Shooting in Chicago park

[Havenburgh]

TOO MANY PEOPLE DEAD FROM SHOOTINGS!!!!!

[Serrland]

As someone who lives in Chicago: the above is entirely accurate.

And I'd like to point out that the gun was carried, used and likely kept illegally.

It was almost guaranteed to have been Kept and carried illegally, and certainly was used so.

So much for gun control disarming criminals.

My suspicion is that the gun will originate in Indiana. They so often are, sadly. Gangs seem to thrive on running them across from that cesspool Gary.

[Northern Dominus]

Just another gang shooting in Chicago. Nothing of note.

As someone who lives in Chicago: the above is entirely accurate.

And I'd like to point out that the gun was carried, used and likely kept illegally.

As somebody else who lives in Chicago, there is no "just another" gang shooting. And this wasn't some drive-by or standoff, this was somebody whipping out a gun and firing wildly and hitting bystanders.

As someone who lives in Chicago: the above is entirely accurate.

And I'd like to point out that the gun was carried, used and likely kept illegally.

It was almost guaranteed to have been Kept and carried illegally, and certainly was used so.

So much for gun control disarming criminals.

Yeah, funny thing about that, most of those guns are coming from veritable black market states like Indiana, Michigan, Kentucky and Wisconsin. You know where background checks for transfers of weapons between "private individuals" are laughed at and weapons like shotguns aren't even regulated among other things?

Now one way to control that is by making every single major road into Illinois from those states a one-toll only road with a checkpoint and searching suspicious vehicles as they get to the tolls..

It was almost guaranteed to have been Kept and carried illegally, and certainly was used so.

So much for gun control disarming criminals.

My suspicion is that the gun will originate in Indiana. They so often are, sadly. Gangs seem to thrive on running them across from that cesspool Gary.

I was gonna say, I'd bet the Gary/East Chicago hole is probably where the weapon came from...
You know, if we had neighbors that were making this much trouble for us in the city, wouldn't the city IE the people in charge eventually step in and intercede? Where the hell is the federal government when you need it, because Mike Pence clearly won't do anything and ISP is overtaxed as it is.

[Serrland]

My suspicion is that the gun will originate in Indiana. They so often are, sadly. Gangs seem to thrive on running them across from that cesspool Gary.

I was gonna say, I'd bet the Gary/East Chicago hole is probably where the weapon came from...
You know, if we had neighbors that were making this much trouble for us in the city, wouldn't the city IE the people in charge eventually step in and intercede? Where the hell is the federal government when you need it, because Mike Pence clearly won't do anything and ISP is overtaxed as it is.

To be honest, I'd have no problem with there being "checkpoints" at the Illinois-Indiana border. The Skyway is a traffic disaster anyways, you know?

I'm not entirely joking. I have no problems with bringing guns across the border. I myself am a FOID-holding owner of a legal firearm. I just want to make sure others are, too. If you're found in possession of a firearm you cannot legally carry when crossing into Illinois, it should be confiscated and the proper legal measures taken against the owner/possessor of that weapon.

[New Octopucta]

Chicago's gun laws are so ridiculous. If that 3 year old had been allowed to own a gun, none of this would have happened.

[Ermarian]

http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/20/justice/chicago-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

A mass shooting at a Chicago park left a 3-year-old boy in critical condition and returned the spotlight to gun violence in the city with the nation's highest number of homicides.
The child was among 13 people shot in Cornell Square Park on the city's South Side late Thursday night. None of the other victims were listed in critical condition early Friday.
The January shooting death of another child, 15-year-old Hadiya Pendleton, brought national attention to Chicago because the band majorette had performed in Washington at events surrounding President Barack Obama's inauguration in January.
The president invited Pendleton's parents to his State of the Union speech in February. Obama mentioned her in that speech and a few days later when he returned to Chicago, his hometown, for another speech in which he pressed for stricter gun laws.
Police charged two men in Pendleton's death. They said the two were gang members seeking revenge and mistook Pendleton for someone else.
Investigators believe Thursday night's shooting was also gang-related, said Officer Ron Gaines of the Chicago Police Department.
The 3-year-old victim was shot in the ear, and the bullet exited through his mouth, said Officer Ron Gaines of the Chicago Police Department.
The other victims included two 15-year-olds who were listed in stable condition, Gaines said. The remainder were adults ages 21 to 41. Four were in serious condition. The conditions of the others were listed as stable or good. One adult was treated and released from a hospital.
The shooting occurred in Cornell Square Park. Video from CNN affiliate WLS-TV showed police had taped off an outdoor basketball court.
No suspects were in custody late Thursday.
The FBI's annual crime report this week showed Chicago had 500 homicides in 2012, up from 431 in 2011 and more than any other American city. Chicago officials have said homicides this year are below the 2012 pace.

Thirteen wounded, no suspects...
This is how many days after the Washington shooting?
Ugh.

But hey, at least the Second Amendment remains unchallenged, and no body count is too big a price for that.

[Cetacea]

The United States is pretty pacifical if compared to my country that is among the 20 most violent since at least the early 1990s and I don't remember it ever being not among the 25 most violent since the point of estimates start in studies.

Yes, but everyone loves ragging on the U.S. Even some of our own people.

Richest Nation on earth, Leader of the Free world

or

poverty stricken hellhole with as much violence as 3rd world countries in the midst of civil war

[Northern Dominus]

I was gonna say, I'd bet the Gary/East Chicago hole is probably where the weapon came from...
You know, if we had neighbors that were making this much trouble for us in the city, wouldn't the city IE the people in charge eventually step in and intercede? Where the hell is the federal government when you need it, because Mike Pence clearly won't do anything and ISP is overtaxed as it is.

To be honest, I'd have no problem with there being "checkpoints" at the Illinois-Indiana border. The Skyway is a traffic disaster anyways, you know?

I'm not entirely joking. I have no problems with bringing guns across the border. I myself am a FOID-holding owner of a legal firearm. I just want to make sure others are, too. If you're found in possession of a firearm you cannot legally carry when crossing into Illinois, it should be confiscated and the proper legal measures taken against the owner/possessor of that weapon.

And that's my point. If we're not at a crisis point of loophole weapons being purchased and smuggled into the city at this point we're damn close, and since none of the black market states are interested in preventing the deaths of inner city residents and the ATF is chronically under-funded, then clearly the city and state need to take matters into their own hands. How many CPD task forces that are mayoral wet dreams or pet projects can be disbanded for now, or state "special" units?

I mean shit, this is our city in our state, and I dunno about you but I'm sick and tired of other people helping to dig a channel for that awful river of blood, and you have to think some ISP and CPD officers are just as sick and tired if not more so.

[Starkiller101]

how is it that every other new story is a shooting

[New Octopucta]

Richest Nation on earth, Leader of the Free world

or

poverty stricken hellhole with as much violence as 3rd world countries in the midst of civil war

Are you seriously saying that applying gun control turns 1st world countries into 3rd world ones? Because the British want to have a word with you if that's the case.

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

Yes, but everyone loves ragging on the U.S. Even some of our own people.

Richest Nation on earth, Leader of the Free world

or

poverty stricken hellhole with as much violence as 3rd world countries in the midst of civil war

Is this is a desqualification of criticism attempt?

The United States has lots of poverty too, you know...

[Big Jim P]

It was almost guaranteed to have been Kept and carried illegally, and certainly was used so.

So much for gun control disarming criminals.

Yeah, funny thing about that, most of those guns are coming from veritable black market states like Indiana, Michigan, Kentucky and Wisconsin. You know where background checks for transfers of weapons between "private individuals" are laughed at and weapons like shotguns aren't even regulated among other things?

Now one way to control that is by making every single major road into Illinois from those states a one-toll only road with a checkpoint and searching suspicious vehicles as they get to the tolls..

Or enact reasonable gun measures that work to keep every other place in America safer than Chicago.

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

Richest Nation on earth, Leader of the Free world

or

poverty stricken hellhole with as much violence as 3rd world countries in the midst of civil war

Are you seriously saying that applying gun control turns 1st world countries into 3rd world ones? Because the British want to have a word with you if that's the case.

Brazil doesn't even have gun control.

Aside that, psychopaths are majority in some areas within police, police is very corrupt, government is pure orgy upon our backs, income inequality is sometimes worse than anywhere on Africa, public services are African-level as well, prices are Scandinavian, the maximum prison term is 30 years and good behavior (even that of psychopaths) can lead to 2/3 penalty reduction.

[Ayreonia]

As someone who lives in Chicago: the above is entirely accurate.

And I'd like to point out that the gun was carried, used and likely kept illegally.

It was almost guaranteed to have been Kept and carried illegally, and certainly was used so.

So much for gun control disarming criminals.

Well, your gun rights aren't exactly keeping the people safe, either.

[Northern Dominus]

Yeah, funny thing about that, most of those guns are coming from veritable black market states like Indiana, Michigan, Kentucky and Wisconsin. You know where background checks for transfers of weapons between "private individuals" are laughed at and weapons like shotguns aren't even regulated among other things?

Now one way to control that is by making every single major road into Illinois from those states a one-toll only road with a checkpoint and searching suspicious vehicles as they get to the tolls..

Or enact reasonable gun measures that work to keep every other place in America safer than Chicago.

You mean like closing the gun show loophole? Yeah, good luck with that, maybe if you shut Wayne LaPierre and the rest of the Cult of the Gun up for the duration and let the adults work out some reasonable and universal firearms regulation, but that's not going to happen. Because unfortunately the wingnuts have more than a few pet politicians, and the rest of us are going to pay for that influence in blood until something drastic changes.

[Cetacea]

Richest Nation on earth, Leader of the Free world

or

poverty stricken hellhole with as much violence as 3rd world countries in the midst of civil war

Are you seriously saying that applying gun control turns 1st world countries into 3rd world ones? Because the British want to have a word with you if that's the case.

whaaa? no I was posing a question as to how we should be viewing the US given its violence problem - of the worlds 50 cities with the highest murder rates, the US appears 4 times (5 if you include San Juan). All the other nations are 3rd world or have recently been involved in a war

[The Serbian Empire]

Gang violence is well violent. It has the look of gang violence to me. America has an organized crime problem and shootings like this are the product of organized gangs of criminals.

[Serrland]

To be honest, I'd have no problem with there being "checkpoints" at the Illinois-Indiana border. The Skyway is a traffic disaster anyways, you know?

I'm not entirely joking. I have no problems with bringing guns across the border. I myself am a FOID-holding owner of a legal firearm. I just want to make sure others are, too. If you're found in possession of a firearm you cannot legally carry when crossing into Illinois, it should be confiscated and the proper legal measures taken against the owner/possessor of that weapon.

And that's my point. If we're not at a crisis point of loophole weapons being purchased and smuggled into the city at this point we're damn close, and since none of the black market states are interested in preventing the deaths of inner city residents and the ATF is chronically under-funded, then clearly the city and state need to take matters into their own hands. How many CPD task forces that are mayoral wet dreams or pet projects can be disbanded for now, or state "special" units?

I mean shit, this is our city in our state, and I dunno about you but I'm sick and tired of other people helping to dig a channel for that awful river of blood, and you have to think some ISP and CPD officers are just as sick and tired if not more so.

I mean, every so often someone mentions the governor calling up the national guard to police some of the neighborhoods most plagued by gun violence. That isn't what is going to stop it. A couple hundred national guard folks on the Indiana border might around the Hammond/Munster/Calumet City area might - or at least would do more than having armed troops in Auburn Gresham, Englewood, North Lawndale, etc. Declare the firearm, show proper paperwork, and be on your way. An inconvenience, yes, but if it can save even one innocent life it is worth it. What is an extra few minutes out of your day compared to a life?

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

Are you seriously saying that applying gun control turns 1st world countries into 3rd world ones? Because the British want to have a word with you if that's the case.

whaaa? no I was posing a question as to how we should be viewing the US given its violence problem - of the worlds 50 cities with the highest murder rates, the US appears 4 times (5 if you include San Juan).

The description you gave was more like Brazil. Especially the latter, given how police-confirmed intentional murders give each year half of casualties in an Iraq War here. Why I said the US is relatively peaceful.

[The Serbian Empire]

It was almost guaranteed to have been Kept and carried illegally, and certainly was used so.

So much for gun control disarming criminals.

Well, your gun rights aren't exactly keeping the people safe, either.

The criminals will keep doing what they're doing unless one were to subjugate organized criminal groups. Nothing short of legalizing all the drugs would destroy the criminal enterprises as they are left without most of their funds.

[Corrian]

Rockstar, why the fuck you released GTA V right now?

The funny thing is, GTA is a satirical social commentary.

It's satirising gun violence and gang culture, not endorsing it.

There are SO many jabs at American stereotypes and American culture stuff in general in GTA 5 in the commercials, the talk radio, and so on. Even gender stereotypes. You got the "Republican Space Marines" on TV, and the "Irritable Rage", one a group of extreme Republican's and the other an extreme Democrat.

On the subject of the thread, as always, it is sad to see so many people injured in a shooting. Surprised though that 13 people got shot and only one is in serious condition.

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

Well, your gun rights aren't exactly keeping the people safe, either.

The criminals will keep doing what they're doing unless one were to subjugate organized criminal groups. Nothing short of legalizing all the drugs would destroy the criminal enterprises as they are left without most of their funds.

I wonder why this is received with still so much opposition and skepticism.

It is people's choices to do what they want their own bodies.

[The Serbian Empire]

The criminals will keep doing what they're doing unless one were to subjugate organized criminal groups. Nothing short of legalizing all the drugs would destroy the criminal enterprises as they are left without most of their funds.

I wonder why this is received with still so much opposition and skepticism.

It is people's choices to do what they want their own bodies.

The fact that people on meth think they have bees in their teeth or the actions of people on PCP might explain why that doesn't happen.

[Northern Dominus]

And that's my point. If we're not at a crisis point of loophole weapons being purchased and smuggled into the city at this point we're damn close, and since none of the black market states are interested in preventing the deaths of inner city residents and the ATF is chronically under-funded, then clearly the city and state need to take matters into their own hands. How many CPD task forces that are mayoral wet dreams or pet projects can be disbanded for now, or state "special" units?

I mean shit, this is our city in our state, and I dunno about you but I'm sick and tired of other people helping to dig a channel for that awful river of blood, and you have to think some ISP and CPD officers are just as sick and tired if not more so.

I mean, every so often someone mentions the governor calling up the national guard to police some of the neighborhoods most plagued by gun violence. That isn't what is going to stop it. A couple hundred national guard folks on the Indiana border might around the Hammond/Munster/Calumet City area might. Declare the firearm, show proper paperwork, and be on your way. An inconvenience, yes, but if it can save even one innocent life it is worth it. What is an extra few minutes out of your day compared to a life?

At the very least it would stem the flow long enough for the CPD and ISP to crack down on the assholes storing them in the city proper. Plus you're right, with the snarls we get during the summer it's not like the flow of traffic will be any more impeded than it already is.

The other thing is the CPD desperately has to shake off that code of silence and all the BS that Burge brought with him. Hell, when the department does think laterally and work with the community in the end it's more successful. I looked at the effect of CAPS back in 93 and it was pretty successful, people trusted the police and the officers in turn had a bit more investment in the community. Nowadays you can't find any more than 5 people per block that actually trust the police to do their job in the wake of the Burge era, whether it's a legitimate reason or media-inflated hyperbole. I know Hizzoner has promised to restart and revitalize the CAPS program, but Hizzoner has promised a lot of things and has yet to deliver...

[Ayreonia]

Well, your gun rights aren't exactly keeping the people safe, either.

The criminals will keep doing what they're doing unless one were to subjugate organized criminal groups. Nothing short of legalizing all the drugs would destroy the criminal enterprises as they are left without most of their funds.

Just for the record, I support the legalization of most drugs.

I understand. No, I really do. I'm not some control freak who's convinced that guns equal evil. It's just that I've seen zero evidence that guns would save people's lives.