Is Europe Anti-Semitic and/or Anti-Islamic?

[DrakoBlaria]

"Israhell"? So you are saying that because Jews and Muslims who escaped oppression and don't want to give up their culture deserve discrimination?

What's so special about Israel? What about the Palestinians, do they not deserve to have independence, are Israelis somehow better than Palestinians? There is no 'oppression' against Jewish people anymore, that is not a valid argument in Israel's favor.

Didn't you know? 1 Jew = 100 Palestinian babies

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

Western Muslims in American and Canada tend to be more tolerant than middle eastern ones.

They are "integrated in our societies". I explicitly talk about "Semites/Muslims of Africa and Asia". ¬¬

Even in Israel... The centre-right parties there would be far-right in Brazil.

[Nervium]

I know there's been quite the wave of Islamophobia in Europe, as tolerant the nordic countries seem to be many of the muslims over there still have to face a decent amount of homophobia every day.

You mean Islamophobia, right?
Homophobia is however a problem within the Islamic (and lets be fair, also the Jewish) community, but not uncounterable.

[Ifreann]

You're just mad that we're not anti-Hindu.

I actually thought the title said "or" instead of "and/or", so I decided to be a failed smartass.

I suspected as much. The mathematician's answer is always a good one.

Really, Europe is too complex to narrow down to such viewpoints. Some areas are anti-Semitic and anti-Islamic, some aren't. Hell, some (like Albania) are actually Muslim-majority.

Albania has a Muslim majority? *wikipedia*...well shit, that's a new one on me.

[America Libertaria]

How can you blame them for being anti-Islamic when Muslims flood into the Europeans' countries and tell the Europeans to change their ways. There are even shariah courts in the UK for Christ's sake.

[Fascist Russian Empire]

I know there's been quite the wave of Islamophobia in Europe, as tolerant the nordic countries seem to be many of the muslims over there still have to face a decent amount of homophobia every day.

You do realize that the Islamic faith is highly homophobic, right? Being a homosexual is illegal in the majority of the Middle East, punishable by death in several.

[DrakoBlaria]

I actually thought the title said "or" instead of "and/or", so I decided to be a failed smartass.

I suspected as much. The mathematician's answer is always a good one.

Really, Europe is too complex to narrow down to such viewpoints. Some areas are anti-Semitic and anti-Islamic, some aren't. Hell, some (like Albania) are actually Muslim-majority.

Albania has a Muslim majority? *wikipedia*...well shit, that's a new one on me.

Albania doesn't have an official census so we can't know.
Bosnia on the other hand

[Risottia]

I think that Europe is both anti-Semitic and anti-Islamic.

Prove your claim.

Scandinavia seems like the most "friendly" place in Europe towards foreigners.

Prove your claim.
Also, what has "being a foreigner" got to do with "being Semitic or Muslim"?

I have dual citizenship with Sweden and everyone there is nice and tolerant. UK, Southern Europe and Eastern Europe seem the most racist in my opinion due to modern white nationalism and an attitude that screams, "STOP WHITE GENOCIDE!!111"
So NSG, what do you think?

Sauce or bullshit.

[Leningrad Union]

I know there's been quite the wave of Islamophobia in Europe, as tolerant the nordic countries seem to be many of the muslims over there still have to face a decent amount of homophobia every day.

You mean Islamophobia, right?
Homophobia is however a problem within the Islamic (and lets be fair, also the Jewish) community, but not uncounterable.

What not true

[Ifreann]

What's so special about Israel? What about the Palestinians, do they not deserve to have independence, are Israelis somehow better than Palestinians? There is no 'oppression' against Jewish people anymore, that is not a valid argument in Israel's favor.

Didn't you know? 1 Jew = 100 Palestinian babies

Ye fucking gods, lads, it's not an Israel/Palestine thread.

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

Anti-Islamism is very prevalent in much of Europe at the moment, I would say, which would not be a bad thing if it was the secular attacking a religion for being outdated and in some cases barbaric and inhuman, however, it is usually the case of some white Christian nationalist who would never dream of attacking Christianity or Judaism for the same things.

There is Islamophobia in Europe from all kinds of people, anywhere on the political spectrum and independent of their religious leanings (obviously other than Islam and Bahá'i Faith).

But sure, it is omnipresent among white nationalists (that might be the same ones burning Churches in Scandinavia in the 1990s).

[DrakoBlaria]

Didn't you know? 1 Jew = 100 Palestinian babies

Ye fucking gods, lads, it's not an Israel/Palestine thread.

Jews were mentioned ergo Palestine

[Mushet]

I know there's been quite the wave of Islamophobia in Europe, as tolerant the nordic countries seem to be many of the muslims over there still have to face a decent amount of homophobia every day.

You mean Islamophobia, right?
Homophobia is however a problem within the Islamic (and lets be fair, also the Jewish) community, but not uncounterable.

Yeah, right, typo

[Fascist Russian Empire]

You mean Islamophobia, right?
Homophobia is however a problem within the Islamic (and lets be fair, also the Jewish) community, but not uncounterable.

What not true

You clearly know next to nothing about the Islamic world. Nearly every single country in the Middle East and North Africa has criminalized homosexuality, punishable by death in several.

[The Genoese Cromanatum]

I think that Europe is both anti-Semitic and anti-Islamic.

Prove your claim.

Scandinavia seems like the most "friendly" place in Europe towards foreigners.

Prove your claim.
Also, what has "being a foreigner" got to do with "being Semitic or Muslim"?

I have dual citizenship with Sweden and everyone there is nice and tolerant. UK, Southern Europe and Eastern Europe seem the most racist in my opinion due to modern white nationalism and an attitude that screams, "STOP WHITE GENOCIDE!!111"
So NSG, what do you think?

Sauce or bullshit.

Some real nice strawman you got there.

[Nervium]

You mean Islamophobia, right?
Homophobia is however a problem within the Islamic (and lets be fair, also the Jewish) community, but not uncounterable.

What not true

Not true what?
That education destroys stereotypes and superstition?
Or that the Jewish community (the religious one) can be highly homophobic?

[Nervium]

Didn't you know? 1 Jew = 100 Palestinian babies

Ye fucking gods, lads, it's not an Israel/Palestine thread.

AKA the scariest fucking thread on NSG.

[Risottia]

Prove your claim.


Prove your claim.
Also, what has "being a foreigner" got to do with "being Semitic or Muslim"?



Sauce or bullshit.

Some real nice strawman you got there.

Explain yourself, or take a sabbatical in Definitionland.

[The Genoese Cromanatum]

Some real nice strawman you got there.

Explain yourself, or take a sabbatical in Definitionland.

You are avoiding debating the whole point of his post by dissecting it and questioning specific parts of the post. Ergo, Strawman.

[Mushet]

I know there's been quite the wave of Islamophobia in Europe, as tolerant the nordic countries seem to be many of the muslims over there still have to face a decent amount of homophobia every day.

You do realize that the Islamic faith is highly homophobic, right? Being a homosexual is illegal in the majority of the Middle East, punishable by death in several.

Homophobia is rampant throughout the world, Islamic and not.

[Fascist Russian Empire]

You do realize that the Islamic faith is highly homophobic, right? Being a homosexual is illegal in the majority of the Middle East, punishable by death in several.

Homophobia is rampant throughout the world, Islamic and not.

Sadly yes, but Muslims don't really face homophobia when they are the ones perpetrating it.

[Farnhamia]

Explain yourself, or take a sabbatical in Definitionland.

You are avoiding debating the whole point of his post by dissecting it and questioning specific parts of the post. Ergo, Strawman.

Not so. A strawman fallacy is when you claim your opponent said something he did not and then you dismantle it and claim victory.

[Leningrad Union]

What not true

You clearly know next to nothing about the Islamic world. Nearly every single country in the Middle East and North Africa has criminalized homosexuality, punishable by death in several.

I was talking about jews

[Mushet]

How can you blame them for being anti-Islamic when Muslims flood into the Europeans' countries and tell the Europeans to change their ways. There are even shariah courts in the UK for Christ's sake.

You have a problem with Beth Din courts as well?

[Nervium]

You clearly know next to nothing about the Islamic world. Nearly every single country in the Middle East and North Africa has criminalized homosexuality, punishable by death in several.

I was talking about jews

I already stated that the religious Jewish community is not free from homophobia.