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The Corparation wrote:Putin should win the Nobel Prize in Super-Villainy, for showing us that Bond Style Evil Geniuses don't have to hold the world to ransom with death rays or nukes for gold, they can instead rise to the top of a country through mostly legitimate political means and acquire control of a decent chunk of the world's nuclear arsenal without all that bother of having to worry about whether 007 is banging their mistress.

*implying that he doesn't rig elections*

Frisivisia wrote:

Souriya Al-Assad wrote:
Agreed. The Putin deserves the Prize.

Knowing you, I'd think you'd support Bathar Al Athad.

However, one must recognise: One does not simply Mossad The Assad.

Wolfenium wrote:To a man who suppressed free speech, outlaws homosexuality and invades breakaway states and unruly ex-puppets, I don't think so. But then, they gave one to Obama solely for being the first non-white president to be elected in the US, so I don't expect to be surprised if Putin somehow got one.

Wolfenium wrote:To a man who actively suppresses free speech, turns the government into a Russian roulette between him and his cronies, outlaws gays and invades breakway states like a boss, I don't think he deserves one. But given the comittee had already given one to Obama for presence alone, I wouldn't be surprised if Tsar Putin actually gets one.

We get it.

Neoconstantius wrote:

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
You know who says stuff like that? Rape apologists.

Nope, Pussy Riot wasn't asking for it. Putin is a reactionary leader who doesn't give a fuck about his people. He has no compunction about trampling other people's right. He's not Nobel Prize material.

And for the record, neither was Obama. I thought that him winning it was a travesty.

That's a pretty irrelevant factoid, considering that Pussy Riot was not raped. They were arrested for violating the law. Rape has nothing to do with this.

Exactly, they were nothing but talentless attention seekers who got more publicity then they could possibly deserve.

Souriya Al-Assad wrote:

Frisivisia wrote:Knowing you, I'd think you'd support Bathar Al Athad.

However, one must recognise: One does not simply Mossad The Assad.

Exactly, nobody messes with the Lion.

OMGeverynameistaken wrote:Being a leader of a major power pretty much automatically entails being a bastard.

That said, Putin doesn't deserve a Nobel peace prize. Neither does Obama. Really, being a national leader should pretty much automatically disqualify you from the running.

Not only that. Giving it to someone like Putin, or Obama, diminishes the importance of holding such a prestigious prize. And it leaves worthier people out.

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:

Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:
Pussy Riot was kinda asking for it.

You know who says stuff like that? Rape apologists.

Nope, Pussy Riot wasn't asking for it. Putin is a reactionary leader who doesn't give a fuck about his people. He has no compunction about trampling other people's right. He's not Nobel Prize material.

And for the record, neither was Obama. I thought that him winning it was a travesty.

Out of curiosity, do you believe that being reactionary automatically makes somebody a bad leader who doesn't care about their people?

Hell fucking no.

Finium wrote:

The Corparation wrote:Putin should win the Nobel Prize in Super-Villainy, for showing us that Bond Style Evil Geniuses don't have to hold the world to ransom with death rays or nukes for gold, they can instead rise to the top of a country through mostly legitimate political means and acquire control of a decent chunk of the world's nuclear arsenal without all that bother of having to worry about whether 007 is banging their mistress.

*implying that he doesn't rig elections*

*implying that you have credible evidence that he rigs elections*

Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:So since Russia was able to avert a war in Syria by standing up to the US of A, there are growing rumors that perhaps Vladimir Putin should deserve the Nobel Peace Prize.
http://www.minnpost.com/politics-policy/2013/09/pr-campaign-gears-get-nobel-peace-prize-putin
He is clearly a wise leader and although he has some unflattering tendencies (like his attitude towards homosexuals) so did Obama (Drones, NSA, etc) and that didn't stop him from getting one or having said prize revoked.

I know it's a longshot, since the Nobel Committee is ideologically aligned with western values and is probably loath to give a prize to someone who so strongly opposes the liberal transatlantic power structure but it's worth speculating because he arguably is the most formidable statesman of our day.

Last I checked, the Nobel Peace Prize was supposed to go to people who furthered the cause of international peace. And by that metric, Putin's certainly done more than Barack Obama.

Farnhamia wrote:

Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:So since Russia was able to avert a war in Syria by standing up to the US of A, there are growing rumors that perhaps Vladimir Putin should deserve the Nobel Peace Prize.
http://www.minnpost.com/politics-policy/2013/09/pr-campaign-gears-get-nobel-peace-prize-putin
He is clearly a wise leader and although he has some unflattering tendencies (like his attitude towards homosexuals) so did Obama (Drones, NSA, etc) and that didn't stop him from getting one or having said prize revoked.

I know it's a longshot, since the Nobel Committee is ideologically aligned with western values and is probably loath to give a prize to someone who so strongly opposes the liberal transatlantic power structure but it's worth speculating because he arguably is the most formidable statesman of our day.

He averted a war? He's been enabling the already existing war there. How about he brings Assad and the rebels to the conference table and brokers a real peace? That would be worth a Peace Prize.

Hey it worked for Henry Kissinger!

OMGeverynameistaken wrote:

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
You know who says stuff like that? Rape apologists.

Nope, Pussy Riot wasn't asking for it. Putin is a reactionary leader who doesn't give a fuck about his people. He has no compunction about trampling other people's right. He's not Nobel Prize material.

And for the record, neither was Obama. I thought that him winning it was a travesty.

Out of curiosity, do you believe that being reactionary automatically makes somebody a bad leader who doesn't care about their people?

In Putin's case, absolutely.

He might have just kept America out of another war. So why not? It's not like the some of the people who have received it before him were any more deserving.

Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:

Wolfenium wrote:To a man who actively suppresses free speech, turns the government into a Russian roulette between him and his cronies, outlaws gays and invades breakway states like a boss, I don't think he deserves one. But given the comittee had already given one to Obama for presence alone, I wouldn't be surprised if Tsar Putin actually gets one.

So you admit at least that he is a boss.

It takes a lot more effort to stay up there than people assume. I don't necessarily approve of his policies, but who wouldn't want to be in his position?

Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:

Souriya Al-Assad wrote:
However, one must recognise: One does not simply Mossad The Assad.

Exactly, nobody messes with the Lion.

My point indeed.

Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:

Neoconstantius wrote:That's a pretty irrelevant factoid, considering that Pussy Riot was not raped. They were arrested for violating the law. Rape has nothing to do with this.

Exactly, they were nothing but talentless attention seekers who got more publicity then they could possibly deserve.

And were expressing free speech. Honestly, this is like the call to arrest Mapplethorpe. Freedom of speech is freedom of expression.
And if "talentless hackiness" were a legitimate crime, 1d and Nickelback would be sharing a very crowded cell.

Finium wrote:

The Corparation wrote:Putin should win the Nobel Prize in Super-Villainy, for showing us that Bond Style Evil Geniuses don't have to hold the world to ransom with death rays or nukes for gold, they can instead rise to the top of a country through mostly legitimate political means and acquire control of a decent chunk of the world's nuclear arsenal without all that bother of having to worry about whether 007 is banging their mistress.

*implying that he doesn't rig elections*

*Implying that I put legitimate means instead of mostly legitimate. Although I did consider and probably should have used questionably.

Neoconstantius wrote:

Wolfenium wrote:To a man who suppressed free speech, outlaws homosexuality and invades breakaway states and unruly ex-puppets, I don't think so. But then, they gave one to Obama solely for being the first non-white president to be elected in the US, so I don't expect to be surprised if Putin somehow got one.

Wolfenium wrote:To a man who actively suppresses free speech, turns the government into a Russian roulette between him and his cronies, outlaws gays and invades breakway states like a boss, I don't think he deserves one. But given the comittee had already given one to Obama for presence alone, I wouldn't be surprised if Tsar Putin actually gets one.

We get it.

Blame my internet connection...

Neoconstantius wrote:

Wolfenium wrote:To a man who suppressed free speech, outlaws homosexuality and invades breakaway states and unruly ex-puppets, I don't think so. But then, they gave one to Obama solely for being the first non-white president to be elected in the US, so I don't expect to be surprised if Putin somehow got one.

Wolfenium wrote:To a man who actively suppresses free speech, turns the government into a Russian roulette between him and his cronies, outlaws gays and invades breakway states like a boss, I don't think he deserves one. But given the comittee had already given one to Obama for presence alone, I wouldn't be surprised if Tsar Putin actually gets one.

We get it.

Let me correct that for him: "Restores order against Qutbist insurgents attempting to threaten Russian civilians". (Chechnya versus The Putin)

"Thwarts a nation's flagrant attempt at annexing Russian territories, in which said nation also was occupied massacring its way around in Abkhazia & South Ossetia before wanting to mess with the Bear". (Georgia versus The Putin)

Putin deserves it. Then again, it's also worthless considering who has been considered for it and why.

Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:

The Scientific States wrote:Nobel Peace Prize for Putin?

The man who suppresses free speech, makes journalists disappear, the man who oversaw the invasion of Georgia, the man who hates homosexuality now deserves a peace prize?

I don't think so.

The other stuff is small compared to what he prevented in Syria.

Your argument is "ignore all the bad stuff because of one good thing that happened after 13 years of government"?

Cu Math wrote:

Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:
Exactly, they were nothing but talentless attention seekers who got more publicity then they could possibly deserve.

And were expressing free speech. Honestly, this is like the call to arrest Mapplethorpe. Freedom of speech is freedom of expression.
And if "talentless hackiness" were a legitimate crime, 1d and Nickelback would be sharing a very crowded cell.

Miley Cyrus would be looking at hard time for Aggravated Pointlessness.

Geilinor wrote:

Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:
The other stuff is small compared to what he prevented in Syria.

Your argument is "ignore all the bad stuff because of one good thing that happened after 13 years of government"?

In essence it seems like he is indeed saying that.

Souriya Al-Assad wrote:

Neoconstantius wrote:We get it.

Let me correct that for him: "Restores order against Qutbist insurgents attempting to threaten Russian civilians". (Chechnya versus The Putin)

"Thwarts a nation's flagrant attempt at annexing Russian territories, in which said nation also was occupied massacring its way around in Abkhazia & South Ossetia before wanting to mess with the Bear". (Georgia versus The Putin)

Shhh, we can't go around admitting that Russia was in the right about something! That's not how civilized people behave!

The Scientific States wrote:Nobel Peace Prize for Putin?

The man who suppresses free speech, makes journalists disappear, the man who oversaw the invasion of Georgia, the man who hates homosexuality now deserves a peace prize?

I don't think so.

Oh, I'm sorry, were we supposed to send Saakashvili a thank you letter for ruthlessly killing our civilians and peacekeepers? Oh wait, no. We were supposed to write a sternly worded resolution, amirite?

The Scientific States wrote:

Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:
The whole invasion thing was kinda justified if you think about it (plus that was technically under Medvedev's watch)
The other stuff is ancillary compared to what he prevented in Syria.

The invasion was carried out during Putin's last few months in office. Plus the invasion wasn't justified, they simply wanted to make sure South Ossetia didn't become independent or what we.

Actually, the initial response was justified, but facts don't matter to some when they're talking about the Ossetian War. All they see is "Putin bad!", facts be damned! The second part of the response was Russia overreacting. Don't want us to overreact? Don't attack us. We're tired of being attacked, and will overreact if you start shit with us. Signed, Russians.

Sauce: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8281990.stm

Seriously, as a Russian, aside from rebuilding the housing that was destroyed as a result of the war, which we spent $611 million on, helping out the wounded after the war, which we did, I don't particularly feel apologetic.

The conflict erupted on 7 August 2008, as Georgia shelled the breakaway region of South Ossetia, in an attempt to regain control over it. The previous months had seen a series of clashes. Russian forces quickly repelled the assault, and pushed further into Georgia. The conflict lasted for five days before a ceasefire was agreed. Russia pulled back, but built up its military presence in both South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

That's from BBC. They weren't exactly pro-Russian on the war. I can find other sources if you like.

Frisivisia wrote:Because who cares about the fact that the US had a very large part in the proceedings and its actions are what caused the peace deal to be reached or the fact that Putin is an oppressive, warmongering, corrupt, authoritarian, gay-hating bastard?

Warmongering? Seriously?

Greater Vayland wrote:My girlfriend, whose family hails from Grozny, would beg to disagree.

Which year did she leave Grozny?