Should the U.S Abolish the Department of Education?

[Nua Corda]

The elite take any position requiring education, and the uneducated take whatever jobs that the elite want done.

Bingo. I was right! Do I get a cookie?

[Abatael]

The elite take any position requiring education, and the uneducated take whatever jobs that the elite want done.

Bingo. I was right! Do I get a cookie?

It is not as if I was trying to hide this, so you did not really discover anything.

[Laerod]

A large percentage of property taxes are often allocated to public education. And even if you don't pay it at the moment, the idea is that you will get a job, a house, and start paying property taxes to support said public education. So you're not getting it for free.

Ideas are not the same as the application of the idea. There are a number of people, who don't pay taxes.

Highly unlikely. Sales taxes aren't something you can just avoid.

[Threlizdun]

The elite take any position requiring education, and the uneducated take whatever jobs that the elite want done.

Bingo. I was right! Do I get a cookie?

Abatael has made it quite clear time and time again that he believes the poor aren't human beings and deserve death and suffering for the sake of their elite masters.

[Alowwvia]

A large percentage of property taxes are often allocated to public education. And even if you don't pay it at the moment, the idea is that you will get a job, a house, and start paying property taxes to support said public education. So you're not getting it for free.

Ideas are not the same as the application of the idea. There are a number of people, who don't pay taxes.

So it's alright for the government to make you do anything it wants to then? Because governments are infallible?

The government is the monopoly of authority in this region, so they can do whatever they want. Governments are not necessarily infallible, but they can do whatever they want. This does not mean there can be no resistance to what they do though.

So, basically the trust-fund babies get all the jobs, the poor people get even more fucked, and the middle class becomes the new poor. Sounds like your typical right-wing agenda.

The elite take any position requiring education, and the uneducated take whatever jobs that the elite want done.

Luckily, the world just so happens to not be Mad Max, and organized governments, despite consolidation of power, DO have limits on the power they can exert over the people. Namely, governments should be restricted from intentionally treating people like shit to maintain power. No government that is unloved by its own people should exist.

[Gauthier]

If anything, exactly the opposite. Give the DoE some teeth.

No, people do not deserve to be educated for free.

Now now, educated servants are competent servants. Unless you like hunting uneducated people for sport.

[Grave_n_idle]

The elite take any position requiring education, and the uneducated take whatever jobs that the elite want done.

Sounds like a good plan, actually. Now - since I'm a lot more educated than you, go make me a sandwich.

[Nua Corda]

Bingo. I was right! Do I get a cookie?

Abatael has made it quite clear time and time again that he believes the poor aren't human beings and deserve death and suffering for the sake of their elite masters.

*Faith in humanity bar plummets*

[Sarkhaan]

People are not educated for free, as there is no such thing as a free lunch.

Education is paid for via property taxes primarily, with free delivery at the point of service. We all pay into the system in the form of taxes, of which we would have far less of were it not for having a large, educated workforce.

Education is not lunch, and, in fact, public schools do offer free or reduced lunch. (They offer both.

You're being deliberately obtuse, right?
There's no way someone is that obtuse.
I wasn't saying that school is lunch. I was referencing a well known economic principle: "There's No Such Thing As A Free Lunch" (frequently shortened to TNSTAAFL). It means that everything has a cost.
We pay for education. On the order of 77 billion a year at the federal level. More at the state and local levels. Education is free AT THE POINT OF DELIVERY.
"Free" lunches are free AT THE POINT OF DELIVERY.
What, do you think the schools go rob a McDonalds and give that food to the students? The food costs the same, regardless of what a student is charged.

Not everyone pays taxes.

Such as? Let's bump these off one at a time. Mind you, education is funded by the following taxes:
Federal income, federal capital gains, federal payroll, state income, state sales, local property, among others. I'd love to meet the person that avoids every single one of those taxes. For real.

[Grave_n_idle]

Ideas are not the same as the application of the idea. There are a number of people, who don't pay taxes.

Highly unlikely. Sales taxes aren't something you can just avoid.

In Abatael's arguments, taxes are something that happens to other people.

As, apparently, are facts.

[Alowwvia]

Abatael has made it quite clear time and time again that he believes the poor aren't human beings and deserve death and suffering for the sake of their elite masters.

*Faith in humanity bar plummets*

I have absolutely no idea what goes on in the minds of people like this. Seriously. It's just such an alien fucking mindset.

I mean, I thought people with this sort of mindset existed only as the people we're supposed to hate in history books. Holy fuck man.

[Gauthier]

Highly unlikely. Sales taxes aren't something you can just avoid.

In Abatael's arguments, taxes are something that happens to other people.

As, apparently, are facts.

And education only happens to people with money.

[Keron]

Bingo. I was right! Do I get a cookie?

It is not as if I was trying to hide this, so you did not really discover anything.

Indeed. Dividing society based on the vagina lottery. Awesome system.

[Grave_n_idle]

Abatael has made it quite clear time and time again that he believes the poor aren't human beings and deserve death and suffering for the sake of their elite masters.

*Faith in humanity bar plummets*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5q3z4IP_nNU

[Gauthier]

*Faith in humanity bar plummets*

I have absolutely no idea what goes on in the minds of people like this. Seriously. It's just such an alien fucking mindset.

I mean, I thought people with this sort of mindset existed only as the people we're supposed to hate in history books. Holy fuck man.

It's called Objectivism.

[Abatael]

Ideas are not the same as the application of the idea. There are a number of people, who don't pay taxes.

Highly unlikely. Sales taxes aren't something you can just avoid.

I believe in two states there are no such things as sales taxes.

Bingo. I was right! Do I get a cookie?

Abatael has made it quite clear time and time again that he believes the poor aren't human beings and deserve death and suffering for the sake of their elite masters.

Hilarious.

Ideas are not the same as the application of the idea. There are a number of people, who don't pay taxes.



The government is the monopoly of authority in this region, so they can do whatever they want. Governments are not necessarily infallible, but they can do whatever they want. This does not mean there can be no resistance to what they do though.



The elite take any position requiring education, and the uneducated take whatever jobs that the elite want done.

Luckily, the world just so happens to not be Mad Max, and organized governments, despite consolidation of power, DO have limits on the power they can exert over the people. Namely, governments should be restricted from intentionally treating people like shit to maintain power. No government that is unloved by its own people should exist.

I don't know what Mad Max is. They do counter-productively have self-placed limits on themselves, which is inane. Governments should govern, with its only regard to keeping its subjects in line, howsoever they wish to do that.

[Alowwvia]

I have absolutely no idea what goes on in the minds of people like this. Seriously. It's just such an alien fucking mindset.

I mean, I thought people with this sort of mindset existed only as the people we're supposed to hate in history books. Holy fuck man.

It's called Objectivism.

Possibly the most radical form of it to ever exist. I meant, sweet merciful fuck. How can you even rationalize the sheer assholery in your mind? It's just so... bathshit.

"I was born luckier than you, so eat shit."

I just don't fucking get it.

[Sarkhaan]

*Faith in humanity bar plummets*

I have absolutely no idea what goes on in the minds of people like this. Seriously. It's just such an alien fucking mindset.

I mean, I thought people with this sort of mindset existed only as the people we're supposed to hate in history books. Holy fuck man.

It's particularly impressive when it comes from people who are not members of the upper tiers of society. They could just find a nice dom master/mistress and be all set, and let the rest of us live productive lives.

[Minnerrva]

I say no. States might teach differently. We need uniform education standards.

[Alowwvia]

Highly unlikely. Sales taxes aren't something you can just avoid.

I believe in two states there are no such things as sales taxes.

Abatael has made it quite clear time and time again that he believes the poor aren't human beings and deserve death and suffering for the sake of their elite masters.

Hilarious.

Luckily, the world just so happens to not be Mad Max, and organized governments, despite consolidation of power, DO have limits on the power they can exert over the people. Namely, governments should be restricted from intentionally treating people like shit to maintain power. No government that is unloved by its own people should exist.

I don't know what Mad Max is. They do counter-productively have self-placed limits on themselves, which is inane. Governments should govern, with its only regard to keeping its subjects in line, howsoever they wish to do that.

In this case, I reserve the right to use my power to assassinate the fuck out of people who are being colossal, self-indulging dicks to instate a government that suits MY self-interests.

So there.

[Nua Corda]

*Faith in humanity bar plummets*

I have absolutely no idea what goes on in the minds of people like this. Seriously. It's just such an alien fucking mindset.

I mean, I thought people with this sort of mindset existed only as the people we're supposed to hate in history books. Holy fuck man.

Unfortunately, :AynRand:

It is not as if I was trying to hide this, so you did not really discover anything.

Indeed. Dividing society based on the vagina lottery. Awesome system.

Hey, it's more fun than the Powerball. Better chance of winning, too.

[Gauthier]

I have absolutely no idea what goes on in the minds of people like this. Seriously. It's just such an alien fucking mindset.

I mean, I thought people with this sort of mindset existed only as the people we're supposed to hate in history books. Holy fuck man.

It's particularly impressive when it comes from people who are not members of the upper tiers of society. They could just find a nice dom master/mistress and be all set, and let the rest of us live productive lives.

Those tend to be people who are under delusion that they're part of the ruling class or they're about to join it.

[Arlenton]

no

redneck states can't be trusted with educating children

no state can

[Abatael]

No, people do not deserve to be educated for free.

Now now, educated servants are competent servants. Unless you like hunting uneducated people for sport.

Of course, you would have educated people; simply not everyone.

The elite take any position requiring education, and the uneducated take whatever jobs that the elite want done.

Sounds like a good plan, actually. Now - since I'm a lot more educated than you, go make me a sandwich.

This is questionable.

I have absolutely no idea what goes on in the minds of people like this. Seriously. It's just such an alien fucking mindset.

I mean, I thought people with this sort of mindset existed only as the people we're supposed to hate in history books. Holy fuck man.

It's called Objectivism.

I'm not an Objectivist.

[Arlenton]

no

redneck states can't be trusted with educating children

no state can