I'm leaning towards murder... a murder of Jews.
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by Menassa » Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:36 pm
by New England and The Maritimes » Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:38 pm
Soviet Haaregrad wrote:Some people's opinions are based on rational observations, others base theirs on imaginative thinking. The reality-based community ought not to waste it's time refuting delusions.
by The Two Jerseys » Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:42 pm
by Defensor » Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:42 pm
New England and The Maritimes wrote:It's made up, but the people who initially made it up are long dead so it just comes down to accepted arguments about it. Not sure why it really matters, though. It's like arguing about the implications behind a paragraph in a Harry Potter book.
by New England and The Maritimes » Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:44 pm
Defensor wrote:New England and The Maritimes wrote:It's made up, but the people who initially made it up are long dead so it just comes down to accepted arguments about it. Not sure why it really matters, though. It's like arguing about the implications behind a paragraph in a Harry Potter book.
Yeah, the bible has to be made up! All the people who are alive now can prove it cause no one alive now remembers it being written! Logic.
Soviet Haaregrad wrote:Some people's opinions are based on rational observations, others base theirs on imaginative thinking. The reality-based community ought not to waste it's time refuting delusions.
by Shihou » Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:45 pm
10. Jesus says in the bible: "Do not call me good no body is good except god".
Jesus clearly states that he isn't god. But [maybe] you just said he was god. Please explain I'm confused now.
by Christmahanikwanzikah » Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:45 pm
The Two Jerseys wrote:Christmahanikwanzikah wrote:
If this person is, they came to the wrong forum.
I can see it now: "But teacher, I asked some Christians about their beliefs and they said that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are the Three Stooges, and that Jesus died to save Van Halen from Sammy Hagar!"
by Ocarith » Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:47 pm
Beloyukto wrote:Hello everyone! How are you doing today?
I just have a few questions for Christians that I wish someone could answer them. I am not Christian but I have pretty good knowledge of Christianity and the Bible. Okay here we go:
1. Is Jesus god or the son of God?
If you say he is the son of god, then he is not god?
2. Is the holy Spirit god?
3. Okay, so who is the father? Is he God?
4. Just tell me plain: Who is god?
5. How is God one and the same time three? (1=3)?
6. The trinity... Do they equal one? Or does one equal three?
7. Jesus died on the cross... So now he is dead? Okay part of god is dead? For those who say Jesus is god... A punch of Jews killed God? So a punch of Jews are stronger than God? Or maybe stronger that a part of God?
8. Christians say Jesus died for my (and your) sins. Did he die for the sins of the Jews who killed him? Are they going to heaven?
9. So everyone is going to heaven? (Remember, Jesus died for our sins). Who about those who deny that there is god?
10. Jesus says in the bible: "Do not call me good no body is good except god".
Jesus clearly states that he isn't god. But [maybe] you just said he was god. Please explain I'm confused now.
11. Jesus says in the bible: "Hear O Israel the lord our god is one lord". So there is only one god? And by 'our', Jesus is referring to himself and Israel, so god is also the god of Jesus? So God is actually A god of a god?
12. This is a question about your opinion: What do you think of other Abrahamic religions? Please explain don't just say eg. "Jews are bad".
by Defensor » Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:47 pm
New England and The Maritimes wrote:Defensor wrote:Yeah, the bible has to be made up! All the people who are alive now can prove it cause no one alive now remembers it being written! Logic.
As long as you realize the argument is an argument about the details of fiction, you're fine. An argument about what happened in Harry Potter can be done, as an argument about the events within a work of writing. Same thing for the bible. It's fiction, but arguments can still be made about fiction in terms of what is said and what it means. It kind of wastes time and does nothing, but it's not illegal.
by New England and The Maritimes » Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:48 pm
Defensor wrote:New England and The Maritimes wrote:As long as you realize the argument is an argument about the details of fiction, you're fine. An argument about what happened in Harry Potter can be done, as an argument about the events within a work of writing. Same thing for the bible. It's fiction, but arguments can still be made about fiction in terms of what is said and what it means. It kind of wastes time and does nothing, but it's not illegal.
Yeah, I mean, they're pretty much the same books too. I just like the Bible's main character better. Even though the plot line of the New Testament was a bit dull, I still really enjoyed the entire series
Soviet Haaregrad wrote:Some people's opinions are based on rational observations, others base theirs on imaginative thinking. The reality-based community ought not to waste it's time refuting delusions.
by Defensor » Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:50 pm
New England and The Maritimes wrote:Defensor wrote:Yeah, I mean, they're pretty much the same books too. I just like the Bible's main character better. Even though the plot line of the New Testament was a bit dull, I still really enjoyed the entire series
I felt the prose was far too flat to keep me entertained.
by The Rich Port » Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:51 pm
by Menassa » Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:52 pm
Ocarith wrote:Beloyukto wrote:Hello everyone! How are you doing today?
I just have a few questions for Christians that I wish someone could answer them. I am not Christian but I have pretty good knowledge of Christianity and the Bible. Okay here we go:
1. Is Jesus god or the son of God?
If you say he is the son of god, then he is not god?
2. Is the holy Spirit god?
3. Okay, so who is the father? Is he God?
4. Just tell me plain: Who is god?
5. How is God one and the same time three? (1=3)?
6. The trinity... Do they equal one? Or does one equal three?
7. Jesus died on the cross... So now he is dead? Okay part of god is dead? For those who say Jesus is god... A punch of Jews killed God? So a punch of Jews are stronger than God? Or maybe stronger that a part of God?
8. Christians say Jesus died for my (and your) sins. Did he die for the sins of the Jews who killed him? Are they going to heaven?
9. So everyone is going to heaven? (Remember, Jesus died for our sins). Who about those who deny that there is god?
10. Jesus says in the bible: "Do not call me good no body is good except god".
Jesus clearly states that he isn't god. But [maybe] you just said he was god. Please explain I'm confused now.
11. Jesus says in the bible: "Hear O Israel the lord our god is one lord". So there is only one god? And by 'our', Jesus is referring to himself and Israel, so god is also the god of Jesus? So God is actually A god of a god?
12. This is a question about your opinion: What do you think of other Abrahamic religions? Please explain don't just say eg. "Jews are bad".
1. Both. Jesus is called the Son of God because he was sent by God however Jesus is also God. This is part of the Trinity which is God in three persons. Jesus is God, however, he is the human form of God. If your still confused your not alone, Christians have spent centuries trying to grasp this but most of it is simply beyond our understand.
2. Yes, the Holy Spirit is part of the Trinity. The Spirit is the form of God that comes into peoples hearts and lives within us. The Spirit protects us, those who receive it.
3. The Father is God, he is also part of the Trinity. God the Father is the creator of all things. Jesus, Son of God and God, was the sacrifice for all mankind. And the Spirit is God sent by the Father to live among us.
4. Tough question, and its been debated for centuries by Christians. As most understand it God is the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Three in one. The trinity. Jesus was Christ, the King of Jews, and the Son of Man and the Son of God. He is also God in human form. I explained the Spirit above. God overall is a omniscient, omnipotent, all-powerful being and the Creator of all mankind. We do not know what God looks like, only that we were "created in his image..." however since Jesus is God this could easily mean we were created in the image of Jesus. Long philosophical statement short, we do not know what God physically looks like.
5. Its really hard to understand for a lot of Christians and humans in general. God is three beings with one essence. As in the three act together but apart. They are in unison and one cannot contradict the other. They operate in perfect harmony. The best explanation humanity has for this is that God is three in one. Since he is God he is the holder of all knowledge and this is just a sector of knowledge that humans cannot mentally comprehend because we are lesser.
6. This is the same question. Just as 2+2=4, 4 can equal 2+2. (Please do not start saying 'but 3+1=4. Just don't). God is all three and all three make up God. All three are necessary.
7. Jesus did die, but his death was not forced. Jesus gave himself up, thats why he was the sacrifice. Jesus told his disciples who tried to save him that this must happen. However Jesus did not stay dead. The whole religion is built upon his resurrection. Jesus conquered death therefore allowing us to do the same. Because he died and rose again we could rise again if we followed him. The Jews did kill Jesus, however this was meant to be.
8. Jesus died for the sins of everyone, be them Jew or Gentile. Jews can still go to heaven as long as they follow Christ in the end. Jews have equal of chance to go to heaven as Gentiles do. The only factor is if your willing to follow Christ and recognize him as God.
9. Not everyone is going to heaven, otherwise there would be no point of following Christ or obeying his morals. When Jesus died for our sins it freed us from death. That means he allowed us to conquer death and redeem ourselves. This can only be done by recognizing Christ as your savior and God.
10. Ah but you see Jesus never said he wasn't God. He merely said "no one is good but God." He never ruled himself out as God and many times in the bible he refers to himself as God, directly and indirectly. Since Jesus is God he can be good. If you re-read the statement Christ never said he wasn't god. He merely asked a rhetorical question, as in "Why do you call me good?" If one were to respond directly you would say,"Because you are the Lord, the Savior of Mankind and the one without sin. You are god and are the only thing good in this world."
11. Jesus is the Son of God so referring to his actual form, the Father, is not uncommon or problematic. God is the God of everyone, including Christ since Christ is still man. however, Christ is also God. Yes, its confusing this isn't rare.
12. Jews aren't bad. Jews are Gods chosen people, they are also the people of Christ. I have a desire to protect the Jews and protect Israel. The only other Abrahamic religion is Islam, which is vaguely an Abrahamic religion at best. As in, its disconnected from the Abrahamic Christianity and Judaism because it was separating by over 700 years of paganism. Christianity stemmed directly from the Jews while Islam was separated from those by nearly over 700 years. Abrahamic religions were very disconnected from that region. However, that is just my opinion.
by Defensor » Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:52 pm
The Rich Port wrote:Let me ask YOU something.
How come nobody ever asks confrontational, easy-to-look-up questions to Hindus?
We're people too, you know.
by Ocarith » Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:52 pm
The Rich Port wrote:Let me ask YOU something.
How come nobody ever asks confrontational, easy-to-look-up questions to Hindus?
We're people too, you know.
by Krytak » Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:54 pm
is obviously better off than a Christian who is a hypocrite. Jesus said it was better for those who did not know god, than for those who claim to know him, but do not act like it.the will of my Father who is in heaven
by Ocarith » Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:54 pm
Menassa wrote:Ocarith wrote:
1. Both. Jesus is called the Son of God because he was sent by God however Jesus is also God. This is part of the Trinity which is God in three persons. Jesus is God, however, he is the human form of God. If your still confused your not alone, Christians have spent centuries trying to grasp this but most of it is simply beyond our understand.
2. Yes, the Holy Spirit is part of the Trinity. The Spirit is the form of God that comes into peoples hearts and lives within us. The Spirit protects us, those who receive it.
3. The Father is God, he is also part of the Trinity. God the Father is the creator of all things. Jesus, Son of God and God, was the sacrifice for all mankind. And the Spirit is God sent by the Father to live among us.
4. Tough question, and its been debated for centuries by Christians. As most understand it God is the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Three in one. The trinity. Jesus was Christ, the King of Jews, and the Son of Man and the Son of God. He is also God in human form. I explained the Spirit above. God overall is a omniscient, omnipotent, all-powerful being and the Creator of all mankind. We do not know what God looks like, only that we were "created in his image..." however since Jesus is God this could easily mean we were created in the image of Jesus. Long philosophical statement short, we do not know what God physically looks like.
5. Its really hard to understand for a lot of Christians and humans in general. God is three beings with one essence. As in the three act together but apart. They are in unison and one cannot contradict the other. They operate in perfect harmony. The best explanation humanity has for this is that God is three in one. Since he is God he is the holder of all knowledge and this is just a sector of knowledge that humans cannot mentally comprehend because we are lesser.
6. This is the same question. Just as 2+2=4, 4 can equal 2+2. (Please do not start saying 'but 3+1=4. Just don't). God is all three and all three make up God. All three are necessary.
7. Jesus did die, but his death was not forced. Jesus gave himself up, thats why he was the sacrifice. Jesus told his disciples who tried to save him that this must happen. However Jesus did not stay dead. The whole religion is built upon his resurrection. Jesus conquered death therefore allowing us to do the same. Because he died and rose again we could rise again if we followed him. The Jews did kill Jesus, however this was meant to be.
8. Jesus died for the sins of everyone, be them Jew or Gentile. Jews can still go to heaven as long as they follow Christ in the end. Jews have equal of chance to go to heaven as Gentiles do. The only factor is if your willing to follow Christ and recognize him as God.
9. Not everyone is going to heaven, otherwise there would be no point of following Christ or obeying his morals. When Jesus died for our sins it freed us from death. That means he allowed us to conquer death and redeem ourselves. This can only be done by recognizing Christ as your savior and God.
10. Ah but you see Jesus never said he wasn't God. He merely said "no one is good but God." He never ruled himself out as God and many times in the bible he refers to himself as God, directly and indirectly. Since Jesus is God he can be good. If you re-read the statement Christ never said he wasn't god. He merely asked a rhetorical question, as in "Why do you call me good?" If one were to respond directly you would say,"Because you are the Lord, the Savior of Mankind and the one without sin. You are god and are the only thing good in this world."
11. Jesus is the Son of God so referring to his actual form, the Father, is not uncommon or problematic. God is the God of everyone, including Christ since Christ is still man. however, Christ is also God. Yes, its confusing this isn't rare.
12. Jews aren't bad. Jews are Gods chosen people, they are also the people of Christ. I have a desire to protect the Jews and protect Israel. The only other Abrahamic religion is Islam, which is vaguely an Abrahamic religion at best. As in, its disconnected from the Abrahamic Christianity and Judaism because it was separating by over 700 years of paganism. Christianity stemmed directly from the Jews while Islam was separated from those by nearly over 700 years. Abrahamic religions were very disconnected from that region. However, that is just my opinion.
Define: 'Protect'
You want to protect Jews, yet if they don't believe in Jesus they're going to hell?
by Menassa » Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:56 pm
So you want to protect 'sinners?'Ocarith wrote:Menassa wrote:
Define: 'Protect'
You want to protect Jews, yet if they don't believe in Jesus they're going to hell?
If anyone doesn't believe that Jesus if God they are going to hell. This is a simple fact. When I say I want to protect the Jews it means exactly that. you realize I'm just a person. I cannot protect Jews from going to hell, that is up to God. I can help physically protect them by promoting the Jewish state and standing by them in conflicts against any foe.
by Ocarith » Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:56 pm
there is no solid evidence for the trinity in the new testament. the churches who teach it twisted certain passages in order to make it seem as such. The idea of the trinity did not come about until the 4th century. It was not taught by Jesus or his followers. Jesus specifically referred to god as being his father, the one who sent him to earth.
by Ocarith » Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:57 pm
Menassa wrote:So you want to protect 'sinners?'Ocarith wrote:
If anyone doesn't believe that Jesus if God they are going to hell. This is a simple fact. When I say I want to protect the Jews it means exactly that. you realize I'm just a person. I cannot protect Jews from going to hell, that is up to God. I can help physically protect them by promoting the Jewish state and standing by them in conflicts against any foe.
by Shihou » Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:58 pm
Menassa wrote:So you want to protect 'sinners?'Ocarith wrote:
If anyone doesn't believe that Jesus if God they are going to hell. This is a simple fact. When I say I want to protect the Jews it means exactly that. you realize I'm just a person. I cannot protect Jews from going to hell, that is up to God. I can help physically protect them by promoting the Jewish state and standing by them in conflicts against any foe.
by Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:58 pm
Beloyukto wrote:Hello everyone! How are you doing today?
I just have a few questions for Christians that I wish someone could answer them. I am not Christian but I have pretty good knowledge of Christianity and the Bible. Okay here we go:
1. Is Jesus god or the son of God?
If you say he is the son of god, then he is not god?
2. Is the holy Spirit god?
3. Okay, so who is the father? Is he God?
4. Just tell me plain: Who is god?
5. How is God one and the same time three? (1=3)?
6. The trinity... Do they equal one? Or does one equal three?
7. Jesus died on the cross... So now he is dead? Okay part of god is dead? For those who say Jesus is god... A punch of Jews killed God? So a punch of Jews are stronger than God? Or maybe stronger that a part of God?
8. Christians say Jesus died for my (and your) sins. Did he die for the sins of the Jews who killed him? Are they going to heaven?
9. So everyone is going to heaven? (Remember, Jesus died for our sins). Who about those who deny that there is god?
10. Jesus says in the bible: "Do not call me good no body is good except god".
Jesus clearly states that he isn't god. But [maybe] you just said he was god. Please explain I'm confused now.
11. Jesus says in the bible: "Hear O Israel the lord our god is one lord". So there is only one god? And by 'our', Jesus is referring to himself and Israel, so god is also the god of Jesus? So God is actually A god of a god?
12. This is a question about your opinion: What do you think of other Abrahamic religions? Please explain don't just say eg. "Jews are bad".
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by Menassa » Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:59 pm
by Menassa » Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:59 pm
Shihou wrote:Menassa wrote:So you want to protect 'sinners?'
It's hating the sin, not the sinner.
Matthew 22:36-40
New International Version (NIV)
36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?” 37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
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