Who was the worst British Prime Minister?

[The New United Socialist Republic]

worst....thatcher
best....attlee

[Karmon]

All the progressist ones.

The best was Thatcher.

[The Archregimancy]

Clement Attlee. Using the government to illegally take control of private companies, creating the National Health Service, using funds for stupid shit like social security.. Just like FDR in the US, Attlee is the reason why a left-wing entitlement culture exists in the UK.

Yeah as usual you show your ignorance.

The first ideas of creating a national health service was from Ernest Brown (a Liberal...but on the right...a stead fast supporter of John Simon who was effectively a Conservative). The first paper to seriously put forward the idea of a NHS was by Sir Henry Urmston Willink. A Conservative.

Sources for the illegal taking control of companies and the using of "funds for stupid shit like social security" please.

Social Security?

Would that be similar to the social security introduced in the "People's Budget" of 1909, so that for decades afterwards accepting state support was known as "going on the Lloyd George"?

That Clement Attlee was amazing, I tell you - it seems he managed to introduce social security 13 years before he was even elected to Parliament, and have it introduced by another party entirely.....

[Forsakia]

This might be controversial, but Brown was really a victim of circumstance. Remember that he was praised as the 'iron chancellor' just a few years ago, and his economic policy at the time was regarded as rather good. The problem is that the conservatives and the press have managed to pin the deficit problem on him; which, as an economist, I know is simply false. Sure, there had been a fairly large expansion under Labour, but the bulk of the deficit/debt was in fact the result of the enormous bank bailout. It was either that, or catastrophe.

Cameron is the polar opposite; his government's economic policy is sheer insanity, and austerity has lost virtually all its former supporters. Nevertheless, they have managed to maintain the impression that it's all necessary, and there is no alternative. Spin is everything.

At the time it was praised, that praise was in actuality wrong (mumbles on about his Keynesian opinions for a bit). With Brown (and Lloyd George) you have some questions raised about are you judging them solely as prime minister, or on their previous work as well. Particularly tricky in the case of Brown because obviously the economic situation when he became PM was one he'd been dealing with as chancellor directly.

When it comes to people praising Attlee, I do wonder if they realise the full extent of his nationalisation program. He, well, really went for it more than is often remembered.

Major doesn't get enough credit for his work with Northern Ireland.

[Fennijer]

Lady Thatcher.... asides from sounding like a women's grooming device, she stole my milk.

[The Whispers]

"Most corrupt UK government ever", eh?

Not really sure about that.

Cash for questions, Ministers being bribed (not just with money), as well as a string of other sleaze scandals.

Sleaze is one thing, but I think that whole Cash for Questions affair probably went way back further (if it has, in fact, died off), and there was nothing on the scale of Augusta-Westland, or the whole Wetherspoons thing, not to mention how the setting-up of Housing Benefit and the sell-off of council housing benefitted a very select group of landlords. And that was just Thatcher, you could make a very good case for many, many governments before that being corrupt (although when you go back to the time when the MPs were all landowners, what constitutes corruption is maybe a good question).

[The Archregimancy]

Not to sound like trolling, but what were the prime ministers of Britian?

I take it you're incapable of using either Google or Wikipedia?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Pr ... ed_Kingdom

[Opikistan]

Margerate Thatcher.

[Bears Armed Mission]

"Most corrupt UK government ever", eh?

Not really sure about that.

Cash for questions, Ministers being bribed (not just with money), as well as a string of other sleaze scandals.

The "cash for questions" matter rests solely on allegations made by Mohammed Fayed and some of his employees, who were not placed under oath, and as Fayed had reasons for being against that government anyway (because of his application for British citizenshp being refused, IIRC) and there's evidence from after Diana's death of him tring to pressure staff into making incorrect claims in official hearings those allegations aren't exactly 100% convincing.
And any allegations of corruption that might be made against 20th/2st century British governments surely pale into insignificance before the proven levels of corruption during much of the 18th century, anyway...

Lady Thatcher.... asides from sounding like a women's grooming device, she stole my milk.

And why did you deserve to have milk bought for you by the taxpayers?

[Erstaunlich]

Not to sound like trolling, but what were the prime ministers of Britian?

I take it you're incapable of using either Google or Wikipedia?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Pr ... ed_Kingdom

Yes, my google isn't working, which in turn, doesn't allow me to access Wikipedia. Man, I should favorite that.

[Augarundus]

Disraeli.

[Old Tyrannia]

Tony Blair.

[Erstaunlich]

Chamberlain.

I can't disagree with Churchill.

[Heavenly Peace]

Tony Blair.

About time someone mentioned him. I didn't think it would take three pages.

[The Whispers]

Lady Thatcher.... asides from sounding like a women's grooming device, she stole my milk.

Some of it. The rest was snatched by the austerity budget in 1967.

[Forsakia]

Cash for questions, Ministers being bribed (not just with money), as well as a string of other sleaze scandals.

Sleaze is one thing, but I think that whole Cash for Questions affair probably went way back further (if it has, in fact, died off), and there was nothing on the scale of Augusta-Westland, or the whole Wetherspoons thing, not to mention how the setting-up of Housing Benefit and the sell-off of council housing benefitted a very select group of landlords. And that was just Thatcher, you could make a very good case for many, many governments before that being corrupt (although when you go back to the time when the MPs were all landowners, what constitutes corruption is maybe a good question).

If you go way back to the 20s, the Victor Grayson disappearance sticks out.

[Orsonia]

Margaret Thatcher and Tony Blair. Each of them extended their influence to the rest of Europe when it was not needed.

[Old Tyrannia]

Margaret Thatcher and John Blair. Each of them extended their influence to the rest of Europe when it was not needed.

John... Blair?

[Progressive-Conservative Republics]

inb4 American leftists name every conservative-leaning Prime Minister.

[Gigaverse]

Thatcher. Oh God, Thatcher. Literally the only thing her government had done correctly was the liberation of the Falkland Islands from the Argentine invasion. Her domestic policies were a tragedy.

[Erstaunlich]

inb4 American leftists name every conservative-leaning Prime Minister.

What does that mean?

[Eylandia]

Cash for questions, Ministers being bribed (not just with money), as well as a string of other sleaze scandals.

Sleaze is one thing, but I think that whole Cash for Questions affair probably went way back further (if it has, in fact, died off), and there was nothing on the scale of Augusta-Westland, or the whole Wetherspoons thing, not to mention how the setting-up of Housing Benefit and the sell-off of council housing benefitted a very select group of landlords. And that was just Thatcher, you could make a very good case for many, many governments before that being corrupt (although when you go back to the time when the MPs were all landowners, what constitutes corruption is maybe a good question).

Its just my opinion of modern governments of which I have a relative amount of knowledge. I know we've had some other very corrupt and decidely dodgy governments, but to me I think Major's government was particularly bad at it.

Cash for questions, Ministers being bribed (not just with money), as well as a string of other sleaze scandals.

The "cash for questions" matter rests solely on allegations made by Mohammed Fayed and some of his employees, who were not placed under oath, and as Fayed had reasons for being against that government anyway (because of his application for British citizenshp being refused, IIRC) and there's evidence from after Diana's death of him tring to pressure staff into making incorrect claims in official hearings those allegations aren't exactly 100% convincing.
And any allegations of corruption that might be made against 20th/2st century British governments surely pale into insignificance before the proven levels of corruption during much of the 18th century, anyway...

Lady Thatcher.... asides from sounding like a women's grooming device, she stole my milk.

And why did you deserve to have milk bought for you by the taxpayers?

Cash for Questions did happen, a newspaper sting was another way in which it was proved that that was occurring. I don't particularly buy Fayed's accusations, but there was a stack of other evidence which came out which is undeniable.

As I say above, my comments were based on my own knowledge of modern governments. I know there was corruption past, and I'm sure there was much in the C18th, but I have little knowledge of that to pass comment or opinion on it, so I passed comment on what I knew.

As for the milk, its the responsibility of the state to ensure that its population is healthy, especially its children. Milk is a nutritious beverage which has been proved to significantly improve children health. It is therefore a responsibility governments duty to feed its children milk where possible.

[Free Tristania]

Thatcher. Oh God, Thatcher. Literally the only thing her government had done correctly was the liberation of the Falkland Islands from the Argentine invasion. Her domestic policies were a tragedy.

Exactly.

[Erstaunlich]

Thatcher. Oh God, Thatcher. Literally the only thing her government had done correctly was the liberation of the Falkland Islands from the Argentine invasion. Her domestic policies were a tragedy.

Exactly.

Even though I am a german with no knowledge of British politics, I have to agree with you.

[Gigaverse]

John Blair

Hmm?