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Postby Gallup » Sat May 11, 2013 4:46 pm

I agree with them.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat May 11, 2013 4:46 pm

Gallup wrote:I agree with them.

Bully for you.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sat May 11, 2013 4:48 pm

Saiwania wrote:With regards to the employers choosing White sounding names over Black sounding names bit, here are the top 20 "Black" names for male and female and the top 20 "White" names for male and female:

Black female: Imani, Ebony, Shanice, Aaliyah, Precious, Nia, Deja, Diamond, Asia, Aliyah, Jada, Tierra, Tiara, Kiara, Jazmine, Jasmin, Jazmin, Jasmine, Alexus, Raven.

Black male: DeShawn, DeAndre, Marquis, Darnell, Terrell, Malik, Trevon, Tyrone, Willie, Dominique, Demetrius, Reginald, Jamal, Maurice, Jalen, Darius, Xavier, Terrance, Andre, Darryl.

White female: Molly, Amy, Claire, Emily, Katie, Madeline, Katelyn, Emma, Abigail, Carly, Jenna, Heather, Katherine, Caitlin, Kaitlin, Holly, Allison, Kaitlyn, Hannah, Kathryn.

White male: Jake, Connor, Tanner, Wyatt, Cody, Dustin, Luke, Jack, Scott, Logan, Cole, Lucas, Bradley, Jacob, Garrett, Dylan, Maxwell, Hunter, Brett, Colin.

What do the Black sounding names have in common? Well, they are not proper English names. It appears to me that some employers aren't hiring Black people not because they're Black, but because the names objectively speaking do not sound sophisticated or professional.

Of course you aren't going to be hired with a name like "precious" or "moonbeam." If my parents named me something ridiculous, I would have it legally changed if I thought that my first name hinders more than helps me.


The ignorance!!!!!!! IT BURNS!!!!!

You now there isn't a rule how names go right?

So where exactly is your source for this?

Should I hold my breath?
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Postby New Britannia of America » Sat May 11, 2013 4:53 pm

I know I'm probably too late, but: inb4 everyone blames social-conservatives for being racist hillbillies. I'm socially conservative and believe strongly in Affirmative Action; it's the social progressivists that supported slavery, after all, and then the greedy that used religion as a tool than a means of living a style like the Puritans of the old.
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Postby Frisivisia » Sat May 11, 2013 4:56 pm

New Britannia of America wrote:I know I'm probably too late, but: inb4 everyone blames social-conservatives for being racist hillbillies. I'm socially conservative and believe strongly in Affirmative Action; it's the social progressivists that supported slavery, after all, and then the greedy that used religion as a tool than a means of living a style like the Puritans of the old.

Today's progressives are not the progressives of the 17th and 18th centuries. And, after that, those who were for abolition would have been defined as progressives.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sat May 11, 2013 4:57 pm

New Britannia of America wrote:I know I'm probably too late, but: inb4 everyone blames social-conservatives for being racist hillbillies. I'm socially conservative and believe strongly in Affirmative Action; it's the social progressivists conservatives that supported slavery, after all, and then the greedy that used religion as a tool than a means of living a style like the Puritans of the old.


You had a typo.

Social progressives wanted the abolition of slavery.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat May 11, 2013 5:02 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
New Britannia of America wrote:I know I'm probably too late, but: inb4 everyone blames social-conservatives for being racist hillbillies. I'm socially conservative and believe strongly in Affirmative Action; it's the social progressivists that supported slavery, after all, and then the greedy that used religion as a tool than a means of living a style like the Puritans of the old.

Today's progressives are not the progressives of the 17th and 18th centuries. And, after that, those who were for abolition would have been defined as progressives.

Most progressives from the 17th and 18th centuries are dead. Most.
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Postby Frisivisia » Sat May 11, 2013 5:02 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:Today's progressives are not the progressives of the 17th and 18th centuries. And, after that, those who were for abolition would have been defined as progressives.

Most progressives from the 17th and 18th centuries are dead. Most.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Sat May 11, 2013 5:04 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Most progressives from the 17th and 18th centuries are dead. Most.

John Locke was on Lost.


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* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby Golambia » Sat May 11, 2013 5:31 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Saiwania wrote:With regards to the employers choosing White sounding names over Black sounding names bit, here are the top 20 "Black" names for male and female and the top 20 "White" names for male and female:

Black female: Imani, Ebony, Shanice, Aaliyah, Precious, Nia, Deja, Diamond, Asia, Aliyah, Jada, Tierra, Tiara, Kiara, Jazmine, Jasmin, Jazmin, Jasmine, Alexus, Raven.

Black male: DeShawn, DeAndre, Marquis, Darnell, Terrell, Malik, Trevon, Tyrone, Willie, Dominique, Demetrius, Reginald, Jamal, Maurice, Jalen, Darius, Xavier, Terrance, Andre, Darryl.

White female: Molly, Amy, Claire, Emily, Katie, Madeline, Katelyn, Emma, Abigail, Carly, Jenna, Heather, Katherine, Caitlin, Kaitlin, Holly, Allison, Kaitlyn, Hannah, Kathryn.

White male: Jake, Connor, Tanner, Wyatt, Cody, Dustin, Luke, Jack, Scott, Logan, Cole, Lucas, Bradley, Jacob, Garrett, Dylan, Maxwell, Hunter, Brett, Colin.

What do the Black sounding names have in common? Well, they are not proper English names. It appears to me that some employers aren't hiring Black people not because they're Black, but because the names objectively speaking do not sound sophisticated or professional.

Of course you aren't going to be hired with a name like "precious" or "moonbeam." If my parents named me something ridiculous, I would have it legally changed if I thought that my first name hinders more than helps me.


The ignorance!!!!!!! IT BURNS!!!!!

You now there isn't a rule how names go right?

So where exactly is your source for this?

Should I hold my breath?


I remember reading that in Freakonomics. Apparently, the author went through all of California's baby names and found the most common ones.

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