autonomy, disability rights, environmentalism
Meh: Animal rights, non-harmful religion/superstition, militant atheism, left-leaning reform of capitalism
Anti: Dyadic superstructure (sex-gender birth designation and hierarchy), positivism, conservatism, imperialism, Zionism, Orientalism, fascism, religious right, bending to reactionary concerns before freedom/common concern, fraudulent beliefs and ideologies

Formerly "Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro".

Compass: -10.00, -9.13
S-E Ideology: Demc. Socialist (92% ditto/Marxist, 75% Anarchist/Social democrat, 0% etc)
S-E school of thought: Communist (100% ditto, 96% Post-Keynesian)

Though this says I'm a social democrat, I'm largely a left communist.

User avatar
Krazakistan
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5230
Founded: May 01, 2012
Ex-Nation

Postby Krazakistan » Mon Mar 03, 2014 6:03 pm

Yes, the word slut, in my opinion, is inherently misogynist. If a woman makes a choice to sleep with many men who are of legal age and consent to the sex then I have no problem with it. It goes the same for men who choose to have consensual sex with many women.

Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:Yes, it is inherently misogynistic. If you call a woman a slut in front of me I will punch you.


That's bit much for a simple insult, now isn't it?
Secularism, restricted immigration policy, against affirmative action, voter ID laws, gun rights, democracy, free-market capitalism, egalitarianism, nationalism, and lastly, Rhodesia > Zimbabwe

Political Compass:
Economic Left/Right: 6.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.56
"On the other hand, and let's face it, there's always another hand, unless you're a Saudi Arabian shoplifter of course, hurt feelings can be quite traumatic. I've heard that it can take seconds, sometimes even minutes, to get over it" ~ Pat Condell

"Communism works only in heaven, where they don't need it, and in hell, where they've already got it." ~ Ronald Reagan

"Communism was a mistake" ~ (((((((((Karl Marx)))))))))
CANT STUMP THE TRUMP

Next

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to General

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Aadhiris, Aggicificicerous, Almonaster Nuevo, Celritannia, Cyptopir, Czechostan, Dimetrodon Empire, Glorious Freedonia, Hurdergaryp, Kerwa, Kreushia, Lothria, Maximum Imperium Rex, Nu Elysium, Orcland, Port Carverton, Rodmenia, Soul Reapers, St Clements Island, Tiami, Tungstan, Valyxias, Western Theram

Advertisement

Remove ads