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Postby Mozria » Mon May 27, 2013 9:42 am

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If he did, though, he would've been a great pick. I'm looking forward to voting for him in 2016.

i hope you are a registered republican living in an early primary state then. he wont last long.


Does Texas count?

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Postby Big Jim P » Mon May 27, 2013 9:42 am

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Diopolis wrote:Texas will go red regardless of who is on the ticket, unless the republicans do something really stupid, like nominating a circus clown active in the anti-capitalist movement.

that is no longer a given. too many new Hispanic voting age Texans. if the dems can get their act together and get more Hispanics registered they have a fighting chance of having texas go for Hillary Clinton in '16.


Hillary Clinton, President? Now that is truly a scary thought.
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Postby Lerodan Chinamerica » Mon May 27, 2013 9:43 am

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The United Thingys wrote:
I hate, HATE it when people call Obama a socialist. Obama is a rightist. I am a socialist. Go look up socialist and go look up Obama. Don't talk when you don't understand what it is what you're talking about.

Sarah Palin... :rofl:

This whole thread is ridiculous.


He's about as far as you can go into the Authoritarian Left. He wants to strip firearms out of the hands of citizens as if they are criminals, he's nationalizing healthcare, bailing out huge corporations, constricting the PNG industry, has fostered the creation of a ridiculously over-bloated welfare system that has half of the nation on food stamps and dependent on the government for hand-outs... How much more socialist can you get?

"Socialism: a political and economic theory of that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated."

Obama's pretty left-wing by American standards, but by world standards he's centre-right.

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Postby Wikkiwallana » Mon May 27, 2013 9:43 am

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Wikkiwallana wrote:That would have been hilarious. The stampede to vote Dem would have been so satisfying.


Not necessarily. However, without the "gun control" debate dividing America into the libertarians and the authoritarians, he may not receive as much support from one-issue voters like myself.

He's spoken out against the CRA and the ADA, on the basis of "businesses are more important than rights". Remember how much that "47%" comment hurt Romney? This would be far worse. He belongs to a groups of AIDS denialists, so there goes anyone who cares about medicine, science, or just has a family member with AIDS. He's an avid Dominionist, so there go all the non-Christians, and many of the Christians who believe in Separation of Church and State. He defended the hell out of BP back during Deepwater Horizon, and I guarantee bringing that up will piss off large portions of the Gulf states, as well as anyone who gives half a damn about the environment. And finally, apart from the general wingnut positions, he also believes in incredibly crazy shit like the NAU.

The primaries would shred him.
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Postby The Tectonic Plates » Mon May 27, 2013 9:43 am

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Charisma can definitely save a terrible politician, cough Reagan cough.

Yeah I agree, spearheading the second-longest period of economic expansion in US history, reviving the space program, rolling back communism, ending the Cold War and being partially responsible for the downfall of the USSR sure are pathetic achievements. What a terrible President.


Too lazy to explain myself, here's an article.
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Postby Mozria » Mon May 27, 2013 9:43 am

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Charisma can definitely save a terrible politician, cough Reagan cough.

Yeah I agree, spearheading the second-longest period of economic expansion in US history, reviving the space program, rolling back communism, ending the Cold War and being partially responsible for the downfall of the USSR sure are pathetic achievements. What a terrible President.


You, sir, have officially derailed the Reagan haters.

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Postby Wikkiwallana » Mon May 27, 2013 9:43 am

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Surfistan wrote:Gotta admit, for having several children, she still is in shape and pretty hot, still wouldn't vote her though if I were American, cause;
1. I don't vote based on attrativeness or other "likeable" traits.
2. She bases her morals on religion and makes them part of her politics.
3. She's a social conservative.


I don't see what's wrong with the last two.

Anyways, Obama got in through charisma and deceit. Americans seemed pretty fooled by that first "likable" trait.

Pray tell, what deceit?
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Postby Ashmoria » Mon May 27, 2013 9:44 am

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Ashmoria wrote:i hope you are a registered republican living in an early primary state then. he wont last long.


Does Texas count?


nope. by that time you will be wanting to make sure that <some guy you hate> doesn't get the nomination so youll vote for the next best candidate (in your mind)
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Postby Lerodan Chinamerica » Mon May 27, 2013 9:44 am

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Ashmoria wrote:that is no longer a given. too many new Hispanic voting age Texans. if the dems can get their act together and get more Hispanics registered they have a fighting chance of having texas go for Hillary Clinton in '16.


Hillary Clinton, President? Now that is truly a scary thought.

Electing Hillary Clinton would be akin to electing a robotic version of General Custer.

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Postby Surfistan » Mon May 27, 2013 9:44 am

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Surfistan wrote:Gotta admit, for having several children, she still is in shape and pretty hot, still wouldn't vote her though if I were American, cause;
1. I don't vote based on attrativeness or other "likeable" traits.
2. She bases her morals on religion and makes them part of her politics.
3. She's a social conservative.


I don't see what's wrong with the last two.

Anyways, Obama got in through charisma and deceit. Americans seemed pretty fooled by that first "likable" trait.


Seperation, church state. You know, the US practically invented that, that's why I have an issue with politicians basing their morals on religion, come up with something better.
Social conservatism is the scourge of humanity, we ought to get rid of it, some people like living in the 16th century, most don't.

Obama won the first election quite fairly, charismatically yes, the reelection was for many Americans choosing between cyanide and mouldy cheese. Better mouldy cheese then.
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Postby Leftist City » Mon May 27, 2013 9:45 am

New haven america wrote:Sarah Palin...as President... :lol: :lol: :rofl: :rofl: :lol2:
(Republics make horrible leaders, starting with Nixon)


See, while I tend to lean towards Democrats, I wouldn't go as far as to say all Republicans make horrible leaders. Mainly because of Eisenhower. IMO, one of the absolute best presidents in the modern era.....and he was a Republican. Granted, he was more towards then center than modern Republicans.

Also, Palin as President :shock: no....just no

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Postby The Tectonic Plates » Mon May 27, 2013 9:45 am

Big Jim P wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:that is no longer a given. too many new Hispanic voting age Texans. if the dems can get their act together and get more Hispanics registered they have a fighting chance of having texas go for Hillary Clinton in '16.


Hillary Clinton, President? Now that is truly a scary thought.


There is a definite chance that she'll be the next president.
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Postby Lerodan Chinamerica » Mon May 27, 2013 9:45 am

Mozria wrote:
Lerodan Chinamerica wrote:Yeah I agree, spearheading the second-longest period of economic expansion in US history, reviving the space program, rolling back communism, ending the Cold War and being partially responsible for the downfall of the USSR sure are pathetic achievements. What a terrible President.


You, sir, have officially derailed the Reagan haters.

I wish. They always pull that silly, easily-debunked cartoon out of their asses and say 'TEH ULTIMATE PROOFS DAT RAYGUN SUKS'. :roll:

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Postby Ashmoria » Mon May 27, 2013 9:46 am

Big Jim P wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:that is no longer a given. too many new Hispanic voting age Texans. if the dems can get their act together and get more Hispanics registered they have a fighting chance of having texas go for Hillary Clinton in '16.


Hillary Clinton, President? Now that is truly a scary thought.

her support is stronger than it was back in 07 when she was considered to be the inevitable nominee.
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Postby Diopolis » Mon May 27, 2013 9:47 am

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Diopolis wrote:Texas will go red regardless of who is on the ticket, unless the republicans do something really stupid, like nominating a circus clown active in the anti-capitalist movement.

that is no longer a given. too many new Hispanic voting age Texans. if the dems can get their act together and get more Hispanics registered they have a fighting chance of having texas go for Hillary Clinton in '16.

Yes it is. A large portion of Texas hispanics are White hispanics, which are more likely to vote republican. Besides, the majority of texas voters are still white.
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Postby Lerodan Chinamerica » Mon May 27, 2013 9:48 am

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Hillary Clinton, President? Now that is truly a scary thought.

her support is stronger than it was back in 07 when she was considered to be the inevitable nominee.

Despite her total lack of nonexistent charisma and incompetence.
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Postby Mozria » Mon May 27, 2013 9:49 am

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Ashmoria wrote:that is no longer a given. too many new Hispanic voting age Texans. if the dems can get their act together and get more Hispanics registered they have a fighting chance of having texas go for Hillary Clinton in '16.

Yes it is. A large portion of Texas hispanics are White hispanics, which are more likely to vote republican. Besides, the majority of texas voters are still white.


Oh, liberal racism; how familiar I am with thee...

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Postby Ashmoria » Mon May 27, 2013 9:52 am

Lerodan Chinamerica wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Hillary Clinton, President? Now that is truly a scary thought.

Electing Hillary Clinton would be akin to electing a robotic version of General Custer.

....

because they both have long blonde hair?
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Postby The Tectonic Plates » Mon May 27, 2013 9:54 am

Lerodan Chinamerica wrote:
Mozria wrote:
You, sir, have officially derailed the Reagan haters.

I wish. They always pull that silly, easily-debunked cartoon out of their asses and say 'TEH ULTIMATE PROOFS DAT RAYGUN SUKS'. :roll:


I'll actually address your points.

1) Economic Expansion

He also tripled the national debt, while providing tax cuts to the rich and tax increases to the middle class, That "economic expansion" laid the groundwork for our current crisis.

2) Space Program

Okay, he did that, I'll admit that.

3, 4 & 5) Soviet Union Falling

The Soviet Union fell because of huge debt that attained by trying to compete with America and by the reforms of Gorbachev. Reagan did very little.

He did some good, so did every other president. He did tons of bad things, such as the National Debt, Tax Cuts, Iran and the funding of terrorists.
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Postby Lerodan Chinamerica » Mon May 27, 2013 9:54 am

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Lerodan Chinamerica wrote:Electing Hillary Clinton would be akin to electing a robotic version of General Custer.

....

because they both have long blonde hair?

Because the incompetence of both has led to unneeded American casualties.

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Postby Ashmoria » Mon May 27, 2013 9:56 am

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Ashmoria wrote:that is no longer a given. too many new Hispanic voting age Texans. if the dems can get their act together and get more Hispanics registered they have a fighting chance of having texas go for Hillary Clinton in '16.

Yes it is. A large portion of Texas hispanics are White hispanics, which are more likely to vote republican. Besides, the majority of texas voters are still white.

yes but not all white voters are interested in voting republican. that's how democrats win. they make a coalition of rational white people (a minority of whites) plus a vast majority of non-whites. it adds up to a majority if they get it together enough to register their voters in time.
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Postby Ashmoria » Mon May 27, 2013 9:58 am

Lerodan Chinamerica wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:....

because they both have long blonde hair?

Because the incompetence of both has led to unneeded American casualties.


*rolling eyes*
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Postby Mozria » Mon May 27, 2013 9:59 am

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Diopolis wrote:Yes it is. A large portion of Texas hispanics are White hispanics, which are more likely to vote republican. Besides, the majority of texas voters are still white.

yes but not all white voters are interested in voting republican. that's how democrats win. they make a coalition of rational white people (a minority of whites) plus a vast majority of non-whites. it adds up to a majority if they get it together enough to register their voters in time.


Race-based stereotyping, especially in relation to voter stereotyping, disgusts me.

Anyway, what's with the hate towards whites and conservatives going on here?

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Postby The Spiral Future » Mon May 27, 2013 10:00 am

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Ashmoria wrote:yes but not all white voters are interested in voting republican. that's how democrats win. they make a coalition of rational white people (a minority of whites) plus a vast majority of non-whites. it adds up to a majority if they get it together enough to register their voters in time.


Race-based stereotyping, especially in relation to voter stereotyping, disgusts me.

Anyway, what's with the hate towards whites and conservatives going on here?


Hate towards Conservatives can be explained by the site you are on......whites I'm not too sure.
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Postby Ashmoria » Mon May 27, 2013 10:00 am

Mozria wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:yes but not all white voters are interested in voting republican. that's how democrats win. they make a coalition of rational white people (a minority of whites) plus a vast majority of non-whites. it adds up to a majority if they get it together enough to register their voters in time.


Race-based stereotyping, especially in relation to voter stereotyping, disgusts me.

Anyway, what's with the hate towards whites and conservatives going on here?


maybe conservatives would do better with the non-white vote if they weren't disgusted by reality.
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