The Economist Says Affirmative Action Is Bad Unsurprise

[Mistelemr]

You know, I will say that AA is reverse discrimination, but I'll also say it's necessary

For centuries us white, heterosexual males have been abusing, oppressing and discriminating against other races, sexes, orientations and ethnicities. If you don't think 400 years of slavery might give someone an "unfair" head-start, then you are denying the facts simply because they don't fit into your limited world-view. For some reason you think that you shouldn't be punished or hurt at all, even though you have benefited DIRECTLY from that oppression and discrimination. For those good 400 years the whites have gotten a surplus of resources far beyond their productive capabilities, and beyond that, not having to compete with a large percentage of the population set the stage for 90% of all CEO's being White, Heterosexual, Christian, Males.

I haven't found a single non-WASP arguing against AA. Nor have I found any good arguments against AA. Stop deciding that because it makes your life 0.000000000001% harder it's WRONG, when we have undoubtedly made their lives at LEAST 400% harder.

[The Broken Imperial Sector]

Because people refuse to acknowledge that whites can be discriminated against.

Bullshit.

Oh so now whites can't be discriminated against?

[Wamitoria]

Bullshit.

Oh so now whites can't be discriminated against?

No.

Mav's saying that people acknowledge that white people can be discriminated against.

[Parhe]

How about we stop using racing and rather use social class or income groups and poverty levels or such? That way the people who need it most I would think gets a leg up regardless of race or ethnicity.

I definitely think that Affirmative Action should factor in social class. Especially in college/university admissions.

But that doesn't mean we can pretend that race-based inequality doesn't exist.

True but it seems if it is just race based it leaves many people behind such as low income Caucasians. Or Europeans. I am not sure if the nation really makes a difference between Europeans and other caucasians from Middle Eastern/North African descent.

Though, just wondering, how would Affirmative Action even help a minority individual such as myself in practice?

[Mavorpen]

Bullshit.

Oh so now whites can't be discriminated against?

Like I said before: are you intentionally refusing to read our posts?

[Zweite Alaje]

Affrimative Action is bad from a purely economic viewpoint, so is minimum wage.

Elaborate.

Affirmative action is a crutch for minorities, any idiot that knows about business knows racism isn't good for business. If a minority is better than a white at something it only makes sense to hire him over the white, and vise versa.

As for minimum wage it is an artificial labor price, it's no better than fixing the price on anything else in the market.

[Ayreonia]

What's the point, then?

A black person doing the same thing I do (as a white person) is significantly less likely to receive the same rewards.

That's the point of Affirmative Action.

I don't know. That's very dependent on where you are.

Anyway, race should never be a reason for choosing one applicant over another, even if their qualifications are equally good. Flip a coin or something, don't just shrug it off with "this person is black and the other one is white, we should probably hire him because, you know, equality."

[The Broken Imperial Sector]

You know, I will say that AA is reverse discrimination, but I'll also say it's necessary

For centuries us white, heterosexual males have been abusing, oppressing and discriminating against other races, sexes, orientations and ethnicities. If you don't think 400 years of slavery might give someone an "unfair" head-start, then you are denying the facts simply because they don't fit into your limited world-view. For some reason you think that you shouldn't be punished or hurt at all, even though you have benefited DIRECTLY from that oppression and discrimination. For those good 400 years the whites have gotten a surplus of resources far beyond their productive capabilities, and beyond that, not having to compete with a large percentage of the population set the stage for 90% of all CEO's being White, Heterosexual, Christian, Males.

I haven't found a single non-WASP arguing against AA. Nor have I found any good arguments against AA. Stop deciding that because it makes your life 0.000000000001% harder it's WRONG, when we have undoubtedly made their lives at LEAST 400% harder.

So we should guilt trip ourselves into giving up our "white male privileges".

[Wamitoria]

A black person doing the same thing I do (as a white person) is significantly less likely to receive the same rewards.

That's the point of Affirmative Action.

I don't know. That's very dependent on where you are.

Midwestern US.

[The Broken Imperial Sector]

Oh so now whites can't be discriminated against?

Like I said before: are you intentionally refusing to read our posts?

No I've been reading the post.

[Ifreann]

No they wouldn't. The explanation would be that non-Whites are simply getting revenge for the Whites' history of imperialism. Give one single example of a White person being chosen over a non-White exclusively because of affirmative action?

Oh don't give me that whole what comes around goes around bullshit!

He's not. He's making up bullshit, and pretending that in an imaginary future where white people are a minority, everyone is going to discriminate against us and call it comeuppance. It's just a ludicrous fantasy in the service of a persecution complex.

[Mavorpen]

A black person doing the same thing I do (as a white person) is significantly less likely to receive the same rewards.

That's the point of Affirmative Action.

I don't know. That's very dependent on where you are.

According to...?

[The Broken Imperial Sector]

Oh so now whites can't be discriminated against?

No.

Mav's saying that people acknowledge that white people can be discriminated against.

Oh okay my bad.

[Mavorpen]

Like I said before: are you intentionally refusing to read our posts?

No I've been reading the post.

Stop lying. You got the complete OPPOSITE out of what was written in that post.

[Parhe]

You know, I will say that AA is reverse discrimination, but I'll also say it's necessary

For centuries us white, heterosexual males have been abusing, oppressing and discriminating against other races, sexes, orientations and ethnicities. If you don't think 400 years of slavery might give someone an "unfair" head-start, then you are denying the facts simply because they don't fit into your limited world-view. For some reason you think that you shouldn't be punished or hurt at all, even though you have benefited DIRECTLY from that oppression and discrimination. For those good 400 years the whites have gotten a surplus of resources far beyond their productive capabilities, and beyond that, not having to compete with a large percentage of the population set the stage for 90% of all CEO's being White, Heterosexual, Christian, Males.

I haven't found a single non-WASP arguing against AA. Nor have I found any good arguments against AA. Stop deciding that because it makes your life 0.000000000001% harder it's WRONG, when we have undoubtedly made their lives at LEAST 400% harder.

As a homosexual, Ignostic Asian America, both of whose parent's have had not finished even high school, I don't agree with Afirmitive Action as it.

[The American Commune]

YES actually forcing a company to have a certain amount of minoritys in it is wrong I bet if I wasn't given the job at a company run by a black or I got fired for no reason and i tried to sue for wrongful termination I would be called a racist.

Are you even TRYING to fucking read the posts being typed? Quotes are ILLEGAL. You are literally tilting at windmills.

He he, literally

[Mavorpen]

Are you even TRYING to fucking read the posts being typed? Quotes are ILLEGAL. You are literally tilting at windmills.

He he, literally

Hey, his reasoning doesn't belong in the 21st century. I can imagine that he's a jouster.

[Ifreann]

...As for minimum wage...

Why, in the many names of all the gods, are you talking about minimum wage?

[The Broken Imperial Sector]

He he, literally

Hey, his reasoning doesn't belong in the 21st century. I can imagine that he's a jouster.

I know I wish I lived in the 1950s or something that would be awesome!

[Mavorpen]

Hey, his reasoning doesn't belong in the 21st century. I can imagine that he's a jouster.

I know I wish I lived in the 1950s or something that would be awesome!

Yay. More of this, "take out country back!" nonsense which is basically the equivalent of, "how damn them dirty niggers have rights!"

[Owl Cities]

Hey, his reasoning doesn't belong in the 21st century. I can imagine that he's a jouster.

I know I wish I lived in the 1950s or something that would be awesome!

The perfect conservative dreamland 1950s or the one that actually existed?

[Hathradic States]

The way to stop discriminating based on race is to stop discriminating based on race

Chief Justice Roberts

Sums up my view.

^pretty much this

[Ifreann]

Hey, his reasoning doesn't belong in the 21st century. I can imagine that he's a jouster.

I know I wish I lived in the 1950s or something that would be awesome!

Unless you had the misfortune to be black, a woman, gay, foreign, a communist, or worst of all, some combination of all the above.

[Farnhamia]

Hey, his reasoning doesn't belong in the 21st century. I can imagine that he's a jouster.

I know I wish I lived in the 1950s or something that would be awesome!

No computers, no cable or satellite TV, no cell phones. Yeah, sure you do.

[The Broken Imperial Sector]

I know I wish I lived in the 1950s or something that would be awesome!

Yay. More of this, "take out country back!" nonsense which is basically the equivalent of, "how damn them dirty niggers have rights!"

Ya lets take our country back! And i'm not against blacks having rights..