by Scorpions on the moon » Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:41 pm
by Scott W Pilgrim » Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:55 pm
by Dread Lady Nathicana » Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:57 pm
by Scott W Pilgrim » Sat Jun 29, 2013 3:05 pm
Tsaraine wrote:After some discussion and being asked to review this by Nathi, I've made the decision to unlock it. Ladies and gentlemen, start your engines!
~ Tsar the Mod
by Scorpions on the moon » Sat Jun 29, 2013 3:06 pm
by Ostroeuropa » Sat Jun 29, 2013 3:08 pm
by Scorpions on the moon » Sat Jun 29, 2013 3:10 pm
Ostroeuropa wrote:Not only that, but the concept of affectless effects is a completely absurd suggestion.
What did god affect to create the effect of the universe?
by Ostroeuropa » Sat Jun 29, 2013 3:19 pm
Scorpions on the moon wrote:Ostroeuropa wrote:Not only that, but the concept of affectless effects is a completely absurd suggestion.
What did god affect to create the effect of the universe?
They invoke a really complex notion of simultaneous causation, but as I showed in the OP, it really just hurts the argument.
by The Whispers » Sat Jun 29, 2013 3:20 pm
Scorpions on the moon wrote:Anyone have any criticisms of my rebuttal?
Also, I thank the mods for reviewing the situation.
by Ostroeuropa » Sat Jun 29, 2013 3:21 pm
by Scorpions on the moon » Sat Jun 29, 2013 3:22 pm
by Scorpions on the moon » Sat Jun 29, 2013 3:23 pm
Ostroeuropa wrote:Scorpions on the moon wrote:
They invoke a really complex notion of simultaneous causation, but as I showed in the OP, it really just hurts the argument.
It seems like a good rebuttal.
It reminds me of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... D9MtIma5YU
Series of videos addressed to Dr. Craig
by Czechanada » Sat Jun 29, 2013 3:23 pm
by Scorpions on the moon » Sat Jun 29, 2013 3:24 pm
Czechanada wrote:There's no "before" the Big Bang as time didn't exist without space.
by Czechanada » Sat Jun 29, 2013 3:24 pm
by Scorpions on the moon » Sat Jun 29, 2013 3:27 pm
by The Whispers » Sat Jun 29, 2013 3:27 pm
by OMGeverynameistaken » Sat Jun 29, 2013 3:32 pm
by Scorpions on the moon » Sat Jun 29, 2013 3:54 pm
OMGeverynameistaken wrote:Scorpions on the moon wrote:
It began in the sense that no state of time is greater than or equal to thirteen billion years ago.
Unless the Big Bang was just part of an infinite cycle of creation and destruction punctuated by a series of Big Bangs.
Which would, in turn, imply that there was a first Big Bang. Which would in turn mean that there was something before said first Big Bang. Possibly puberty.
by Scorpions on the moon » Sat Jun 29, 2013 3:55 pm
Ostroeuropa wrote:The Whispers wrote:Yeah whatever it's a pretty boilerplate, obvious criticism of a theory a GCSE student should have no problem poking holes in.
The issue is more that we need to make the argument against it as simply worded and understandable as possible for precisely the reason you've alluded to.
by OMGeverynameistaken » Sat Jun 29, 2013 3:58 pm
Scorpions on the moon wrote:OMGeverynameistaken wrote:Unless the Big Bang was just part of an infinite cycle of creation and destruction punctuated by a series of Big Bangs.
Which would, in turn, imply that there was a first Big Bang. Which would in turn mean that there was something before said first Big Bang. Possibly puberty.
Are you talking about an oscillating model?
by Scorpions on the moon » Sat Jun 29, 2013 4:01 pm
by Utceforp » Sat Jun 29, 2013 10:22 pm
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