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by The Democratic Nation of Unovia » Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:03 pm
by Krownsinburg » Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:04 pm
by Zottistan » Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:04 pm
by United Bobtopia » Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:05 pm
by Laerod » Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:05 pm
Zottistan wrote:Laerod wrote:Why'd you be in favor then?
Far as I'm concerned, private education is a lot better than public. The transition from public to private would be expensive and difficult, and would put a lot of people out of work, but the country'd get over it. On the long run, the benifits of private education would outweigh the cost of the short-term economic damage done.
by Kranstentistan » Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:08 pm
by Priory Academy USSR » Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:08 pm
Zottistan wrote:Laerod wrote:Why'd you be in favor then?
Far as I'm concerned, private education is a lot better than public. The transition from public to private would be expensive and difficult, and would put a lot of people out of work, but the country'd get over it. On the long run, the benifits of private education would outweigh the cost of the short-term economic damage done.
by Alowwvia » Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:09 pm
Zottistan wrote:Laerod wrote:Why'd you be in favor then?
Far as I'm concerned, private education is a lot better than public. The transition from public to private would be expensive and difficult, and would put a lot of people out of work, but the country'd get over it. On the long run, the benifits of private education would outweigh the cost of the short-term economic damage done.
by Laerod » Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:10 pm
by Zottistan » Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:13 pm
Priory Academy USSR wrote:Zottistan wrote:Far as I'm concerned, private education is a lot better than public. The transition from public to private would be expensive and difficult, and would put a lot of people out of work, but the country'd get over it. On the long run, the benifits of private education would outweigh the cost of the short-term economic damage done.
Please, tell us some of these-benefits-of which you speak.
by Laerod » Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:18 pm
ii) Competition would make education cheaper, and lower taxes would make it easier to afford.
iii) Moar freedom.
iv) Smaller workload for government allows for focus on other areas.
by Steidenland » Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:21 pm
by Zottistan » Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:23 pm
Laerod wrote:Zottistan wrote:Well,
i) You could choose schools that embrace your values without all schools having the same values.
Too many people value ignorance for that to be a good idea.ii) Competition would make education cheaper, and lower taxes would make it easier to afford.
Not really no. You'll end up with people not sending their kids to schools because schools cost money.iii) Moar freedom.
So?iv) Smaller workload for government allows for focus on other areas.
The people working in other areas aren't the ones working in the Department of Education. The departments aren't exactly competing for human resources, which you'd know if you compared the job descriptions of someone in Education with someone in Defense or Transportation.
by Individuality-ness » Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:24 pm
by Rio Cana » Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:26 pm
by Priory Academy USSR » Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:26 pm
Zottistan wrote:
Well,
i) You could choose schools that embrace your values without all schools having the same values.
ii) Competition would make education cheaper, and lower taxes would make it easier to afford.
iii) Moar freedom.
iv) Smaller workload for government allows for focus on other areas.
EDIT: Plus, all the economic benifits of teachers' wages remaining in the private sector, and the fact that the education industry would be more efficient.
by Laerod » Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:27 pm
Zottistan wrote:Laerod wrote:Too many people value ignorance for that to be a good idea.
Not really no. You'll end up with people not sending their kids to schools because schools cost money.
So?
The people working in other areas aren't the ones working in the Department of Education. The departments aren't exactly competing for human resources, which you'd know if you compared the job descriptions of someone in Education with someone in Defense or Transportation.
i) People have a right to be idiots.
ii) A very, very slim minority.
iii) Always a good thing.
iv) Possibly. I've never looked at either. The others still stand.
by Individuality-ness » Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:33 pm
Zottistan wrote:Laerod wrote:The people working in other areas aren't the ones working in the Department of Education. The departments aren't exactly competing for human resources, which you'd know if you compared the job descriptions of someone in Education with someone in Defense or Transportation.
iv) Possibly. I've never looked at either. The others still stand.
by Zottistan » Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:36 pm
Priory Academy USSR wrote:Zottistan wrote:Well,
i) You could choose schools that embrace your values without all schools having the same values.
ii) Competition would make education cheaper, and lower taxes would make it easier to afford.
iii) Moar freedom.
iv) Smaller workload for government allows for focus on other areas.
EDIT: Plus, all the economic benifits of teachers' wages remaining in the private sector, and the fact that the education industry would be more efficient.
1) Already done under state control.
2) Doubtful. Most schools already run to a farily strict budget, and so can't afford much waste. Anyway, school fees are horrendously high: Apparently, it's out of reach of the middle class, let alone all working class folk.
3) I fail to see your point. I suppose there'd be a valid reason not to come to school any more.
4) Education only comes to 2% of the federal budget.
I don't know about teacher's wages, tbh. They might rise, I don't know.
Laerod wrote:Zottistan wrote:i) People have a right to be idiots.
Your right to be an idiot ends where my nose starts. Replace "my nose" with "your kid's education" and consider yourself disproven.ii) A very, very slim minority.
Irrelevant.iii) Always a good thing.
Not so.iv) Possibly. I've never looked at either. The others still stand.
Nope.
by Desperate Measures » Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:36 pm
Laerod wrote:Zottistan wrote:
ii) A very, very slim minority.
35% of the US population is working class. Tuition at private schools are around the price of higher education in the US, and presuming that there will be no vouchers or grants to attend these schools, that's a lot of people that won't be educated due to inability to pay.
by Laerod » Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:37 pm
Zottistan wrote:Laerod wrote:Your right to be an idiot ends where my nose starts. Replace "my nose" with "your kid's education" and consider yourself disproven.
Irrelevant.
Not so.
Nope.
i) I have a right to decide what I spend my money on. My child's education is a gift I give to them, and I get to decide what the gift is.
ii) Not at all. Majority outweighs minority, and the majority benifits from private education.
iii) More freedom=more ideas.
iv) Yup.
by Individuality-ness » Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:37 pm
Desperate Measures wrote:Individuality-ness wrote:35% of the US population is working class. Tuition at private schools are around the price of higher education in the US, and presuming that there will be no vouchers or grants to attend these schools, that's a lot of people that won't be educated due to inability to pay.
I think the idea is that the education would simply trickle down.
by Gauthier » Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:39 pm
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