Is Europe Anti-Semitic and/or Anti-Islamic?

[Blasveck]

Which have no backing by the way.

Personal experiences need no "sources."

Personal experience isn't data either.

[Leningrad Union]

But this is based off of my personal opinions. Me saying, "I believe Eastern Europe is anti-Semitic" is different that, "Eastern Europe is anti-Semitic."

I know, I'm just pointing out that personal experiences and sources are two different things.

I agree

[Leningrad Union]

Personal experiences need no "sources."

Personal experience isn't data either.

I never said it was.

[The Norgan Alliance]

As a whole, no.

There are fringe groups, and they sometimes have frightning amounts of power (look at the PVV in the Netherlands), but as a whole Europe is neither vehemetly anti-Semetic or anti-Islamic, this does not mean we ought to tolerate extremism (from the religions in question nor political groups massing against them), nor should we not educate people about the dangers of both ideologies.

Dangers? What dangers?

[Mefpan]

Personal experience isn't data either.

I never said it was.

The problem is that your posts make it seem as though you intend to use them as such, I believe.

[Blasveck]

Personal experience isn't data either.

I never said it was.

Then why the hell did you create this thread?

Just to whine about supposed anti-Semitism in Europe with no sources and no willingness to debate if it is true or not?

[Minarchist States]

Never been to Europe, can't speak for them. I do hear a lot of articles about Muslims however, for good or bad.

[Leningrad Union]

I never said it was.

The problem is that your posts make it seem as though you intend to use them as such, I believe.

Whatever, I'm going to ignore anyone that is bothering me about what I said. I wanted this to be a discussion thread not "interrogate the OP!" thread.

[Leningrad Union]

I never said it was.

Then why the hell did you create this thread?

Just to whine about supposed anti-Semitism in Europe with no sources and no willingness to debate if it is true or not?

No, for people to discuss if it exists or not.

[Nervium]

As a whole, no.

There are fringe groups, and they sometimes have frightning amounts of power (look at the PVV in the Netherlands), but as a whole Europe is neither vehemetly anti-Semetic or anti-Islamic, this does not mean we ought to tolerate extremism (from the religions in question nor political groups massing against them), nor should we not educate people about the dangers of both ideologies.

Dangers? What dangers?

"The economy is failing!"
"It's the fault of the Jews/Muslims!!!1!1."

Those dangers.

[DrakoBlaria]

As a whole no, but there are some countries in West Europe who have a lot of people against Islam. I know there is rising islamaphobia in counties like Netherlands, France and even Germany.

That's multiculturalism for you...

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

Semites who didn't integrate in our societies (the vast majority of them; a small minority of liberal Muslims and an even smaller one of liberal Jews there in Africa and Asia won't change things) and Muslims who didn't integrate in our societies are largely anti-European and anti-secularist.

Not that we see it as problem. We treat it as completely understandable in comparison with OUR fear of them and what they do where they are majority and rule the fuck out of the oppressed people (who are mostly sheeple and agree with the terrible conditions in which they live) becoming commonplace in our countries.

While I don't like this ebul muslims fad and in fact I believe we should be no Godparents of Israhell, the sieve for accepting them should be thinner and so should be our tolerance to sharia and horrible practices and mentality. Especially here, but also there. In fact I don't know how the developed world can talk about human rights while they feed Saudi Arabia.

[Fascist Russian Empire]

The problem is that your posts make it seem as though you intend to use them as such, I believe.

Whatever, I'm going to ignore anyone that is bothering me about what I said. I wanted this to be a discussion thread not "interrogate the OP!" thread.

You do realize that topics are meant to be for debate, right?

[Blasveck]

Then why the hell did you create this thread?

Just to whine about supposed anti-Semitism in Europe with no sources and no willingness to debate if it is true or not?

No, for people to discuss if it exists or not.

Well speculation isn't going to mean much.

Hence, we ask for sources.

[DrakoBlaria]

Then why the hell did you create this thread?

Just to whine about supposed anti-Semitism in Europe with no sources and no willingness to debate if it is true or not?

No, for people to discuss if it exists or not.

It exists, but I wouldn't say Europe as a continent is anti-semitic. Some people are (Minority) and most people aren't. Though yeah, most of Europe is anti-islamic

[Leningrad Union]

Semites who didn't integrate in our societies (the vast majority of them; a small minority of liberal Muslims and an even smaller one of liberal Jews there in Africa and Asia won't change things) and Muslims who didn't integrate in our societies are largely anti-European and anti-secularist.

Not that we see it as problem. We treat it as completely understandable in comparison with OUR fear of them and what they do where they are majority and rule the fuck out of the oppressed people (who are mostly sheeple and agree with the terrible conditions in which they live) becoming commonplace in our countries.

While I don't like this ebul muslims fad and in fact I believe we should be no Godparents of Israhell, the sieve for accepting them should be thinner and so should be our tolerance to sharia and horrible practices and mentality. Especially here, but also there. In fact I don't know how the developed world can talk about human rights while they feed Saudi Arabia.

"Israhell"? So you are saying that because Jews and Muslims who escaped oppression and don't want to give up their culture deserve discrimination?

[The Grey Wolf]

No, for people to discuss if it exists or not.

It exists, but I wouldn't say Europe as a continent is anti-semitic. Some people are (Minority) and most people aren't. Though yeah, most of Europe is anti-islamic

Can you blame them?

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

"Israhell"? So you are saying that because Jews and Muslims who escaped oppression and don't want to give up their culture deserve discrimination?

Culture shouldn't include intolerance for no one in Earth.

In fact when we lose our temper with the Middle East and Africa I think people can look at the horrible things that happen in Eastern Europe and Latin America with more attention, for example.

We don't see no one talking about the countless police abuses (support by the Justice) defending the corrupt and immoral government we have against the biggest public teacher strike in the history of Rio de Janeiro that include people dying right now, in the international media, for example.

And yes, Israel has nice people, advanced technology, significant tolerance for Jews and Western tourists and all, but horrible politicians that should be dealt with in Hague and a very backward mentality, aside this thing of make-yourself-a-victim-and-cry tactic that I hate.

[Leningrad Union]

"Israhell"? So you are saying that because Jews and Muslims who escaped oppression and don't want to give up their culture deserve discrimination?

Culture shouldn't include intolerance for no one in Earth.

In fact when we lose our temper with the Middle East and Africa I think people can look at the horrible things that happen in Eastern Europe and Latin America with more attention, for example.

We don't see no one talking about the countless police abuses (support by the Justice) defending the corrupt and immoral government we have against the biggest public teacher strike in the history of Rio de Janeiro that include people dying right now, in the international media, for example.

And yes, Israel has nice people, advanced technology, significant tolerance for Jews and Western tourists and all, but horrible politicians that should be dealt with in Hague and a very backward mentality, aside this thing of make-yourself-a-victim-and-cry tactic that I hate.

Western Muslims in American and Canada tend to be more tolerant than middle eastern ones.

[Mushet]

I know there's been quite the wave of Islamophobia in Europe, as tolerant the nordic countries seem to be many of the muslims over there still have to face a decent amount of Islamophobia every day.

[DrakoBlaria]

It exists, but I wouldn't say Europe as a continent is anti-semitic. Some people are (Minority) and most people aren't. Though yeah, most of Europe is anti-islamic

Can you blame them?

Nope, especially in some countries where Mosques were a sign of foreign rule and now they are forced to make ones with goverment funding...

[Fascist Russian Empire]

Semites who didn't integrate in our societies (the vast majority of them; a small minority of liberal Muslims and an even smaller one of liberal Jews there in Africa and Asia won't change things) and Muslims who didn't integrate in our societies are largely anti-European and anti-secularist.

Not that we see it as problem. We treat it as completely understandable in comparison with OUR fear of them and what they do where they are majority and rule the fuck out of the oppressed people (who are mostly sheeple and agree with the terrible conditions in which they live) becoming commonplace in our countries.

While I don't like this ebul muslims fad and in fact I believe we should be no Godparents of Israhell, the sieve for accepting them should be thinner and so should be our tolerance to sharia and horrible practices and mentality. Especially here, but also there. In fact I don't know how the developed world can talk about human rights while they feed Saudi Arabia.

"Israhell"? So you are saying that because Jews and Muslims who escaped oppression and don't want to give up their culture deserve discrimination?

What's so special about Israel? What about the Palestinians, do they not deserve to have independence, are Israelis somehow better than Palestinians? There is no 'oppression' against Jewish people anymore, that is not a valid argument in Israel's favor.

[DrakoBlaria]

I know there's been quite the wave of Islamophobia in Europe, as tolerant the nordic countries seem to be many of the muslims over there still have to face a decent amount of homophobia every day.

The fuck?

[Gokturkistan]

Anti-Islamism is very prevalent in much of Europe at the moment, I would say, which would not be a bad thing if it was the secular attacking a religion for being outdated and in some cases barbaric and inhuman, however, it is usually the case of some white Christian nationalist who would never dream of attacking Christianity or Judaism for the same things.

As for Anti-Judaism (anti-Semitism is correctly, a hatred or opposition to Semites, Arabs included) this is not the case in the mainstream of almost any country (except some anti-Socialist and pro-Nazi states in the Baltic region) where Jews are one of the most protected and least oppressed groups (this is due to the fact that they were one of the most oppressed historically). I would say there is so little anti-Jewish sentiment and so much memory of Nazism that many are afraid to even criticise the Jewish faith (as all faiths should be) or Zionism (a Fascist ideology that should not be accepted).

I would say in Western Europe, Slavs and Turks seem to get a large share of hatred due to the propaganda about immigrants (actually caused by companies hiring migrant workers to pay nowt) and those groups being associated with that.

If we want to mention the most oppressed group then that would be the Roma that are seen acceptable targets for discrimination in many European states. A group who suffered equally with Jews under the Nazis but who don't get any recognition or many protections.

[Post-Modern Techno Shamans]

I think that Europe is both anti-Semitic and anti-Islamic. Scandinavia seems like the most "friendly" place in Europe towards foreigners. I have dual citizenship with Sweden and everyone there is nice and tolerant. UK, Southern Europe and Eastern Europe seem the most racist in my opinion due to modern white nationalism and an attitude that screams, "STOP WHITE GENOCIDE!!111"

So NSG, what do you think?

Is Israel anti-Islamic or just Anti-Arab/Palestinian?