UK general election poll

[The Nihilistic view]

Uhhh Dianne Abbott, how she stands for the working class I find it hard to believe she means it. Rather like I got two jags Prescott.

Do elaborate. By the way, I did say, critically, Dianne Abbot is one of the few left-Labourites that opposes cuts to services many of her working class constituents rely on.

Oh yes she pay's plenty of lip service before indulging in many of the practices of the Upper-middle class.

There have been plenty of Labour politicians I can, have and do respect but she most certainly is not one of them.

[Angleter]

I would critically support either John Mcdonnell, Jeremy Corbyn or Dianne Abbott if I was in their constituency's, since I'm not, I intend to spoil my ballot.

Uhhh Dianne Abbott, how she stands for the working class I find it hard to believe she means it. Rather like I got two jags Prescott.

Year 4 think so. So does their teacher.

[San]

Uhhh Dianne Abbott, how she stands for the working class I find it hard to believe she means it. Rather like I got two jags Prescott.

Year 4 think so. So does their teacher.

wtf even is that

[Socialist EU]

Do elaborate. By the way, I did say, critically, Dianne Abbot is one of the few left-Labourites that opposes cuts to services many of her working class constituents rely on.

Oh yes she pay's plenty of lip service before indulging in many of the practices of the Upper-middle class.

There have been plenty of Labour politicians I can, have and do respect but she most certainly is not one of them.

Who would these Labour politicians be? And what exactly does ' indulging in many of the practices of the Upper-middle class' actually mean? And many? Please do list this many practices.

[The Nihilistic view]

Uhhh Dianne Abbott, how she stands for the working class I find it hard to believe she means it. Rather like I got two jags Prescott.

Year 4 think so. So does their teacher.

It's late at night and it is only two or three taxi cabs. Oh and my son goes to private school.

I actually had the pleasure of watching this live at the time

[Socialist EU]

Year 4 think so. So does their teacher.

It's late at night and it is only two or three taxi cabs. Oh and my son goes to private school.

I actually had the pleasure of watching this live at the time

1. I'm still waiting for the 'indulging in the many practices' of the bourgeoisie part.
2. Your list of favoured Labour politicians.

[Cosszka]

I can understand how some people might agree with right-wing policy, we're all different, but I don't understand how you can knowingly support UKIP policy, or even that vile shit stain of a man who so defaces Britain's image in Europe by constantly releasing from his toxic mouth a tirade of anti-European xenophobia and prejudice (not that image matters, but it doesn't help relations in Europe when we have cumrags like Farrage speaking their minds). His politics are personal. He isn't looking out for the country. If UKIP are elected, which they most certainly won't be, all they'll serve to do is ruin the economy. They're a one policy party - what will they do after we're out of Europe? Impose their narrow-minded politics on the rest of us, because that's all right-wing ideology is. It's emphasis on the individual, it's emphasis on the right to make money more than the quality of life for its poorest citizens, and it's emphasis on downright degeneracy and an unregulated free market. This puts me in a sticky situation, because I'm all for freedom of speech and freedom of the individual (despite being a proponent of the collective views of syndicalism), but I hate that people believe this sort of thing.

Obviously my left-wing views have shone through here, but that's not to say I truly support any of the left-wing parties in the UK, much less any party for that matter. They're all a load of bollocks, they're all the fucking same. Labour is just the Red Conservatives, Lib-Dem are the Conservatives Lite, and all these other parties don't have a hope in hell for election, so what's even the point? I hold politics close to my heart, it's just a shame it's so fucking retarded. No one has any right to impose what they think upon others. It is painfully clear that I despise the right, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't defend your right to believe it.

Such a difficult topic to discuss without getting angry or seeming contradictory.

[Farnhamia]

I can understand how some people might agree with right-wing policy, we're all different, but I don't understand how you can knowingly support UKIP policy, or even that vile shit stain of a man who so defaces Britain's image in Europe by constantly releasing from his toxic mouth a tirade of anti-European xenophobia and prejudice (not that image matters, but it doesn't help relations in Europe when we have cumrags like Farrage speaking their minds). His politics are personal. He isn't looking out for the country. If UKIP are elected, which they most certainly won't be, all they'll serve to do is ruin the economy. They're a one policy party - what will they do after we're out of Europe? Impose their narrow-minded politics on the rest of us, because that's all right-wing ideology is. It's emphasis on the individual, it's emphasis on the right to make money more than the quality of life for its poorest citizens, and it's emphasis on downright degeneracy and an unregulated free market. This puts me in a sticky situation, because I'm all for freedom of speech and freedom of the individual (despite being a proponent of the collective views of syndicalism), but I hate that people believe this sort of thing.

Obviously my left-wing views have shone through here, but that's not to say I truly support any of the left-wing parties in the UK, much less any party for that matter. They're all a load of bollocks, they're all the fucking same. Labour is just the Red Conservatives, Lib-Dem are the Conservatives Lite, and all these other parties don't have a hope in hell for election, so what's even the point? I hold politics close to my heart, it's just a shame it's so fucking retarded. No one has any right to impose what they think upon others. It is painfully clear that I despise the right, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't defend your right to believe it.

Such a difficult topic to discuss without getting angry or seeming contradictory.

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[Socialist EU]

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I understand how you feel. The right is getting behind this idea that we have benefit tourists, (as if people expect to get rich off benefits- ukip are so 'libertarian' they oppose the freedom of movement of labour) or the conservatives new policy to curb 'health tourism' even though the NHS only uses 0.06% of its budget on immigrants and bureaucratically administering checks on this will cost more than the £12 million it will save.*

* New Statesman 'How much does "health tourism" really cost the NHS? It's not £2bn' - The Staggers'
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/20 ... -%C2%A32bn

[Mad Jack]

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This ruling was a joke right?

[Cosszka]

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This ruling was a joke right?

My thoughts exactly. I'm contesting the ever-loving shit out of this.

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[Great Kanem]

Labour.

Mostly because of Dennis Skinner

[Alf Landon]

Labour.

Mostly because of Dennis Skinner

Gotta love him. Makes you wonder who's going to carry on his Queen's Speech jokes, if anyone, when he eventually retires.

[Great Kanem]

The Commons will be a much poorer place when he does

[Glasgia]

Uhhh Dianne Abbott, how she stands for the working class I find it hard to believe she means it. Rather like I got two jags Prescott.

Year 4 think so. So does their teacher.

What are they saying in the verses? According to the comments it's all vile propaganda, but all I heard was a song about Britain's first black MP - Something that's more than reasonable to sing about, especially if they've been learning about black history or whatever.

*snip*

Gotta agree with everything you said about UKIP and, to a certain extent, the other parties. Would you consider the SNP (they have other policies than independence), TUSC or Greens though?

[Aboras]

Never saw the appeal of Diane Abbott. In fact, I'd prefer that she was out of office....

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/01/13/paintings-mps-diane-abbott-iain-duncan-smith_n_4588485.html

Love her, or hate her; you already paid for her £11,750 portrait.

[Cosszka]

Year 4 think so. So does their teacher.

What are they saying in the verses? According to the comments it's all vile propaganda, but all I heard was a song about Britain's first black MP - Something that's more than reasonable to sing about, especially if they've been learning about black history or whatever.

*snip*

Gotta agree with everything you said about UKIP and, to a certain extent, the other parties. Would you consider the SNP (they have other policies than independence), TUSC or Greens though?

I disagree with nationalism, or borders of any sort to be quite frank, so I wouldn't vote SNP based on that aspect. I guess that would also depend on whether or not I am Scottish. I'm also not too sure of their other policies, so I'd have to give them a read first. The Greens are left of centre, that much is true, but are largely a relatively useless one-policy party. A wasted vote, particularly in my constituency. TUSC is only applicable for local elections, and to my knowledge did not run for any seats down my way, though I could be wrong. I would also have to read up on their policies.

As I said in my first post several pages back, it'd probably end up being Mebyon Kernow; they're a party that seeks devolution to the southwest (a Cornish Assembly), and that is something I support. I don't support borders particularly, but I do support the fact that we would get greater representation down here, and policy which is important to us. It is a step closer to fewer borders, if you like.

[Glasgia]

What are they saying in the verses? According to the comments it's all vile propaganda, but all I heard was a song about Britain's first black MP - Something that's more than reasonable to sing about, especially if they've been learning about black history or whatever.



Gotta agree with everything you said about UKIP and, to a certain extent, the other parties. Would you consider the SNP (they have other policies than independence), TUSC or Greens though?

I disagree with nationalism, or borders of any sort to be quite frank, so I wouldn't vote SNP based on that aspect. I guess that would also depend on whether or not I am Scottish. I'm also not too sure of their other policies, so I'd have to give them a read first. The Greens are left of centre, that much is true, but are largely a relatively useless one-policy party. A wasted vote, particularly in my constituency. TUSC is only applicable for local elections, and to my knowledge did not run for any seats down my way, though I could be wrong. I would also have to read up on their policies.

As I said in my first post several pages back, it'd probably end up being Mebyon Kernow; they're a party that seeks devolution to the southwest (a Cornish Assembly), and that is something I support. I don't support borders particularly, but I do support the fact that we would get greater representation down here, and policy which is important to us. It is a step closer to fewer borders, if you like.

Aside from their obvious support for independence, which will be decided by the next election anyway, the SNP have replaced New Labour in upholding the principles of the traditional left wing - Worker's right, social welfare, trade unionism, etc. Though technically still a fairly broad church they've moved to the left under Salmond, previously expelled for trying to force the party further left as part of the '79 group, as Labour have shifted to the right.

I only mentioned the Greens as a possible alternative, not knowing your exact politics. I agree they appear to be a one issue party, but they're left wing and have a decent enough chance of winning some seats that a vote for them isn't as wasted as perhaps the TUSC. Though I thoroughly despise the TUSC's Euroscepticism, they appear to be the only truly Socialist party in Britain with a chance of winning a seat - Bar Respect, who I should also mention, but I'm alienated by Galloway's dodging of social issues.

Will look up Mebyon Kernow now, as I don't know tons about them.

[Glasgia]

And, as with before, here are our electoral calculus results right now:

372/204/43/20/10/1/0
31%/21%/9%/<1%/2%/20%/16%
+114/-103/-14/+1/+1/+1/+-0
LAB/CON/LIB/MIN/NAT/OTH

[Carto-Geography]

Are the Conservatives a British version of the Republican Party? Is the ideology the same as conservatism in the USA?

[Divair]

Are the Conservatives a British version of the Republican Party? Is the ideology the same as conservatism in the USA?

The Tories are basically Democrats.

[Aboras]

Still looking fairly good for Labour.

[Glasgia]

Are the Conservatives a British version of the Republican Party? Is the ideology the same as conservatism in the USA?

The Tories are basically Democrats.

Yeah. They describe themselves as Progressive Conservatives, but most Americans would likely translate their positions into standard Liberal yanks. UKIP are probably representative of the Tea Party, while Liberal Democrats would probably end up as the left wing of the Democrats. Labour members would've been purged by McCarthy or screamed at for being "Commies".

[Aboras]

The Tories are basically Democrats.

Yeah. They describe themselves as Progressive Conservatives, but most Americans would likely translate their positions into standard Liberal yanks. UKIP are probably representative of the Tea Party, while Liberal Democrats would probably end up as the left wing of the Democrats. Labour members would've been purged by McCarthy or screamed at for being "Commies".

I laughed at the last part, but it's true.

[Glasgia]

Yeah. They describe themselves as Progressive Conservatives, but most Americans would likely translate their positions into standard Liberal yanks. UKIP are probably representative of the Tea Party, while Liberal Democrats would probably end up as the left wing of the Democrats. Labour members would've been purged by McCarthy or screamed at for being "Commies".

I laughed at the last part, but it's true.

In the UK, they're often criticised for not truly standing for the working classes and having moved too far right. In Tennessee, y'all be goddamn Communists!