Golden Dawn in Greece

[Abatael]

Do you have a source for this?

You cannot source predictions.

Your so-called prediction was incorrectly presented as an assertion then. (Id est, it will be dead by the end of the decade.)

[DrakoBlaria]

Do you have a source for this?

You cannot source predictions.

So you just ingored my link?

[Divair]

You cannot source predictions.

Your so-called prediction was incorrectly presented as an assertion then. (Id est, it will be dead by the end of the decade.)

Sorry it wasn't obvious enough for you to see it as a prediction.

[The Darwinian People]

They should win. And, hopefully, hang the bankers and liberal elites by their necks. The greediness of international financiers and the unscrupulous and immoral usury practises have created the economic problem; Golden Dawn are only taking advantage of a situation that could've been prevented.

I am also disgusted at the supposed communists and socialists that, apparently, prefer neo-liberalism, economic oppression and corrupt government over a group that feeds the poor and is hoping to rectify the problem. I can see why a communist might not like the GD's specific ideology; but they should prefer it to the system they're looking to replace.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

Can you show us some opinion polls to prove this?

Here you go.http://www.real.gr/DefaultArthro.aspx?p ... 2&catID=11

And charts change from source to source but the numbers are the same.
SYRIZA and ND struggle with 20% each and GD is somewhere bewteen 10-14%

Those polls you sourced show around 10%. That is not "rising every day", and having 1/2 the support of either of the two main parties is not something that means you're going to get into government.

They might be gone in 10 years, hopefully.

[Abatael]

Your so-called prediction was incorrectly presented as an assertion then. (Id est, it will be dead by the end of the decade.)

Sorry it wasn't obvious enough for you to see it as a prediction.

Or, rather, that it wasn't a prediction with that type of a presentation and was, actually, an assertion.

But it's okay that you failed to write a prediction properly.

[Herrebrugh]

Straw man.

And besides, just because one group supposedly uses violence that doesn't justify another group doing the same.

Supposedly? You just lost here.The magority of crime in Greece is caused by immigrants,most of which is covered by the police.
Just go a walk in Athens,black people will try to sell you stolen stuff without a license.Gangs even beat up legal greek sellers and when GD protects greeks they are racist

Yeah... I need some pretty good sauce with this...

And even then, my point still stands: "just because one group supposedly uses violence that doesn't justify another group doing the same."

[Angleter]

Needed to save Greece from Islamic Facism

So you're saying that, to save Greece from Islamic Fascism (assuming such a threat exists, which it almost certainly doesn't), what they need is a good dose of, er, Fascism?

[Abatael]

Here you go.http://www.real.gr/DefaultArthro.aspx?p ... 2&catID=11

And charts change from source to source but the numbers are the same.
SYRIZA and ND struggle with 20% each and GD is somewhere bewteen 10-14%

Those polls you sourced show around 10%. That is not "rising every day", and having 1/2 the support of either of the two main parties is not something that means you're going to get into government.

They might be gone in 10 years, hopefully.

They are already in the government.

[Divair]

So you just ingored my link?

Your link is written in Greek and could potentially be a biased source, but I cannot check. Let's take a look at the current Greek parliament:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellenic_Parliament

18 seats out of 300. That's 6%. They're irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

[The Darwinian People]

"just because one group supposedly uses violence that doesn't justify another group doing the same."

It's called self-defence...

[Herrebrugh]

"just because one group supposedly uses violence that doesn't justify another group doing the same."

It's called self-defence...

It's called a crime.

[Divair]

Or, rather, that it wasn't a prediction with that type of a presentation and was, actually, an assertion.

But it's okay that you failed to write a prediction properly.

I think I'd know my own positions better than you, but please, do continue on about knowing more than I do concerning what I'm saying.

[DrakoBlaria]

They should win. And, hopefully, hang the bankers and liberal elites by their necks. The greediness of international financiers and the unscrupulous and immoral usury practises have created the economic problem; Golden Dawn are only taking advantage of a situation that could've been prevented.

I am also disgusted at the supposed communists and socialists that, apparently, prefer neo-liberalism, economic oppression and corrupt government over a group that feeds the poor and is hoping to rectify the problem. I can see why a communist might not like the GD's specific ideology; but they should prefer it to the system they're looking to replace.

A 23 year old Pakistani raped and tortured a 15 year old greek girl to death.SYRIZA,the party that is 20% in the charts did everything it could for the guy to get trialled as underaged.

Also there was an amred robbery in an area of greece and no one knew about the suspects.Then a memeber of SYRIZA (who is in the parliment) said it saw a GD MP take part in the robbery and the guy is being trilled with no evidence

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

Those polls you sourced show around 10%. That is not "rising every day", and having 1/2 the support of either of the two main parties is not something that means you're going to get into government.

They might be gone in 10 years, hopefully.

They are already in the government.

No, they're not. They're in the Parliament, not the government.

[Angleter]

So you just ingored my link?

Your link is written in Greek and could potentially be a biased source, but I cannot check. Let's take a look at the current Greek parliament:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellenic_Parliament

18 seats out of 300. That's 6%. They're irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

Polls are putting them third. But they're also roughly 17 points off the lead (and 2nd), and would need to move from 12% to 40% to win an outright majority (which they'd need to get in power, since no other party will work with them).

[Abatael]

Or, rather, that it wasn't a prediction with that type of a presentation and was, actually, an assertion.

But it's okay that you failed to write a prediction properly.

I think I'd know my own positions better than you, but please, do continue on about knowing more than I do concerning what I'm saying.

No, I completely agree with you that you meant it to be a prediction, but you simply failed to arrange it as such. That's why you apologized, remember, Divair?

[DrakoBlaria]

So you just ingored my link?

Your link is written in Greek and could potentially be a biased source, but I cannot check. Let's take a look at the current Greek parliament:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellenic_Parliament

18 seats out of 300. That's 6%. They're irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

STAR is a big chanell in greece.But then of course all my sources are biased.

[Risottia]

Good for you.And resistance from what,a democraticly elected party?

Absolutely.

Totally.

The Constitution is above any election.

Art. 1
Italy is a democratic republic, founded on work.
Sovereignty belongs to the people, which exercises it in the forms and within the limits of the Constitution.

Art. 3
All citizens have equal social dignity and are equal before the law, without distinction of sex, race, language, religion, political opinions, personal and social conditions. ...

Art. 52
The defence of the Fatherland is a sacred duty for every citizen. ...

Art. 54
All citizens have the duty to be loyal to the Republic and to uphold its Constitution and laws. ...

XII
It shall be forbidden to reorganize, under any form whatever, the dissolved fascist party.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

Your link is written in Greek and could potentially be a biased source, but I cannot check. Let's take a look at the current Greek parliament:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellenic_Parliament

18 seats out of 300. That's 6%. They're irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

STAR is a big chanell in greece.But then of course all my sources are biased.

All sources are biased. Bias does not prevent truth. It's just that you've failed to prove that support has risen to 13% (your source shows support at about 10%) and you've failed to show that it's continually rising even now.

[Freiheit Reich]

Needed to save Greece from Islamic Facism and being overwhelmed with non-Greek immigrants which will destroy their proud culture.

Greece (and all Europe countries) need to leave the EU.

Thanks for the support.Right now we are the garbage can of europe.When we fall all these immigrants will come to you.

If it's true they use violence against foreign immigrants (or violence at all, really), they should no doubt be banned.

Still,the crime caused by immigrants is even higher.They are protecting greek people in areas where muslims dont allow the GREEKS to leave their houses

BS, the only thing the old world nations have on us is their age. The US has its own national myth.

National,not ethnic

They are coming, I am in the USA and we are importing thousands of people that hold religious views which are dangerous. Thankfully the USA is getting most of their immigrants from Mexico and S. America which have closer cultural ties and share a western culture. We are also getting more (not enough though) from China and Vietnam. We should end all immigration from the Middle East but anybody that supports this view is branded racist (including me). Latin Americans may save the USA from the Islamic Facism.

Europe is in much worse shape than the USA though.

[Divair]

No, I completely agree with you that you meant it to be a prediction, but you simply failed to arrange it as such. That's why you apologized, remember, Divair?

Apologized for your inability to see it was a clear prediction, yes. Good to see you're dragging the thread off course.

[Abatael]

They are already in the government.

No, they're not. They're in the Parliament, not the government.

That is a part of the government, within in the legislative branch. Regardless of that, they are in one municipality.

[Divair]

Your link is written in Greek and could potentially be a biased source, but I cannot check. Let's take a look at the current Greek parliament:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellenic_Parliament

18 seats out of 300. That's 6%. They're irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

STAR is a big chanell in greece.But then of course all my sources are biased.

It's in Greek and I don't know Greek sources. Given that is a reality, I prefer to use something far more relevant, that being the current structure of the parliament.

[Abatael]

No, I completely agree with you that you meant it to be a prediction, but you simply failed to arrange it as such. That's why you apologized, remember, Divair?

Apologized for your inability to see it was a clear prediction, yes. Good to see you're dragging the thread off course.

I couldn't see it because, oh yeah, you failed to make simple and proper presentation, but, again, I forgave you for it.