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So People of NS, I have been thinking about this for quit some time now. Will Third Parties Emerge in the upcoming 2014 midterm elections? There is a ever growing trend among Americans Like myself who are sick of the GOP and the democrats. For both parties have lost their values and do nothing to fix this country and would rather Satisfy Big corporations and fill each others pockets with earmarks. You cant deny it both parties have been in power for too long and have done shit for our nation. So I believe that the Libertarian party, The Constitution party, The Socialist party, Hell even the Communist party will emerge because of our greed filled two party system. Do you guys think that this will happen? And do you think that the USA will change if third parties get elected?

No.

Mike the Progressive wrote:No.

So you think that we will just keep electing each side and continue to let them fuck things up?

They never will... In fact, it's safer to say that the US is more likely to become a de facto one party state than to have three or more parties being competitive.

And if Third Parties rise up, they'll end up being bought out by the same big corporations you talk about.

Way to go.

American Pride wrote:So People of NS, I have been thinking about this for quit some time now. Will Third Parties Emerge in the upcoming 2014 midterm elections? There is a ever growing trend among Americans Like myself who are sick of the GOP and the democrats. For both parties have lost their values and do nothing to fix this country and would rather Satisfy Big corporations and fill each others pockets with earmarks. You cant deny it both parties have been in power for too long and have done shit for our nation. So I believe that the Libertarian party, The Constitution party, The Socialist party, Hell even the Communist party will emerge because of our greed filled two party system. Do you guys think that this will happen? And do you think that the USA will change if third parties get elected?

Last I checked their were two independent Senators already in Congress. The midterm elections might see a third party candidate or two get elected, most likely a Libertarian, but nothing drastic. So no it won't change America.

American Pride wrote:

Mike the Progressive wrote:No.

So you think that we will just keep electing each side and continue to let them fuck things up?

Well that is democracy, so yes?

Blasveck wrote:And if Third Parties rise up, they'll end up being bought out by the same big corporations you talk about.

Way to go.

But In the 2012 election Obama and Romney spent 2 billion while Gary Johnson spent 66 million? I think that third parties have better values

American Pride wrote:

Blasveck wrote:And if Third Parties rise up, they'll end up being bought out by the same big corporations you talk about.

Way to go.

But In the 2012 election Obama and Romney spent 2 billion while Gary Johnson spent 66 million? I think that third parties have better values

And they'll eventually get bought out.

Might as well just become anarchists. (Joking)

The green party has goals to run many candidates for national office in 2014 in preparation to have Ralph Nader run for President in 2016.

Duverger's Law would say no.
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greed and death wrote:The green party has goals to run many candidates for national office in 2014 in preparation to have Ralph Nader run for President in 2016.

Do You support the Green party?

American Pride wrote:

Blasveck wrote:And if Third Parties rise up, they'll end up being bought out by the same big corporations you talk about.

Way to go.

But In the 2012 election Obama and Romney spent 2 billion while Gary Johnson spent 66 million? I think that third parties have better values

Please elaborate on which third parties have better values, and in what ways. Please be specific.

Caninope wrote:

American Pride wrote:

But In the 2012 election Obama and Romney spent 2 billion while Gary Johnson spent 66 million? I think that third parties have better values

Please elaborate on which third parties have better values, and in what ways. Please be specific.

Libertarian Party.

Freedom.

Mike the Progressive wrote:

Caninope wrote:Please elaborate on which third parties have better values, and in what ways. Please be specific.

Libertarian Party.

Freedom.

Is that sarcasm I'm detecting?

Caninope wrote:

American Pride wrote:

But In the 2012 election Obama and Romney spent 2 billion while Gary Johnson spent 66 million? I think that third parties have better values

Please elaborate on which third parties have better values, and in what ways. Please be specific.

The Libertarians have better values. For we are the true believers in limited Government Unlike the Phony GOP with their government Permitted Morality

American Pride wrote:

Caninope wrote:Please elaborate on which third parties have better values, and in what ways. Please be specific.

The Libertarians have better values. For we are the true believers in limited Government Unlike the Phony GOP with their government Permitted Morality

The Libertarian 'Party' does not. libertarians do.

Unless the GOP stops being a party, the Libertarians will never get their chance.

I see no reason to believe that we will have a Speaker of the House Gary Johnson in 2014. I don't see parties which account for almost all seats in Congress suddenly losing their power in a year.

American Pride wrote:

Caninope wrote:Please elaborate on which third parties have better values, and in what ways. Please be specific.

The Libertarians have better values. For we are the true believers in limited Government Unlike the Phony GOP with their government Permitted Morality

Making the assumption that this is the case, why is the limited government of your vision better than the limits of government of my vision?

To be a bit more specific, would you have supported TARP?

Blasveck wrote:

Mike the Progressive wrote:
Libertarian Party.

Freedom.

Is that sarcasm I'm detecting?

Very good.

Blasveck wrote:

American Pride wrote:
The Libertarians have better values. For we are the true believers in limited Government Unlike the Phony GOP with their government Permitted Morality

The Libertarian 'Party' does not. libertarians do.

Unless the GOP stops being a party, the Libertarians will never get their chance.

If the GOP keeps on doing what they're doing, that chance might be within the end of my life.

American Pride wrote:

So you think that we will just keep electing each side and continue to let them fuck things up?

The two parties are so entrenched in the American political system right now that they can't be dug out easily.

If most people are disillusioned with their party, they'll keep voting for it because "otherwise the other party will get in, and they're worse."

It happens in the UK, too. Generally, people trust the two (debatably three) main parties as far as they can throw them, but they'll still support one of them to keep the others out.

Caninope wrote:

American Pride wrote:
The Libertarians have better values. For we are the true believers in limited Government Unlike the Phony GOP with their government Permitted Morality

Making the assumption that this is the case, why is the limited government of your vision better than the limits of government of my vision?

To be a bit more specific, would you have supported TARP?

No, i would not have supported the Tarp Act for i dont not believe in Corporate Handouts and the Putting my tax dollars to bail out Business. Are visions of small government are different because your side of the party believes that their should be Morality police that should go around telling people what to do. You Side of the party Believes in the Patriot act and allows the government to invade my personal Life and In information and your side tends to favor Select Corporations and tends to bail them out on my dime. Its not my problem that they failed to make profit if my business fails i would love to see Bush JR or Obama Bail me out

American Pride wrote:

Caninope wrote:Making the assumption that this is the case, why is the limited government of your vision better than the limits of government of my vision?

To be a bit more specific, would you have supported TARP?

No, i would not have supported the Tarp Act for i dont not believe in Corporate Handouts and the Putting my tax dollars to bail out Business.

Stopping right here (I'll address the other, nonsensical parts at a later date, if I feel like it), why wouldn't you? Are you familiar with which businesses took TARP money? Are you familiar with the TARP program itself?

The Serbian Empire wrote:

Blasveck wrote:
The Libertarian 'Party' does not. libertarians do.

Unless the GOP stops being a party, the Libertarians will never get their chance.

If the GOP keeps on doing what they're doing, that chance might be within the end of my life.

I doubt that they will stay the same.

Just look at what happened to the Dems when they lost the Dixiecrats. They came backa few elections later.

It's no different for the GOP.

Is it?