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Is it anti-Semitic and/or anti-Islam?

Yes
45
16%
No
164
59%
Yes but only Islam
58
21%
Yes but only Judaism
10
4%
 
Total votes : 277

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Leningrad Union
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Postby Leningrad Union » Sat Oct 05, 2013 5:26 pm

Risottia wrote:
Leningrad Union wrote:I think that Europe is both anti-Semitic and anti-Islamic.

Prove your claim.

Scandinavia seems like the most "friendly" place in Europe towards foreigners.

Prove your claim.
Also, what has "being a foreigner" got to do with "being Semitic or Muslim"?

I have dual citizenship with Sweden and everyone there is nice and tolerant. UK, Southern Europe and Eastern Europe seem the most racist in my opinion due to modern white nationalism and an attitude that screams, "STOP WHITE GENOCIDE!!111"
So NSG, what do you think?


Sauce or bullshit.

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Postby The Genoese Cromanatum » Sat Oct 05, 2013 5:26 pm

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You are avoiding debating the whole point of his post by dissecting it and questioning specific parts of the post. Ergo, Strawman.

Not so. A strawman fallacy is when you claim your opponent said something he did not and then you dismantle it and claim victory.


Curse these outdated American textbooks.

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Postby Fascist Russian Empire » Sat Oct 05, 2013 5:27 pm

Leningrad Union wrote:
Fascist Russian Empire wrote: :palm:
You clearly know next to nothing about the Islamic world. Nearly every single country in the Middle East and North Africa has criminalized homosexuality, punishable by death in several.

I was talking about jews

Newsflash! Jews can be homophobic too!

And last time I checked, Israel wasn't exactly a forerunner in LGBT rights.

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Postby Helghast Imperial Republic » Sat Oct 05, 2013 5:27 pm

500 million of different peoples,with different cultures, languages, attitude, way of thinking and we are ALL islamophobic and anti-semitic?
It would be like saying all Americans are fat,gun-lovers, bible's lovers, fanatic, arrogant and stupid and obviously Republican voters.
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Postby Farnhamia » Sat Oct 05, 2013 5:28 pm

The Genoese Cromanatum wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Not so. A strawman fallacy is when you claim your opponent said something he did not and then you dismantle it and claim victory.


Curse these outdated American textbooks.

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Postby America Libertaria » Sat Oct 05, 2013 5:28 pm

Mushet wrote:
America Libertaria wrote:How can you blame them for being anti-Islamic when Muslims flood into the Europeans' countries and tell the Europeans to change their ways. There are even shariah courts in the UK for Christ's sake.

You have a problem with Beth Din courts as well?


Yes.

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Postby Mushet » Sat Oct 05, 2013 5:29 pm

Fascist Russian Empire wrote:
Mushet wrote:Homophobia is rampant throughout the world, Islamic and not.

Sadly yes, but Muslims don't really face homophobia when they are the ones perpetrating it.

Muslims can face homophobia just like anybody else can, they don't all perpetuate it, and there are gay muslims too, they're not just a big hive mind y'know, they're people.
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Postby Mefpan » Sat Oct 05, 2013 5:29 pm

Leningrad Union wrote:
Risottia wrote:Prove your claim.


Prove your claim.
Also, what has "being a foreigner" got to do with "being Semitic or Muslim"?



Sauce or bullshit.

Go away

If you make a point on the internet or life in general (but especially on the internet, as that is where the vicious folk get really persistant about things) you are expected to defend it once someone contests it. Not drop to your knees, huddle up in a dark corner and go "LALALALALALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU".

Please consider the fact that basing the entire point of a thread around shady claims backed by nothing but unproven personal experience is pretty much asking for people to lay down the metaphorical flak fire.
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Postby Mushet » Sat Oct 05, 2013 5:30 pm

America Libertaria wrote:
Mushet wrote:You have a problem with Beth Din courts as well?


Yes.

Why?
"what I believe is like a box, and we’re taking the energy of our thinking and putting into a box of beliefs, pretending that we’re thinking...I’ve gone through most of my life not believing anything. Either I know or I don’t know, or I think." - John Trudell

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Postby Mefpan » Sat Oct 05, 2013 5:31 pm

Mushet wrote:
America Libertaria wrote:
Yes.

Why?

I'd reckon it's because religion is generally a bad thing to base matters of law around.
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Postby Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f » Sat Oct 05, 2013 5:31 pm

Souseiseki wrote:
Leningrad Union wrote:Where are you from?


scotland


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Postby America Libertaria » Sat Oct 05, 2013 5:33 pm

Mushet wrote:
America Libertaria wrote:
Yes.

Why?


There should be no form of religion in any form or government or court. Period.

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Postby America Libertaria » Sat Oct 05, 2013 5:33 pm

Mefpan wrote:
Mushet wrote:Why?

I'd reckon it's because religion is generally a bad thing to base matters of law around.


You read my mind.

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Postby Mushet » Sat Oct 05, 2013 5:34 pm

Mefpan wrote:
Mushet wrote:Why?

I'd reckon it's because religion is generally a bad thing to base matters of law around.

If 2 people agree to handle an issue pertaining to religious law why not opt to go do it in a religious court?
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Gun control is, and always has been, a tool of white supremacy.

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Postby Mushet » Sat Oct 05, 2013 5:36 pm

America Libertaria wrote:
Mushet wrote:Why?


There should be no form of religion in any form or government or court. Period.

Even a religious court for handling religious issues? That doesn't sound right.
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Gun control is, and always has been, a tool of white supremacy.

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Postby Mefpan » Sat Oct 05, 2013 5:37 pm

Mushet wrote:
Mefpan wrote:I'd reckon it's because religion is generally a bad thing to base matters of law around.

If 2 people agree to handle an issue pertaining to religious law why not opt to go do it in a religious court?

Again, because religion is a bad way to deal with matters of law. I'd much rather if people chose the reasonable option, but I can't prevent people from making decisions I consider sub-optimal, no matter how much I'd like to.
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Postby America Libertaria » Sat Oct 05, 2013 5:38 pm

Mushet wrote:
America Libertaria wrote:
There should be no form of religion in any form or government or court. Period.

Even a religious court for handling religious issues? That doesn't sound right.


Religion doesn't tend to be fair.

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Postby Risottia » Sat Oct 05, 2013 5:39 pm

The Genoese Cromanatum wrote:
Risottia wrote:
Explain yourself, or take a sabbatical in Definitionland.


You are avoiding debating the whole point of his post by dissecting it and questioning specific parts of the post. Ergo, Strawman.


Evidently you don't even know what a strawman is.
I guess the point is mine. Train to Definitionland leaves in three minutes from platform eight and e/pi, I'd catch it if I were you.
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Postby Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f » Sat Oct 05, 2013 5:41 pm

Risottia wrote:
The Genoese Cromanatum wrote:
You are avoiding debating the whole point of his post by dissecting it and questioning specific parts of the post. Ergo, Strawman.


Evidently you don't even know what a strawman is.
I guess the point is mine. Train to Definitionland leaves in three minutes from platform eight and e/pi, I'd catch it if I were you.


Wait...this guy is actually at a train station?
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Postby Risottia » Sat Oct 05, 2013 5:43 pm

Leningrad Union wrote:
Risottia wrote:Sauce or bullshit.

Go away


So no source, I see. Hm.
Who would have thought. Just some nationalistic rant in favour of one of your countries and against other countries.
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Postby Risottia » Sat Oct 05, 2013 5:43 pm

Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f wrote:
Risottia wrote:
Evidently you don't even know what a strawman is.
I guess the point is mine. Train to Definitionland leaves in three minutes from platform eight and e/pi, I'd catch it if I were you.


Wait...this guy is actually at a train station?


He'd better be by now or the train will leave without him.
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Postby Mushet » Sat Oct 05, 2013 5:44 pm

America Libertaria wrote:
Mushet wrote:Even a religious court for handling religious issues? That doesn't sound right.


Religion doesn't tend to be fair.

It's voluntary and deals with issues within the religion, in the UK that is.
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Gun control is, and always has been, a tool of white supremacy.

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Postby Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f » Sat Oct 05, 2013 5:45 pm

Risottia wrote:
Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f wrote:
Wait...this guy is actually at a train station?


He'd better be by now or the train will leave without him.



I'm not convinced he knows what a train, let along a station, is...
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Postby Mefpan » Sat Oct 05, 2013 5:49 pm

Mushet wrote:
America Libertaria wrote:
Religion doesn't tend to be fair.

It's voluntary and deals with issues within the religion, in the UK that is.

Do religious courts have any advantage over secular ones? Do people really need to be dragged to some sort of court over perceived breech of some religious law that has no place in modern society?
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Postby America Libertaria » Sat Oct 05, 2013 5:49 pm

Mushet wrote:
America Libertaria wrote:
Religion doesn't tend to be fair.

It's voluntary and deals with issues within the religion, in the UK that is.


And it should end immediately. You should read what some religions believe and then come back to me. I'm a Christian but I don't want a Christian court.

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