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Who is harmed by same-sex marriage?

Postby I Want to Smash Them All » Sat Mar 23, 2013 11:51 pm

I know the topic of whether same-sex marriage is a right (particularly in the U.S.) is frequently debated in these forums (as is the topic in general), but I have a specific set of questions:

1. Does anyone on these forums actually claim they personally would suffer some harm if same-sex marriage was allowed and recognized on the same terms as opposite-sex marriage? If you claim you would be harmed, please be specific as to how.

2. We know that same-sex couples, homosexual individuals, children of same-sex couples, children of homosexuals, and homosexual children are directly harmed in multiple ways by the failure of government to allow and recognize same-sex marriage, but can anyone identify any individual or group that would be directly harmed if government allowed and recognized same-sex marriage? If you assert any individual or group would be directly harmed, please be specific as to who and how.

These questions are independent of whether same-sex couples or homosexuals have a right to marriage.

By the way, although I am focused on same-sex marriage in the U.S., other perspectives are most welcome.
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Postby Svizzra (Ancient) » Sat Mar 23, 2013 11:54 pm

NOBODY

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Postby Zweite Alaje » Sat Mar 23, 2013 11:55 pm

You're seriously asking that....here? Prepare for shitstorm, I'm out.
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Postby Maurepas » Sat Mar 23, 2013 11:56 pm

It hurts the fragile egos and sensibilities of the willfully ignorant and the homophobic.
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Postby Sisalarvia » Sat Mar 23, 2013 11:56 pm

Svizzra wrote:NOBODY

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I agree. I cannot understand why some people don't.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat Mar 23, 2013 11:57 pm

I Want to Smash Them All wrote:I know the topic of whether same-sex marriage is a right (particularly in the U.S.) is frequently debated in these forums (as is the topic in general), but I have a specific set of questions:

1. Does anyone on these forums actually claim they personally would suffer some harm if same-sex marriage was allowed and recognized on the same terms as opposite-sex marriage? If you claim you would be harmed, please be specific as to how.


I don't claim it because I know same-sex marriage hurts no one. But I've seen the argument made in this forum many times.

2. We know that same-sex couples, homosexual individuals, children of same-sex couples, children of homosexuals, and homosexual children are directly harmed in multiple ways by the failure of government to allow and recognize same-sex marriage, but can anyone identify any individual or group that would be directly harmed if government allowed and recognized same-sex marriage?


Again, other than some churches getting their hackles raised unnecessarily, no. I don't see how same-sex marriage would harm any institution, individual or group. Usually does who want to get offended will get offended no matter what and because they want to.
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Postby Gadgetron Corporation » Sat Mar 23, 2013 11:57 pm

Doesn't hurt anybody except those idiots who are opposed to same-sex marriage.

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Postby Haydenish People » Sat Mar 23, 2013 11:58 pm

Sisalarvia wrote:
Svizzra wrote:NOBODY

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I agree. I cannot understand why some people don't.


Ditto. Intolerance achieves nothing.
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Postby Condunum » Sat Mar 23, 2013 11:58 pm

I would say that some gay people would get harmed, because divorce.
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Postby Disserbia » Sat Mar 23, 2013 11:59 pm

Oh yay another of these fucking threads.
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Postby Daynor » Sat Mar 23, 2013 11:59 pm

I Want to Smash Them All wrote:Does anyone on these forums actually claim they personally would suffer some harm if same-sex marriage was allowed and recognized on the same terms as opposite-sex marriage? If you claim you would be harmed, please be specific as to how.
Yes, yes they do. But what a few people say is irrelevant. We are nearing marriage equality in America.
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Postby Haydenish People » Sat Mar 23, 2013 11:59 pm

Condunum wrote:I would say that some gay people would get harmed, because divorce.


Yes, but there's risk for divorce in any marriage. What's your point?
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Postby I Want to Smash Them All » Sat Mar 23, 2013 11:59 pm

Zweite Alaje wrote:You're seriously asking that....here? Prepare for shitstorm, I'm out.

Yes, I am seriously asking that here. I am looking forward to a feeble attempt at a "shitstorm." Because no matter how much they rant, no one will be able to actually show same-sex marriage would harm anyone.
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Postby Norstal » Sun Mar 24, 2013 12:00 am

Beat that dead horse.

Beat it until it's nothing.
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Postby Dragoria » Sun Mar 24, 2013 12:01 am

The bigots would be harmed in no longer having marriage to wave around at gays going "NEENER NEENER YOU CAN'T HAVE ANY!"
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Postby Maurepas » Sun Mar 24, 2013 12:01 am

Norstal wrote:Beat that dead horse.

Beat it until it's nothing.

I refuse to stop beating until the glue dries, :p

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Postby Page » Sun Mar 24, 2013 12:01 am

Religious fundies are distressed and bigots are made to feel insecure because their privileges aren't as exclusive as they were before.

In other words, same-sex marriage inflicts well deserved harm on bad people and that is why I favor it. :)
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Postby Norstal » Sun Mar 24, 2013 12:02 am

I Want to Smash Them All wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:You're seriously asking that....here? Prepare for shitstorm, I'm out.

Yes, I am seriously asking that here. I am looking forward to a feeble attempt at a "shitstorm." Because no matter how much they rant, no one will be able to actually show same-sex marriage would harm anyone.

K, you know what, fine. I'll entertain you.

The only reasonable argument against same-sex marriage is that most of our system already assumes that marriage is between the opposite sex. If we allow gay marriage, we have to adapt for that, which can be costly and too daunting a task. A better solution is to have same-sex unions which have the same benefits of marriage and then slowly transitions to it.

There.
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Postby Benuty » Sun Mar 24, 2013 12:02 am

Do people have nothing to to do than beat this horse to death?

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Postby Condunum » Sun Mar 24, 2013 12:04 am

Haydenish People wrote:
Condunum wrote:I would say that some gay people would get harmed, because divorce.


Yes, but there's risk for divorce in any marriage. What's your point?

Well, I have just presented a group of people who will be harmed indirectly by same sex marriage. I win the thread.
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Postby Donald Draper » Sun Mar 24, 2013 12:05 am

Although I am against homosexuality, I don't see any harm being emitted if homosexual marriages were legalized. Its more of a subjective issue than a general, objective one, if you ask me.
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Postby Benuty » Sun Mar 24, 2013 12:07 am

Condunum wrote:
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Yes, but there's risk for divorce in any marriage. What's your point?

Well, I have just presented a group of people who will be harmed indirectly by same sex marriage. I win the thread.


Do we really need a separate category of marriage for the Lgbt community really? that's so 20th century. Can't we just call it marriage ad get it over with?
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Donald Draper wrote:Although I am against homosexuality, I don't see any harm being emitted if homosexual marriages were legalized. Its more of a subjective issue than a general, objective one, if you ask me.

Give me your mailing address. I'm going to ship you a dictionary and a thesaurus, and then you can use big words that actually fit the sentence.
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Benuty wrote:
Condunum wrote:Well, I have just presented a group of people who will be harmed indirectly by same sex marriage. I win the thread.


do we really need a separate category of marriage for the Lgbt community really? that's so 20th century

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Postby Zweite Alaje » Sun Mar 24, 2013 12:09 am

Donald Draper wrote:Although I am against homosexuality, I don't see any harm being emitted if homosexual marriages were legalized. Its more of a subjective issue than a general, objective one, if you ask me.


What is the point of being "against" it then? That's just like the people who are "against" abortion, but don't mind people getting them.
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