Which government is better? Fascism or Communism

[Socialist Kraslavia]

Dear Commrades and non-comrades.
Read Marx not about Marx.
CCCP was utterly wrong. Until Kronstadt rebellion it becomes less and less Communist or Marxist, and more Crypto-Capitalist. So called CPSU was most brutal and cunning buorgeoise ever. They was not communists at all. Only Pierestroyka was chance - but it was too late to fix anything there.
So: Marx - Yes, Lenin - No, Stalin - Never again, CPSU - crypto-bourgeoise...

[Threlizdun]

In reality Fascist government, other than Nazi Germany seems to give more freedom than Communist ones. Life would be more "normal" under a fascist government to me at least.

Militaristic, ultranationalist, state capitalist dictatorships offer more freedom than classless, stateless societies?

[The Laxus Union]

Both ideals are very bad ideas, and communism doesn't work in practice but I would rather be a communist then a fascist.

This.

[Threlizdun]

No, the capitalist system is becoming increasingly revealed as fundamentally unsustainable. It will have to be abandoned. That is absolutely inevitable. With it, there would be little basis for the state to maintain itself. Communism is a natural result of human development

Well, not absolutely inevitable: Humanity could go extinct instead.

Also rember that "History does nothing, it ‘possesses no immense wealth’, it ‘wages no battles’. It is man, real, living man who does all that, who possesses and fights; ‘history’ is not, as it were, a person apart, using man as a means to achieve its own aims; history is nothing but the activity of man pursuing his aims..."- Karl Marx, The Holy Family (Chapter 6)

Human history and general knowledge of our interactions allows us to predict that a certain outcome is more or less certain. It does not mean that we should stand by and wait for it to happen, as it requires instigators, but all evidence appears to point towards the majority of the population one day seeking the abolition of both capitalism and the state.

[Benuty]

In reality Fascist government, other than Nazi Germany seems to give more freedom than Communist ones. Life would be more "normal" under a fascist government to me at least.

Militaristic, ultranationalist, state capitalist dictatorships offer more freedom than classless, stateless societies?

If ones definition of freedom was perverse then I suppose it would.

[The Laxus Union]

In reality Fascist government, other than Nazi Germany seems to give more freedom than Communist ones. Life would be more "normal" under a fascist government to me at least.

Militaristic, ultranationalist, state capitalist dictatorships offer more freedom than classless, stateless societies?

Some people just don't understand ideology my friend. How would living under a fascist government give more freedom?

[Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic]

In reality Fascist government, other than Nazi Germany seems to give more freedom than Communist ones. Life would be more "normal" under a fascist government to me at least.

Militaristic, ultranationalist, state capitalist dictatorships offer more freedom than classless, stateless societies?

What types of freedoms are we describing?

[4years]

Dear Commrades and non-comrades.
1. Read Marx not about Marx.
CCCP was utterly wrong. Until Kronstadt rebellion it becomes less and less Communist or Marxist, and more 2. Crypto-Capitalist. So called 3. CPSU was most brutal and cunning buorgeoise ever. They was not communists at all. 4. Only Pierestroyka was chance - but it was too late to fix anything there.
So: Marx - Yes, Lenin - No, Stalin - Never again, CPSU - crypto-bourgeoise...

1. Agreed.
2. The USSR became explicitly capitalist with the NEP.
3. Fair enough.
4. Gorbachev would not have produced socialism, most likely if his programs had been allowed to proceed as intended Russia would be an ordinary social democracy today. Certainly better than what we have now, but still not socialism.

[The Laxus Union]

Both ideals are very bad ideas, and communism doesn't work in practice but I would rather be a communist then a fascist.

This.

Never mind this.


Communism is a great ideology ,but doesn't work in practice with a large population. Communes in China did actually achieve communism.

I'd rather be a communist than a fascist.

[New Socialist South Africa]

In reality Fascist government, other than Nazi Germany seems to give more freedom than Communist ones. Life would be more "normal" under a fascist government to me at least.

I'm assuming that by Communist you actually mean Stalinist / Totalitarian Vanguard Party State ideals (that isn't Communism by the way) and I assume you aren't speaking about the groups discriminated against by Fascism when you speak about the freedoms under fascism.

[The New World Oceania]

There is an insinuation by the OP that these are both authoritarian societies with extreme economics, rigorously defined by historical evidence...

[Threlizdun]

Militaristic, ultranationalist, state capitalist dictatorships offer more freedom than classless, stateless societies?

What types of freedoms are we describing?

What ones aren't we deacribing with that broad of a difference?

[ShadowDragons]

Well both terrible. I would rather be a live under fascism than communism (because at least I won't starve) But I would rather be a communist because they are stupid and evil while a facist is stupid, evil, racist, and morphing the bible into some propaganda kill jews. Both of these governments are almost the same thing in having no freedom. The only difference is that communist governments are formed by "class struggle" or using the notion of equality to strip people of freedoms. Fascists use religion to do the same thing.

[4years]

Well, not absolutely inevitable: Humanity could go extinct instead.

Also rember that "History does nothing, it ‘possesses no immense wealth’, it ‘wages no battles’. It is man, real, living man who does all that, who possesses and fights; ‘history’ is not, as it were, a person apart, using man as a means to achieve its own aims; history is nothing but the activity of man pursuing his aims..."- Karl Marx, The Holy Family (Chapter 6)

Human history and general knowledge of our interactions allows us to predict that a certain outcome is more or less certain. It does not mean that we should stand by and wait for it to happen, as it requires instigators, but all evidence appears to point towards the majority of the population one day seeking the abolition of both capitalism and the state.

Agreed, but still it is dangerous to act as if it is magically going to occur, especially as the continued existence of both capitalism and the state increasingly threatens the lead to the extinction of the human race.

[The Laxus Union]

It's the typical brainwashed individual who was taught communism was a stalinistic totalitarian ideology and doesn't bother studying ideology. What has this world come to?

[4years]

What types of freedoms are we describing?

What ones aren't we deacribing with that broad of a difference?

The freedom to exploit others, I suppose.

[Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic]

What types of freedoms are we describing?

What ones aren't we describing with that broad of a difference?

Are you aware of the different types of freedoms? There are economic, civil, political, and many others.

[Hathradic States]

Well...fascism or communism...

Not hard. Viva el Fascismo!

[ShadowDragons]

Fascism and Communism are the same thing except that fascists use religion to strip people of their rights and communists use the notion of complete equality.

[Hathradic States]

Well both terrible. I would rather be a live under fascism than communism (because at least I won't starve) But I would rather be a communist because they are stupid and evil while a facist is stupid, evil, racist, and morphing the bible into some propaganda kill jews. Both of these governments are almost the same thing in having no freedom. The only difference is that communist governments are formed by "class struggle" or using the notion of equality to strip people of freedoms. Fascists use religion to do the same thing.

You have fascism and Nazism confused. Kindly read a little and understand the difference between the two.

Before anybody opens their damn mouths and says "THEY ARE THE SAME THING TROLOLOL", I will kindly point out that they are about as similar as Judaism and Christianity.

[Nervium]

Fascism and Communism are the same thing except that fascists use religion to strip people of their rights and communists use the notion of complete equality.

I love how you don't know what you are talking about.

[Luveria]

I would prefer the system that allows me to own private property.

[Baiynistan]

Communism > Fascism

Fascism > Stalinism

[Libertarian California]

They're both pretty shitty. But fascism has cooler paperphanelia. Oh, and nationalism.

[Hathradic States]

I would prefer the system that allows me to own private property.

Which would be fascism. (before any Reds could contest that point).


Fascism seems better to live under, though you lose freedoms. Though, as somebody with unlimited freedom and limited food, I'd rather take the food than freedom some days.