Ukrainian Crisis

[Volnotova]

Medvedev has said he's disappointed that Yanukovych has turned out to be a doormat for everyone to wipe their feet on. So the Kremlin are really distancing themselves from him at this stage.

It seems atm they first want to see who the new government will be before they take further action.

[Kyuji]

So we lost lifes to replace one pro-russian conservative with pro-eu conservative?Good fucking job Ukraine.

And thats a bad thing?

[Volnotova]

"Parliament has nulled a Yanukovich-era law, which gave legal grounds for regional use of minority languages. The 2012 law allowed predominantly Russian-speaking regions of Ukraine to use Russian in official business, education and some other areas."

Something tells me certain regions aren't going to be too happy with this...

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

So we lost lifes to replace one pro-russian conservative with pro-eu conservative?Good fucking job Ukraine.

And thats a bad thing?

Ukraine needs social and civil rights. A conservative will bring the reverse of that.

Of course, except if you love savage capitalism and likes watching people die through starving with the new policy that the FTA with the EU will bring.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

"Parliament has nulled a Yanukovich-era law, which gave legal grounds for regional use of minority languages. The 2012 law allowed predominantly Russian-speaking regions of Ukraine to use Russian in official business, education and some other areas."

Something tells me certain regions aren't going to be too happy with this...

I think it sad because of the Romanians, Gagauzians, Romani, Tatars, Poles and Rusyn-speaking Ruthenes, but truly, I'm not really sad with nationalist policies promoting the use of Belarusian and Ukrainian... like at all.

Russian should be approached by Ukrainians in the same way it should be approached by Germans and Brazilians. If you desire to learn it as second language in school, awesome, but integration with your country as a whole is essential, and so is your own ethnic identity.

I think ALL American kids should be taught both English and Spanish, btw.

[Ayreonia]

And thats a bad thing?

Ukraine needs social and civil rights. A conservative will bring the reverse of that.

Of course, except if you love savage capitalism and likes watching people die through starving with the new policy that the FTA with the EU will bring.

Trading with the EU will make people starve to death... how, exactly?

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Ukraine needs social and civil rights. A conservative will bring the reverse of that.

Of course, except if you love savage capitalism and likes watching people die through starving with the new policy that the FTA with the EU will bring.

Trading with the EU will make people starve to death... how, exactly?

Neoliberalism and austerity in third world countries tends to lead to extreme poverty... News at ee-leh-vuunnnn...

[Regenburg]

Neoliberalism and austerity in third world countries tends to lead to extreme poverty... News at ee-leh-vuunnnn...

I heard that in Ukraine,people are told that they'll live 'like Lithuanians' if they join EU and turn to neoliberalism,apparently,we get paid 500 euros and are free of corruption.Yeah sure,we totally are that rich.

[Charlotte Ryberg]

And thats a bad thing?

Ukraine needs social and civil rights. A conservative will bring the reverse of that.

Of course, except if you love savage capitalism and likes watching people die through starving with the new policy that the FTA with the EU will bring.

This is a critical time where opinions have to be put aside in order to turn a whole country around, after what Yanukovych did. My current advice would be to declare the country neutral, whereas all peaceful agreements shall be given equal treatment, allowing Ukraine to be the safe trading route between Europe and Eurasia.

I know of an example Ukraine can follow, where Finland's YLE was a member of the (then only) western bloc Eurovision and the eastern bloc Intervision – at the same time. (Source: A Song for Europe: Popular Music and Politics in the Eurovision Song Contest (2007): edited by Ivan Raykoff, Robert Deam Tobin, p. 73.) The authors argue that YLE used its dual membership role to peacefully bridge the gap between the broadcasters of the east and west.

[The Holy Empires Embassy]

Ukraine needs social and civil rights. A conservative will bring the reverse of that.

Of course, except if you love savage capitalism and likes watching people die through starving with the new policy that the FTA with the EU will bring.

This is a critical time where opinions have to be put aside in order to turn a whole country around, after what Yanukovych did. My current advice would be to declare the country neutral, whereas all peaceful agreements shall be given equal treatment, allowing Ukraine to be the safe trading route between Europe and Eurasia.

I know of an example Ukraine can follow, where Finland's YLE was a member of the (then only) western bloc Eurovision and the eastern bloc Intervision – at the same time. (Source: A Song for Europe: Popular Music and Politics in the Eurovision Song Contest (2007): edited by Ivan Raykoff, Robert Deam Tobin, p. 73.) The authors argue that YLE used its dual membership role to peacefully bridge the gap between the broadcasters of the east and west.

So, taking the russian loans anyway because it is a much better offer?

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Neoliberalism and austerity in third world countries tends to lead to extreme poverty... News at ee-leh-vuunnnn...

I heard that in Ukraine,people are told that they'll live 'like Lithuanians' if they join EU and turn to neoliberalism,apparently,we get paid 500 euros and are free of corruption.Yeah sure,we totally are that rich.

Ukraine won't be like this. Ukraine will be like a Greece with a 2008 crisis with twice the strength for the basis of its population.

To have an idea, the average HDI of the slums around metropolitan Rio de Janeiro is about the same of Georgia (see the average GDP per capita here, that part of the ex-Soviet Union is clearly poorer than South America: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:BNP_perhoofd_2012.PNG). With furthering inequality, you will have a disproportional increase on life costs for the people down the pyramid. Plus, they will not have social security nets to care for them, because of the austerity.

They essentially just bought their entry into being the favela of Europe. I doubt they will enter the EU thus, because they will have a fuckton of poor immigrants trying to run from there and other member states might get concerned. Not to say how even if they don't do it, there will be a reflection in the increase of social problems in other countries linked to immigration anyway caused by their crisis in lifestyle of an enormous sum of their population.

[Ayreonia]

Trading with the EU will make people starve to death... how, exactly?

Neoliberalism and austerity in third world countries tends to lead to extreme poverty... News at ee-leh-vuunnnn...

Come now, Ukraine is hardly a third world country. Besides, the EU has actually boosted the economies of its members, save for places like Greece who have themselves to blame.

But then again, this thread isn't about Greece.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Neoliberalism and austerity in third world countries tends to lead to extreme poverty... News at ee-leh-vuunnnn...

Come now, Ukraine is hardly a third world country.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:BNP_perhoofd_2012.PNG More inequality and you have a third world country in plenty of Eastern Europe, yes you do.

Besides, the EU has actually boosted the economies of its members

You can only eat with the money from the pockets of rich people if the government go and take from them to give you.

(In Brazil this isn't the case, because even though it is in our Constitution for about as long or longer than my lifetime, in the day that our government decides to apply progressive taxation to our 5%, we have another right-wing coup. So the welfare as ailment for the miserable and worker classes is more a backstabbing on the middle class. And if this is our case, with a country with a rampant oligarchy culture, this should be even worse.)

Take the inequality that neoliberalism creates and the austerity taking BACK social security, and you have the recipe for social disaster.

[Charlotte Ryberg]

This is a critical time where opinions have to be put aside in order to turn a whole country around, after what Yanukovych did. My current advice would be to declare the country neutral, whereas all peaceful agreements shall be given equal treatment, allowing Ukraine to be the safe trading route between Europe and Eurasia.

I know of an example Ukraine can follow, where Finland's YLE was a member of the (then only) western bloc Eurovision and the eastern bloc Intervision – at the same time. (Source: A Song for Europe: Popular Music and Politics in the Eurovision Song Contest (2007): edited by Ivan Raykoff, Robert Deam Tobin, p. 73.) The authors argue that YLE used its dual membership role to peacefully bridge the gap between the broadcasters of the east and west.

So, taking the russian loans anyway because it is a much better offer?

Yanukovych and his direct allies are to blame for a majority of the problems that Ukraine is in. Ultimately, all the illicit wealth derived from natural gas must pay back the loans.

[Yorkopolis]

Dutch Media reports that Yanukovych has gone to the east of Ukraine and is gathering support. He also would have called for the formation of armed militias to help him. Turns out that it isn't over just yet

http://nos.nl/artikel/614901-.html

So he's trying to pull a Mussolini, fleeing to the east to gather support of the Russians and the locals and then try to fight his way back into power in the same way the thug Mussolini did 70 years ago. I'd already predicted that something like this would happen, but I question if Yanuk will manage to survive being seen by a pro-Maidan crowd. He'd probably end the same way as Ceausescu did in '89, by firing squad.

[Rabopari]

Tymoshenko is a puppet of the United States and the other governments that supported and funded the coup. But Yanukovych is also a puppet of Russia.

Well done Ukraine. need i say more.

[Yorkopolis]

Tymoshenko is a puppet of the United States and the other governments that supported and funded the coup. But Yanukovych is also a puppet of Russia.

Well done Ukraine. need i say more.

It's highly unlikely Tymoshenko will be able to actually hold the presidency let alone become president. She's 54 years old, wheelchair-bound, and talks and looks like she's 60-70 years old. Besides that, coup? The parliament impeached Yanukovych, what's so "coup" about that?

[Limborg]

Dutch Media reports that Yanukovych has gone to the east of Ukraine and is gathering support. He also would have called for the formation of armed militias to help him. Turns out that it isn't over just yet

http://nos.nl/artikel/614901-.html

So he's trying to pull a Mussolini, fleeing to the east to gather support of the Russians and the locals and then try to fight his way back into power in the same way the thug Mussolini did 70 years ago. I'd already predicted that something like this would happen, but I question if Yanuk will manage to survive being seen by a pro-Maidan crowd. He'd probably end the same way as Ceausescu did in '89, by firing squad.

Actually, Russia isn't supporting him anymore. They are done with the guy since thursday i believe.

Tymoshenko is a puppet of the United States and the other governments that supported and funded the coup. But Yanukovych is also a puppet of Russia.

Well done Ukraine. need i say more.

How is Tymoshenko a puppet of the US? She actually has a good relation with Putin, and in that way also Russia itself.

[Rabopari]

Tymoshenko is a puppet of the United States and the other governments that supported and funded the coup. But Yanukovych is also a puppet of Russia.

Well done Ukraine. need i say more.

It's highly unlikely Tymoshenko will be able to actually hold the presidency let alone become president. She's 54 years old, wheelchair-bound, and talks and looks like she's 60-70 years old. Besides that, coup? The parliament impeached Yanukovych, what's so "coup" about that?

In Lyiv pro Tymoshenko protestors took over the town. And also just becasue she's in a wheelchair that would not stop her from being president or prime minister

[European Socialist Republic]

Tymoshenko is a puppet of the United States and the other governments that supported and funded the coup. But Yanukovych is also a puppet of Russia.

Well done Ukraine. need i say more.

It's highly unlikely Tymoshenko will be able to actually hold the presidency let alone become president. She's 54 years old, wheelchair-bound, and talks and looks like she's 60-70 years old. Besides that, coup? The parliament impeached Yanukovych, what's so "coup" about that?

So was FDR...

[Yorkopolis]

It's highly unlikely Tymoshenko will be able to actually hold the presidency let alone become president. She's 54 years old, wheelchair-bound, and talks and looks like she's 60-70 years old. Besides that, coup? The parliament impeached Yanukovych, what's so "coup" about that?

In Lyiv pro Tymoshenko protestors took over the town. And also just becasue she's in a wheelchair that would not stop her from being president or prime minister

What I'm meant to imply is that she's too physically fragile at this moment to be able to perform a job as exhausting as that of PM.

[Rabopari]

In Lyiv pro Tymoshenko protestors took over the town. And also just becasue she's in a wheelchair that would not stop her from being president or prime minister

What I'm meant to imply is that she's too physically fragile at this moment to be able to perform a job as exhausting as that of PM.

Oh yeah that job is so exhausting...



*Laughs at himself's sarcasm*

[The Fascist American Empire]

All I know is that the US shouldn't get involved. We've got enough problems without being the world's police.

[Draakonite]

Tymoshenko is a puppet of the United States and the other governments that supported and funded the coup. But Yanukovych is also a puppet of Russia.

Well done Ukraine. need i say more.

It's highly unlikely Tymoshenko will be able to actually hold the presidency let alone become president. She's 54 years old, wheelchair-bound, and talks and looks like she's 60-70 years old. Besides that, coup? The parliament impeached Yanukovych, what's so "coup" about that?

Uhm, armed protesters have conquered the parliament, subdued the parlamentarians (they have beaten some of them) and forced parliament to pass a law.

Elections should have been made first.

[Yorkopolis]

It's highly unlikely Tymoshenko will be able to actually hold the presidency let alone become president. She's 54 years old, wheelchair-bound, and talks and looks like she's 60-70 years old. Besides that, coup? The parliament impeached Yanukovych, what's so "coup" about that?

Uhm, armed protesters have conquered the parliament, subdued the parlamentarians (they have beaten some of them) and forced parliament to pass a law.

Elections should have been made first.

Can you provide a source for any of this? For as far as I know, no news source I've been using have stated a "conquering of parliament" or "subduing of MPs". I'd like a source or this just didn't happen.