US Government Shutdown? Not any more!

[The Orson Empire]

Now I won't be able to get free lunch anymore until the government reopens.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Okay. Show me the numbers of America's increasing debt with Obamacare, and without it. Back up your assertions with numbers.

I'm going to go with the debt ceiling being about to run out again.

I don't give a flying fig about Obamacare tbh, you need to make cuts, when you've told the rest of the world how to run their affairs, first in first out was a pretty common rule.

You...don't know what the debt ceiling is, or how it works, do you?

Maybe ASB or someone else who enjoys giving detailed, thoughtful, and well-sourced explanations of why people are horrifyingly wrong can help you with that. And since you don't have the numbers to show what effect the ACA will have on the economy, you've essentially acknowledged that you have no argument whatsoever.

[GrandKirche]

I'm going to go with the debt ceiling being about to run out again.

wholly arbitrary fiscal limits Bachmann!

When you can afford your country's expenses, you're not borrowing, and don't hit the ceiling.

[Llamalandia]

Better than paying someone to go shoot brown people.

At least the panda webcam provides value to the public.

I don't know what context this is in but it appears you are advocating pandas and the execution of black people equally.

For the record I'm against shooting either except perhaps in self defense. But yeah, not sure what brown peole is supposed to refer to either, is he talking mideast, mexico, the jersey shore cast? I don't know.

[Mkuki]

If Obama isn't willing to negotiate on anything then shut the whole thing down. Rather than broker compromises and do what the American people voted him into office to do he has acted like a 5 year old and declared that he doesn't wanna play anymore if he doesn't get everything 100% his way. 2016 is getting closer and his two terms are up. Then we can put the 8 years of I refuse to negotiate (his job) behind us.

Except Obama can't negotiate. He's the President. He can't write legislation.

[The New World Oceania]

The Democrats are willing to negotiate?

The Democrats didn't show up to negotiate.

My god.

That staged photo op absolutely supports your assertion.

I'll have to rethink everything now.

I was prepared to do some lampshade hanging to note that I knew it clearly wasn't a game-changing source, but you've about voided that by telling us Xenu confirmed it was a staged photo op.

[Mkuki]

wholly arbitrary fiscal limits Bachmann!

When you can afford your country's expenses, you're not borrowing, and don't hit the ceiling.

Plenty of other countries with greater GDP-Debt ratios seem to be doing quite well without a debt ceiling.

[Kalgeron]

We do have proportional (based on population) representation in the house where Republicans have more seats than Democrats. We do not have proportional representation in the senate (2 senators per state) where Democrats have more seats than Republicans, so I am not sure what you are talking about. Hawaii gets just as many senators as California which is in no way proportional to their populations.

Just because someone gets elected president (not emperor) does not give them a mandate to do whatever they like. Every president has to go through congress and the senate to compromise and negotiate for what they want done.

And he did that three years ago, when the law was passed. Also see my other comments above.

Well now he has to negotiate and compromise if he wants any money from congress. If they make repealing the healthcare bill one of the bargaining chips then it is a bargaining chip. It isn't magically exempt.

[Greed and Death]

If Obama isn't willing to negotiate on anything then shut the whole thing down. Rather than broker compromises and do what the American people voted him into office to do he has acted like a 5 year old and declared that he doesn't wanna play anymore if he doesn't get everything 100% his way. 2016 is getting closer and his two terms are up. Then we can put the 8 years of I refuse to negotiate (his job) behind us.

Except Obama can't negotiate. He's the President. He can't write legislation.

He is head of his party, and he has veto power he is part of negoiations.

He can partially duck until the senate ever passes the budget with a delay the mandate provisions.

[GrandKirche]

When you can afford your country's expenses, you're not borrowing, and don't hit the ceiling.

Plenty of other countries with greater GDP-Debt ratios seem to be doing quite well without a debt ceiling.

Because they are trusted to pay the money back.

[Sdaeriji]

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Also, our economy has been improving significantly for years.

You still haven't got the money. America is relying on increasing debt. That's the point at which you'd be telling the honourable land of anywhere else to reform or no money for you.

Jesus Christ, that's not how government finances work.

[Mkuki]

Except Obama can't negotiate. He's the President. He can't write legislation.

He is head of his party, and he has veto power he is part of negoiations.

He can partially duck until the senate ever passes the budget with a delay the mandate provisions.

So? It's not the President's job to negotiate with Republicans. That's what Democratic congresspeople are supposed to be doing.

[The UK in Exile]

My god.

That staged photo op absolutely supports your assertion.

I'll have to rethink everything now.

I was prepared to do some lampshade hanging to note that I knew it clearly wasn't a game-changing source, but you've about voided that by telling us Xenu confirmed it was a staged photo op.

Its clearly a staged photo op. the way you can tell is that there's a fucking camera man at a "genuine" opportunity for negotiations.

[Llamalandia]

If Obama isn't willing to negotiate on anything then shut the whole thing down. Rather than broker compromises and do what the American people voted him into office to do he has acted like a 5 year old and declared that he doesn't wanna play anymore if he doesn't get everything 100% his way. 2016 is getting closer and his two terms are up. Then we can put the 8 years of I refuse to negotiate (his job) behind us.

Except Obama can't negotiate. He's the President. He can't write legislation.

No but he has leverage both as a memeber of the dem party and as POTUS he can sign or veto any legislation, if he signals a veto as he has it tends to influence the way members of congress write bills nad which way they vote if he agrees not to veto same thing in the other direction.

[Kalgeron]

If Obama isn't willing to negotiate on anything then shut the whole thing down. Rather than broker compromises and do what the American people voted him into office to do he has acted like a 5 year old and declared that he doesn't wanna play anymore if he doesn't get everything 100% his way. 2016 is getting closer and his two terms are up. Then we can put the 8 years of I refuse to negotiate (his job) behind us.

Except Obama can't negotiate. He's the President. He can't write legislation.

He does sign legislation into law or veto it however.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

My god.

That staged photo op absolutely supports your assertion.

I'll have to rethink everything now.

I was prepared to do some lampshade hanging to note that I knew it clearly wasn't a game-changing source, but you've about voided that by telling us Xenu confirmed it was a staged photo op.

Well, in a contest between the House GOP and the guy who stacked the bodies of his enemies around volcanoes until the volcanoes blew up and became engrams...or something...I'm going with the Evil Space Emperor.

[Mkuki]

Plenty of other countries with greater GDP-Debt ratios seem to be doing quite well without a debt ceiling.

Because they are trusted to pay the money back.

What? The ones I'm talking about have debts larger than their GDP. There's really no reason to trust them more than the United States government.

[Greed and Death]

We do have proportional (based on population) representation in the house where Republicans have more seats than Democrats. We do not have proportional representation in the senate (2 senators per state) where Democrats have more seats than Republicans, so I am not sure what you are talking about. Hawaii gets just as many senators as California which is in no way proportional to their populations.

Just because someone gets elected president (not emperor) does not give them a mandate to do whatever they like. Every president has to go through congress and the senate to compromise and negotiate for what they want done.

And he did that three years ago, when the law was passed. Also see my other comments above.

Since then Republicans have been elected to the house until 2022, so they get a say in how that law is implemented.

No one cried foul when the democrats used the defense budget to pass a hate crimes bill. At least the Republicans know how to man up and play politics instead of crying every-time someone dares to use the tricks to pass things they don't like.

[The New World Oceania]

I was prepared to do some lampshade hanging to note that I knew it clearly wasn't a game-changing source, but you've about voided that by telling us Xenu confirmed it was a staged photo op.

Its clearly a staged photo op. the way you can tell is that there's a fucking camera man at a "genuine" opportunity for negotiations.

A photo with a story seen only on a Congressman's Twitter proves that the GOP has been plotting this one since Clinton.

[Llamalandia]

I was prepared to do some lampshade hanging to note that I knew it clearly wasn't a game-changing source, but you've about voided that by telling us Xenu confirmed it was a staged photo op.

Well, in a contest between the House GOP and the guy who stacked the bodies of his enemies around volcanoes until the volcanoes blew up and became engrams...or something...I'm going with the Evil Space Emperor.

Are you kidding me, the GOP has Darth Cheney on it's side for crying out lout, I'm sure he could take out an army of xenus thetans or whatever and then some.

[Kalgeron]

This is not the Republicans fault, it is the fault of both parties and it isn't the end of the world. The shutdown was because of a standoff between Republicans AND Democrats. It is a temporary shut down which shuts down all non essential US government services. I don't think it is a good thing but I shouldn't be blamed on just the Republicans because people don't like it.

If Obama isn't willing to negotiate on anything then shut the whole thing down. Rather than broker compromises and do what the American people voted him into office to do he has acted like a 5 year old and declared that he doesn't wanna play anymore if he doesn't get everything 100% his way. 2016 is getting closer and his two terms are up. Then we can put the 8 years of I refuse to negotiate (his job) behind us.

No. This is not the fault of Obama, nor is it the fault of both the Republicans and the Democrats.

The Democrats proposed a bill. It was passed by both houses of Congress, and signed into law. The law was challenged on Constitutional grounds, and was upheld by the highest court in the land. The GOP then ran a candidate for President who promised to repeal the law. He lost by a significant margin. They have attempted nearly fifty repeals of the law. All of them failed. Now the Republicans are playing havoc with people's lives by shutting down the government until this bill that has passed through every single facet of our constitutional representative democracy's system of checks and balances is modified somehow? No. There is nothing to negotiate. They had several opportunities to repeal, overhaul, or otherwise get rid of the AHCA, and they failed at all of them. This isn't about two sides refusing to compromise. This is about one side refusing to accept the consequences of failure on their part.

Nothing is ever really settled in Washington. If Congress wants to attempt to repeal the healthcare bill for the next 20 years that is their right. It's not like something gets made a law and is never repealed or altered ever again.

[Greed and Death]

You still haven't got the money. America is relying on increasing debt. That's the point at which you'd be telling the honourable land of anywhere else to reform or no money for you.

Jesus Christ, that's not how government finances work.

It is how government fiances until the mandate is repealed.

[The Silver Bloods]

Mainly this problem started because the Democrats and Obama refuse to negotiate with the Republicans. If the two parties came up with a compromise there wouldn't even be a shut down.

[Blekksprutia]

I like how Google's logo is Yosemite even though it's closed because of the shutdown XP

[Sdaeriji]

Jesus Christ, that's not how government finances work.

It is how government fiances until the mandate is repealed.

Haha, touche.