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Postby Samuraikoku » Mon Mar 04, 2013 1:11 pm

Liriena wrote:Death to the Stormcloaks!


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Postby Zweite Alaje » Mon Mar 04, 2013 1:12 pm

Nah, religion and spirituality will only change form. I think it and science will become increasingly unified actually.
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Postby Foroclok » Mon Mar 04, 2013 1:12 pm

religion is falling
if by religion you are referring entirely to a few denominations of western protestant christianity

and these threads always are

because in most parts of the world religion is not a thing you can just strip from the populace and have society go on hunky-dory
entire societies are built upon it
and it is in many
possibly most
cases

not seen as a separate domain from the rest of a person or cultures lifestyle the way it is in the west

just because religion in the west has made itself all but irrelevant does not mean that the rest of the world will give it up so easily

and even in the west it is being replaced by a secular worldview that serves the same societal functions yet is all the more dangerous because it views itself as exceptional and progressive

which is derivative and reflective of the western colonial legacies of which it is a part

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Postby Nigerian Kenya » Mon Mar 04, 2013 1:13 pm

Religion has been gradually declining in importance ever since people began to realize that kings and queens weren't divine centuries ago. It will never completely fade, because certain things, such as the big bang, can still not be explained by science fully, so people turn to a divine power, be it god, allah, or somebody else. And there's also the fact that evolution is not yet proven fact.

I've stated my beliefs elsewhere, but I'll state them again: I consider myself a mixed-domination christian, a mix of lutheran, presbyterian, and catholic. On the topic of Creationism: I believe god created the universe by helping the process of evolution happen, as well as causing the big bang and placing earth and probably a few other planets in a place where life could occur. I believe the six days in the bible refer to what seems like a day to god, which is actually a lot longer than a day. I don't believe that earth is the only planet containing life, because that just sounds really silly. hundreds of planets across dozens of galaxies and only earth has life? Almost impossible.

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Postby Liriena » Mon Mar 04, 2013 1:15 pm

Nidaria wrote:
Liriena wrote:
Death to the Stormcloaks!

And this is contributing to the discussion how exactly?
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I have already expressed my thoughts on this topic: Organized religion is suffering through a major crisis, and I have my reasons to believe that it is the beginning of the end for it, at least on a large scale. Religion itself is not going through an equally dramatic process (individual spirituality, I believe, will pick up the tab), but the Catholic Church and other forms of mainstream, organized doctrine may never recover.
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Postby Minoriteeburg » Mon Mar 04, 2013 1:18 pm

Liriena wrote:
Nidaria wrote:And this is contributing to the discussion how exactly?
I hate flippancy so much....


I have already expressed my thoughts on this topic: Organized religion is suffering through a major crisis, and I have my reasons to believe that it is the beginning of the end for it, at least on a large scale. Religion itself is not going through an equally dramatic process (individual spirituality, I believe, will pick up the tab), but the Catholic Church and other forms of mainstream, organized doctrine may never recover.



The Catholic Church is just spiraling into oblivion with corruption. Even the Pope doesn't want to be around anymore.

And now the bishops cannot agree on when to vote on the next Pope. They need to get it together and soon if they wish to retain their followers.
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Postby Hansoplis » Mon Mar 04, 2013 1:24 pm

Catan wrote:Religion may be experiencing a decline in the Western world, but religion will not go away for at least several hundred years. Look at places like Africa and the Middle East, where faith is not just encouraged but mandatory.



I notice that places where there is a large amount of "faith", such as Africa, tend to be more impoverished, violent, unstable, oppressive, and have large Human rights abuse records... :palm: THIS IS WHY I AM AN ATHIEST!

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Postby Minoriteeburg » Mon Mar 04, 2013 1:27 pm

Hansoplis wrote:
Catan wrote:Religion may be experiencing a decline in the Western world, but religion will not go away for at least several hundred years. Look at places like Africa and the Middle East, where faith is not just encouraged but mandatory.



I notice that places where there is a large amount of "faith", such as Africa, tend to be more impoverished, violent, unstable, oppressive, and have large Human rights abuse records... :palm: THIS IS WHY I AM AN ATHIEST!



That is no reason to be an Atheist.
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Postby Liriena » Mon Mar 04, 2013 1:31 pm

Minoriteeburg wrote:
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I notice that places where there is a large amount of "faith", such as Africa, tend to be more impoverished, violent, unstable, oppressive, and have large Human rights abuse records... :palm: THIS IS WHY I AM AN ATHIEST!



That is no reason to be an Atheist.


Seriously. That's the textbook definition of equating correlation with causation. Yes, Africa is mostly a fundamentalist shithole, but that doesn't mean religion is the cause of it.
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Postby Minoriteeburg » Mon Mar 04, 2013 1:32 pm

Liriena wrote:
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That is no reason to be an Atheist.


Seriously. That's the textbook definition of equating correlation with causation. Yes, Africa is mostly a fundamentalist shithole, but that doesn't mean religion is the cause of it.


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Postby Grad Duchy of Luxembourg » Mon Mar 04, 2013 1:34 pm

Hansoplis wrote:
Catan wrote:Religion may be experiencing a decline in the Western world, but religion will not go away for at least several hundred years. Look at places like Africa and the Middle East, where faith is not just encouraged but mandatory.



I notice that places where there is a large amount of "faith", such as Africa, tend to be more impoverished, violent, unstable, oppressive, and have large Human rights abuse records... :palm: THIS IS WHY I AM AN ATHIEST!

Correlation does not necessarily imply causality. But if it did in this case, I can see why you'd think that would be a good reason to be an atheist.
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Postby The New One » Mon Mar 04, 2013 1:34 pm

I, for a while, called myself a Christian, though I stopped since I never really attended church. I don't think religion will disappear, but it will certainly become less prominent.

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Postby Minoriteeburg » Mon Mar 04, 2013 1:35 pm

Grad Duchy of Luxembourg wrote:
Hansoplis wrote:

I notice that places where there is a large amount of "faith", such as Africa, tend to be more impoverished, violent, unstable, oppressive, and have large Human rights abuse records... :palm: THIS IS WHY I AM AN ATHIEST!

Correlation does not necessarily imply causality. But it did in this case, I can see why you'd think that would be a good reason to be an atheist.


What? An oppressive government regime, and poor living standards are by no means tied to religion.
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Postby Grad Duchy of Luxembourg » Mon Mar 04, 2013 1:36 pm

Minoriteeburg wrote:
Grad Duchy of Luxembourg wrote:Correlation does not necessarily imply causality. But it did in this case, I can see why you'd think that would be a good reason to be an atheist.


What? An oppressive government regime, and poor living standards are by no means tied to religion.

I forgot an "if": "it" --> "if it"

Maybe he somehow knows of a link. I was giving him the benefit of a doubt
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Postby Minoriteeburg » Mon Mar 04, 2013 1:39 pm

Grad Duchy of Luxembourg wrote:
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What? An oppressive government regime, and poor living standards are by no means tied to religion.

I forgot an "if": "it" --> "if it"

Maybe he somehow knows of a link. I was giving him the benefit of a doubt


I highly doubt it.
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Minoriteeburg wrote:
Grad Duchy of Luxembourg wrote:I forgot an "if": "it" --> "if it"

Maybe he somehow knows of a link. I was giving him the benefit of a doubt


I highly doubt it.

I'm sure he'll post again if he knows of a link.
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Postby Minoriteeburg » Mon Mar 04, 2013 1:44 pm

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I highly doubt it.

I'm sure he'll post again if he knows of a link.


Just don't hold your breath. ;)
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Postby Minoriteeburg » Mon Mar 04, 2013 1:52 pm

Zweite Alaje wrote:Nah, religion and spirituality will only change form. I think it and science will become increasingly unified actually.


I agree with this.
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Mon Mar 04, 2013 1:57 pm

It will never completely vanish.
If the enlightenment era and the "Sexual Revolution" didn't kill it off there's not much left that could completely snuff it.

It just won't become that important to life, which is a good thing.
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Postby Minoriteeburg » Mon Mar 04, 2013 2:07 pm

The Lone Alliance wrote:It will never completely vanish.
If the enlightenment era and the "Sexual Revolution" didn't kill it off there's not much left that could completely snuff it.

It just won't become that important to life, which is a good thing.



It will obviously be important to those who believe in it.
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Postby Manahakatouki » Mon Mar 04, 2013 2:35 pm

I can easily see it not being around myself, but I'm sure it may exist in some form or another...

Though I can see future us regarding it like we do old Norse legends or something...

Cool perhaps, interesting to say the least, but not relevant to anything but the culture that worshipped it...
And so it was, that I had never changed.

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Postby Howdoyoudoland » Mon Mar 04, 2013 2:39 pm

The numbers of the faithful have ebbed and flowed throughout the years, shrinking and ballooning back and forth with the times. It is inevitable that people will stray and hubris shall increase within them from time to time, and they shall forget why they need faith.
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Howdoyoudoland wrote:The numbers of the faithful have ebbed and flowed throughout the years, shrinking and ballooning back and forth with the times. It is inevitable that people will stray and hubris shall increase within them from time to time, and they shall forget why they need faith.


I don't need faith.

I'm trying to remember the last time that I needed the Bible to stop me from doing "bad things".

I'm also trying to remember the last time that I ate a baby or anything similarly unpleasant.

I'm not getting any results back as of yet.
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Postby Manahakatouki » Mon Mar 04, 2013 2:43 pm

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Howdoyoudoland wrote:The numbers of the faithful have ebbed and flowed throughout the years, shrinking and ballooning back and forth with the times. It is inevitable that people will stray and hubris shall increase within them from time to time, and they shall forget why they need faith.


I don't need faith.

I'm trying to remember the last time that I needed the Bible to stop me from doing "bad things".

I'm also trying to remember the last time that I ate a baby or anything similarly unpleasant.

I'm not getting any results back as of yet.


In their defense, the one time I wanted to go screaming in town with friends*, the only thing that stopped us was a church service going on at the time...

*Let out steam, I don't know I've done it before...
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Postby Disserbia » Mon Mar 04, 2013 2:43 pm

Only time will tell.
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