Philippines Discussion Thread

[Nationalist Eminral Republic]

Ningas kugon an attitude of Filipinos that isn't meant to last, our bad. I apologize in behalf of rational Filipinos.

In other news, RIP to the members of PNP-SAF killed in their line of duty. I do hope justice is served.

I don't think it's Ningas Cogon, though, since we only really had plans to do it for the papal visit anyway--a once in a season thing, you know, and not an actual permanent change in the state of things. And yes, may they rest in peace.

I understand where you're coming from. PNP has to make such preparations for the Pope's own safety. I guess I'm talking about the general attitude of the people during and after the visit. It seems like Christian values of our fellow Filipinos only rekindle when the Pope's around. If we are really observing Pope Francis' message, which is look after the poor, hunger and homelessness would be wiped out even without heavy government intervention. I too am guilty of that, and I wish to change that.

[Quirina]

What did we (Catholics) do when it comes to World War 2 history?

FIlipinos in WW2 were pro-American, even JP Laurel, that's why he's accused of no war crimes for his pro-Filipino anti-Japanese policies. Catholics were affected in the Japanese invasion severely (ex. unjust massacre on priests and clergy people) because of Jap's anti-West propaganda and bidding. So that pretty much says that Filipino Catholics can draw more grudge against Japan, while we don't understand why Japan hated U.S. specifically before the war happened (hey, the internet has everything, including the reason why Japan was pushed by US to attack first and as expected, US wants war and plays victim, and I know you saw these kind of scenarios).

Sorry, what? That statement's pretty far off from what either of us said.

And my points were what I said. I didn't have any specific p-o-v in my mind: I just wanted to check what you were saying, and for the point on communism, to prod you into revealing what you think communism is (because I'm pretty sure it's not the right meaning for communism you're talking about there).

There's no communism in the Philippines, only democratic socialists and far-left groups, Leninist, Marxists, dominantly Maoists who were incorrectly defined as "Communists", as I stated earlier, but again, total pinpoint-accurate communists don't exist here.

True communism is arguable, but for me it's an impossible utopia of universal equality and common sharing of resources with no system needed to exist or implemented. No proletarian revolutions, no red banners, nothing of that sh*t, thus, impossible. If we will dig deeper of it, we might end up going around circles of what it truly means, as it is an idea, not a reality shared with everyone in such a capitalist society as ours. I rest my case.

[The Republic of Pantalleria]

I don't think it's Ningas Cogon, though, since we only really had plans to do it for the papal visit anyway--a once in a season thing, you know, and not an actual permanent change in the state of things. And yes, may they rest in peace.

I understand where you're coming from. PNP has to make such preparations for the Pope's own safety. I guess I'm talking about the general attitude of the people during and after the visit. It seems like Christian values of our fellow Filipinos only rekindle when the Pope's around. If we are really observing Pope Francis' message, which is look after the poor, hunger and homelessness would be wiped out even without heavy government intervention. I too am guilty of that, and I wish to change that.

This does raise an interesting question, is it the actual leadership of the country that needs to be addressed? I mean when Pnoy first came into power there was this aura of success and stability the country hasn't experienced in a long time and with the growth of the economy our pride exponetially grew.

[Quirina]

This does raise an interesting question, is it the actual leadership of the country that needs to be addressed? I mean when Pnoy first came into power there was this aura of success and stability the country hasn't experienced in a long time and with the growth of the economy our pride exponetially grew.

I'd like to raise a good question: What are the signs of a growing economy? Relying in statistics alone by foreign business articles might not help as they are also "fourth estate", only focused on business.

[Mundiferrum]

What did we (Catholics) do when it comes to World War 2 history?

FIlipinos in WW2 were pro-American, even JP Laurel, that's why he's accused of no war crimes for his pro-Filipino anti-Japanese policies. Catholics were affected in the Japanese invasion severely (ex. unjust massacre on priests and clergy people) because of Jap's anti-West propaganda and bidding. So that pretty much says that Filipino Catholics can draw more grudge against Japan, while we don't understand why Japan hated U.S. specifically before the war happened (hey, the internet has everything, including the reason why Japan was pushed by US to attack first and as expected, US wants war and plays victim, and I know you saw these kind of scenarios).

Sorry, what? That statement's pretty far off from what either of us said.

And my points were what I said. I didn't have any specific p-o-v in my mind: I just wanted to check what you were saying, and for the point on communism, to prod you into revealing what you think communism is (because I'm pretty sure it's not the right meaning for communism you're talking about there).

There's no communism in the Philippines, only democratic socialists and far-left groups, Leninist, Marxists, dominantly Maoists who were incorrectly defined as "Communists", as I stated earlier, but again, total pinpoint-accurate communists don't exist here.

True communism is arguable, but for me it's an impossible utopia of universal equality and common sharing of resources with no system needed to exist or implemented. No proletarian revolutions, no red banners, nothing of that sh*t, thus, impossible. If we will dig deeper of it, we might end up going around circles of what it truly means, as it is an idea, not a reality shared with everyone in such a capitalist society as ours. I rest my case.

Ah, good. I'd really rather you just not use "communist" or "communism" when it isn't really "communism".

EDIT: But on your first point: I wonder where you learned that the Japanese unjustly massacred the clergy....
Not that I'm supporting your rather paranoid biases against the Philippine academe, no, I'm just pointing out the massive flaw in your argument.

I understand where you're coming from. PNP has to make such preparations for the Pope's own safety. I guess I'm talking about the general attitude of the people during and after the visit. It seems like Christian values of our fellow Filipinos only rekindle when the Pope's around. If we are really observing Pope Francis' message, which is look after the poor, hunger and homelessness would be wiped out even without heavy government intervention. I too am guilty of that, and I wish to change that.

This does raise an interesting question, is it the actual leadership of the country that needs to be addressed? I mean when Pnoy first came into power there was this aura of success and stability the country hasn't experienced in a long time and with the growth of the economy our pride exponetially grew.

Naw. The problem's always been the people. We're all too scared, selfish, or stupid to do what needs to be done. I mean, more than half of us don't even have the patience to throw our own trash in the proper places, or drive down our roads without doing anything illegal. Of course, the fact that the leaders are inept (listening carefully to even the first speeches of PNoy actually reveals that all he's been doing to make our current times look good is either misinterpreting data, ignoring all the warning signs, or, most notoriously, blaming the past administrations) is a big help.

[Bendicion]

to my opinion,I want the philippines to be more of a socialistic country.

[Victoriala]

to my opinion,I want the philippines to be more of a socialistic country.

But I want to talk shit at the government for no apparent reason

[Quirina]

Ah, good. I'd really rather you just not use "communist" or "communism" when it isn't really "communism".

EDIT: But on your first point: I wonder where you learned that the Japanese unjustly massacred the clergy....
Not that I'm supporting your rather paranoid biases against the Philippine academe, no, I'm just pointing out the massive flaw in your argument.

If my basis was the UST being attacked because the clergy hides soldiers, treat them, and get killed for it, churches being pillaged by Japs and killing the laymen and their religious, and other "haunted ghost" stories of priests being killed here and there, will you consider it another flaw in my argument? If it is, then point to me a specific time when the Japs never killed a priest during the war.

to my opinion,I want the philippines to be more of a socialistic country.

Haha Tell that to Joma Sison and his peeps doing "democratic" assemblies while not having police permits for doing so in public places, and even starting Martial Law with their "First Quarter Storm". Yeah. Also, try asking yourself was the "Diliman Commune" worth it? Is socialism compatible to a country like this, where the right-wing-minded conservatives and church-going fellas is as prevalent as fck?

God, I hate those fckers. Go to Cuba and tell that to (Raul) Castro, or to Colombia, Ecuador, or even to China. Lel

[Nationalist Eminral Republic]

I understand where you're coming from. PNP has to make such preparations for the Pope's own safety. I guess I'm talking about the general attitude of the people during and after the visit. It seems like Christian values of our fellow Filipinos only rekindle when the Pope's around. If we are really observing Pope Francis' message, which is look after the poor, hunger and homelessness would be wiped out even without heavy government intervention. I too am guilty of that, and I wish to change that.

This does raise an interesting question, is it the actual leadership of the country that needs to be addressed? I mean when Pnoy first came into power there was this aura of success and stability the country hasn't experienced in a long time and with the growth of the economy our pride exponetially grew.

There is definitely a role the government needs to play. People needs to change, like actually following the law, but the government needs to change a lot.

This does raise an interesting question, is it the actual leadership of the country that needs to be addressed? I mean when Pnoy first came into power there was this aura of success and stability the country hasn't experienced in a long time and with the growth of the economy our pride exponetially grew.

I'd like to raise a good question: What are the signs of a growing economy? Relying in statistics alone by foreign business articles might not help as they are also "fourth estate", only focused on business.

I consider less hungry families, especially children, elimination of child labour and putting them back to schools as progress, in my opinion. Sure having a train from Bicol to Dagupan, a working transportation system and strong military would be a good progress, but people comes first.

[Nationalist Eminral Republic]

to my opinion,I want the philippines to be more of a socialistic country.

Haha Tell that to Joma Sison and his peeps doing "democratic" assemblies while not having police permits for doing so in public places, and even starting Martial Law with their "First Quarter Storm". Yeah. Also, try asking yourself was the "Diliman Commune" worth it? Is socialism compatible to a country like this, where the right-wing-minded conservatives and church-going fellas is as prevalent as fck?

God, I hate those fckers. Go to Cuba and tell that to (Raul) Castro, or to Colombia, Ecuador, or even to China. Lel

Philippines do need some socialism, as much as I hate communism. For instance, I don't believe giving private corporations like MERALCO monopoly over electricity, or giving Maynilad the control over our waters. Natural resources is owned by the Filipino people. There are services that should not be up for profits, like water and electricity, our roads and transportation system. Ironically, these institutions were privatized by Fmr. Pres. Cory Aquino, the widow of the supposed communist Ninoy Aquino.

to my opinion,I want the philippines to be more of a socialistic country.

But I want to talk shit at the government for no apparent reason

By default, talking shit at the Philippine Government and LGUs is acceptable. Exceptions apply.

[Victoriala]

Haha Tell that to Joma Sison and his peeps doing "democratic" assemblies while not having police permits for doing so in public places, and even starting Martial Law with their "First Quarter Storm". Yeah. Also, try asking yourself was the "Diliman Commune" worth it? Is socialism compatible to a country like this, where the right-wing-minded conservatives and church-going fellas is as prevalent as fck?

God, I hate those fckers. Go to Cuba and tell that to (Raul) Castro, or to Colombia, Ecuador, or even to China. Lel

Philippines do need some socialism, as much as I hate communism. For instance, I don't believe giving private corporations like MERALCO monopoly over electricity, or giving Maynilad the control over our waters. Natural resources is owned by the Filipino people. There are services that should not be up for profits, like water and electricity, our roads and transportation system. Ironically, these institutions were privatized by Fmr. Pres. Cory Aquino, the widow of the supposed communist Ninoy Aquino.

But I want to talk shit at the government for no apparent reason

By default, talking shit at the Philippine Government and LGUs is acceptable. Exceptions apply.

At least DENR does something IMHO

[Mundiferrum]

At least DENR does something IMHO

My Biology professor who went around the Philippines to observe the effects of Yolanda on various marine habitats in the Philippines said otherwise....although honestly, I kinda dozed off when he elaborated on it. But there was, I remember, something about corals from one reef not being allowed to be transplanted in a region completely decimated by the typhoon....Oh, and there's also the fact that they set up protected habitats without any real coordination between the various habitats they set out to protect. But anyway...

[Quirina]

Philippines do need some socialism, as much as I hate communism. For instance, I don't believe giving private corporations like MERALCO monopoly over electricity, or giving Maynilad the control over our waters. Natural resources is owned by the Filipino people. There are services that should not be up for profits, like water and electricity, our roads and transportation system. Ironically, these institutions were privatized by Fmr. Pres. Cory Aquino, the widow of the supposed communist Ninoy Aquino.

Allowing foreign companies to participate in the Philippine market will create more quality or more affordable deals for the Filipinos in their own homes, but such cannot be applied to commonly needed resources (water, electricity, shelter, healthcare, education, employment/placement, transportation, infrastructure, legal counsel, retirement). Let foreign companies cater clothing, food, and other services that are not part of the aforementioned needs of a citizen. Notice that wage is not a separate part of basic needs, as it is covered by employment, let alone the government gives you a place to work in a private company so you can't go Marxist and revolt for shit. Well, that's how I want see it.

If you want, we can detail a child's life from the time he's born until he dies with all the best the government can do for him.

That said, it's not much socialist, just being "people-friendly". Glory to the government for glorifying the people, I will say if those happened.

[Skeckoa]

Hey Filipinos, want to do me a favor and post your location on the map that is linked in my signature? Filipino Visayas as well as over 115 people have posted on the map already, I'd be very grateful if you did too.

Thank you in advance,
Skeckoa

Pilipinas magpakailanman! (Hope I got that right)

[Quirina]

Hey Filipinos, want to do me a favor and post your location on the map that is linked in my signature? Filipino Visayas as well as over 115 people have posted on the map already, I'd be very grateful if you did too.

Thank you in advance,
Skeckoa

Pilipinas magpakailanman! (Hope I got that right)

Make sure you're not NBI to check us out LOL

[Skeckoa]

Make sure you're not NBI to check us out LOL

Opposite, I am enemy of the filipino state

Not really, but still add to the map please.

[Victoriala]

Hey Filipinos, want to do me a favor and post your location on the map that is linked in my signature? Filipino Visayas as well as over 115 people have posted on the map already, I'd be very grateful if you did too.

Thank you in advance,
Skeckoa

Pilipinas magpakailanman! (Hope I got that right)

Too suspicious

I'm goin in my proxee

U cant dox me

[Skeckoa]

Hey Filipinos, want to do me a favor and post your location on the map that is linked in my signature? Filipino Visayas as well as over 115 people have posted on the map already, I'd be very grateful if you did too.

Thank you in advance,
Skeckoa

Pilipinas magpakailanman! (Hope I got that right)

Too suspicious

I'm goin in my proxee

U cant dox me

YOu don't have to put it right over your house. A lot of people put it in their town center. Or in their neighborhood.

I NEED MORE FILIPINOS TO PARTICIPATE PLEASE! I'll eat afritada for a week if I have to!
(Any recommendations for filipino food btw? I live near a large Filipino community so I can have some homemade filipino cuisine.)

[Quirina]

Too suspicious

I'm goin in my proxee

U cant dox me

YOu don't have to put it right over your house. A lot of people put it in their town center. Or in their neighborhood.

I NEED MORE FILIPINOS TO PARTICIPATE PLEASE! I'll eat afritada for a week if I have to!
(Any recommendations for filipino food btw? I live near a large Filipino community so I can have some homemade filipino cuisine.)

Why eat afritada if you can into Bicol Express, and the most peymus (famous) adobo? Hahaha

[Victoriala]

Too suspicious

I'm goin in my proxee

U cant dox me

YOu don't have to put it right over your house. A lot of people put it in their town center. Or in their neighborhood.

I NEED MORE FILIPINOS TO PARTICIPATE PLEASE! I'll eat afritada for a week if I have to!
(Any recommendations for filipino food btw? I live near a large Filipino community so I can have some homemade filipino cuisine.)

Lol afritada sucks imo

Ilocano food is masterful

Igado, Vigan Okoy amd Empanada, Sinanglaw

Some good shit in my hometown Katagalugan like Suman and Buko pie and Lomi

Or if it's too foreign for tou yoi can just rush into the nearest Jolibee and get anything thats not American fastfood there

[Quirina]

YOu don't have to put it right over your house. A lot of people put it in their town center. Or in their neighborhood.

I NEED MORE FILIPINOS TO PARTICIPATE PLEASE! I'll eat afritada for a week if I have to!
(Any recommendations for filipino food btw? I live near a large Filipino community so I can have some homemade filipino cuisine.)

Lol afritada sucks imo

Ilocano food is masterful

Igado, Vigan Okoy amd Empanada, Sinanglaw

Some good shit in my hometown Katagalugan like Suman and Buko pie and Lomi

Or if it's too foreign for tou yoi can just rush into the nearest Jolibee and get anything thats not American fastfood there

Like what, spaghetti, fried chicken and hamburger with softdrinks and iced teas? Hahaha

[Halung]

Lol afritada sucks imo

Ilocano food is masterful

Igado, Vigan Okoy amd Empanada, Sinanglaw

Some good shit in my hometown Katagalugan like Suman and Buko pie and Lomi

Or if it's too foreign for tou yoi can just rush into the nearest Jolibee and get anything thats not American fastfood there

Like what, spaghetti, fried chicken and hamburger with softdrinks and iced teas? Hahaha

Ilocano cuisine is up there with my native Illongo cuisine. Lapaz Batchoy, Biscotcho, Pancit Molo, Valenciana.

We have so many regional cuisines.

[Victoriala]

Lol afritada sucks imo

Ilocano food is masterful

Igado, Vigan Okoy amd Empanada, Sinanglaw

Some good shit in my hometown Katagalugan like Suman and Buko pie and Lomi

Or if it's too foreign for tou yoi can just rush into the nearest Jolibee and get anything thats not American fastfood there

Like what, spaghetti, fried chicken and hamburger with softdrinks and iced teas? Hahaha

There's palabok u unkooltoord sign

[Nationalist Eminral Republic]

What did we (Catholics) do when it comes to World War 2 history?

FIlipinos in WW2 were pro-American, even JP Laurel, that's why he's accused of no war crimes for his pro-Filipino anti-Japanese policies. Catholics were affected in the Japanese invasion severely (ex. unjust massacre on priests and clergy people) because of Jap's anti-West propaganda and bidding. So that pretty much says that Filipino Catholics can draw more grudge against Japan, while we don't understand why Japan hated U.S. specifically before the war happened (hey, the internet has everything, including the reason why Japan was pushed by US to attack first and as expected, US wants war and plays victim, and I know you saw these kind of scenarios).

I think its not just Filipino Catholics who "drew grudge against Japan." It's all of the victims of the atrocities of the Imperial Army, regardless or religion. Besides, if Filipino Catholics still hold grudge against Japan, remind me once again why our government strongly supports rearmament of Japan. Events that were written in history books are all true, they came from the mouths of countless victims across East Asia and pictures that were taken in different places. We Catholics did not do anything to manipulate it.

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Allowing foreign companies to participate in the Philippine market will create more quality or more affordable deals for the Filipinos in their own homes, but such cannot be applied to commonly needed resources (water, electricity, shelter, healthcare, education, employment/placement, transportation, infrastructure, legal counsel, retirement). Let foreign companies cater clothing, food, and other services that are not part of the aforementioned needs of a citizen. Notice that wage is not a separate part of basic needs, as it is covered by employment, let alone the government gives you a place to work in a private company so you can't go Marxist and revolt for shit. Well, that's how I want see it.

If you want, we can detail a child's life from the time he's born until he dies with all the best the government can do for him.

That said, it's not much socialist, just being "people-friendly". Glory to the government for glorifying the people, I will say if those happened.

Well I can agree to that much. If we allowed foreign ISPs for example, we wouldn't have to choose between a slow internet (PLDT/Smart) and an internet with speeds that would make you kill yourself (Globe).

At least DENR does something IMHO

*Looks at farmlands being converted to residential areas and Metro Manila.

Nope, I don't think so. Even if that's true, they can surely do more. The problem is the government does not have the balls to do some tough reforms for the better.

[Nationalist Eminral Republic]

Like what, spaghetti, fried chicken and hamburger with softdrinks and iced teas? Hahaha

Ilocano cuisine is up there with my native Illongo cuisine. Lapaz Batchoy, Biscotcho, Pancit Molo, Valenciana.

We have so many regional cuisines.

Did I miss something or did everybody skip out sinigang and relenong bangus?! I'm disappointed

On the second note, it seems like the Belgium/Netherlands Area have a lot of NS users.