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A Petition get America to have a Flat Tax.

Postby Towson » Wed Jan 30, 2013 6:25 pm

Mod edit: We are not a "Sign my petition, please" site, we are not a social networking site, we are not a place to encourage social change this way. Simply put, we are not Facebook.
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Postby North Stradia » Wed Jan 30, 2013 6:33 pm

Better solution: abolish state sponsored theft.
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Postby Lunatic Goofballs » Wed Jan 30, 2013 6:34 pm

I'm reminded of something Ron Paul said in the Republican Presidential Debate in regards to the fact that 47% of American Households pay no income taxes. He said, "That's great! Only 53% to go!" or something along those lines.

And I agree with him. Why don't we spend less time worrying about the fairness of taxes and realize that none of it is fair and try to reduce government spending.

But in the mean time, considering that the Fortune 500 companies received more from the government in subsidies and tax breaks than the poor did from all federal social programs combined, I don't really have much problem with the rich paying more taxes. They get more benefit.
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Jan 30, 2013 6:35 pm

Towson wrote:Hey Nationstates
after watching a episode of Screwattacks hard news where a petition on the white house's site to get all copies of devil may cry off store shelves.and got me thinking what can i do with this?so i decided to petition the U.S goverment to make a flat tax like a lot of eastern European nations do.so the link to the Petition is bellow



So why you may ask?
Because our system is broken by loop holes.Just look at Mitt Romney.
A flat tax without dedtcions will prevent all of this and increase renew.
so sign it by sign in to the site or joining it and sign.
please do it now for america's sake.

The President cannot enact any changes to the tax code. Only Congress can do that. Write to your elected representatives instead.
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Postby Towson » Wed Jan 30, 2013 6:35 pm

Lunatic Goofballs wrote:I'm reminded of something Ron Paul said in the Republican Presidential Debate in regards to the fact that 47% of American Households pay no income taxes. He said, "That's great! Only 53% to go!" or something along those lines.

And I agree with him. Why don't we spend less time worrying about the fairness of taxes and realize that none of it is fair and try to reduce government spending.

But in the mean time, considering that the Fortune 500 companies received more from the government in subsidies and tax breaks than the poor did from all federal social programs combined, I don't really have much problem with the rich paying more taxes. They get more benefit.

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Postby Ryan12 » Wed Jan 30, 2013 6:36 pm

Lunatic Goofballs wrote:I'm reminded of something Ron Paul said in the Republican Presidential Debate in regards to the fact that 47% of American Households pay no income taxes. He said, "That's great! Only 53% to go!" or something along those lines.

And I agree with him. Why don't we spend less time worrying about the fairness of taxes and realize that none of it is fair and try to reduce government spending.

But in the mean time, considering that the Fortune 500 companies received more from the government in subsidies and tax breaks than the poor did from all federal social programs combined, I don't really have much problem with the rich paying more taxes. They get more benefit.

can you post a source of that? i would like to use that against some people :)

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Postby New Sapienta » Wed Jan 30, 2013 6:37 pm

No.

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Postby greed and death » Wed Jan 30, 2013 6:37 pm

They keep raising the Threshold in the hopes it will stop silly petitions.

In reality the higher the threshold the more likely only silly petitions meet it.
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Postby Umbra Ac Silentium » Wed Jan 30, 2013 6:37 pm

D:< No I want a round tax.

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Postby Neo Arcad » Wed Jan 30, 2013 6:38 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Towson wrote:Hey Nationstates
after watching a episode of Screwattacks hard news where a petition on the white house's site to get all copies of devil may cry off store shelves.and got me thinking what can i do with this?so i decided to petition the U.S goverment to make a flat tax like a lot of eastern European nations do.so the link to the Petition is bellow



So why you may ask?
Because our system is broken by loop holes.Just look at Mitt Romney.
A flat tax without dedtcions will prevent all of this and increase renew.
so sign it by sign in to the site or joining it and sign.
please do it now for america's sake.

The President cannot enact any changes to the tax code. Only Congress can do that. Write to your elected representatives instead.


Haven't you heard? The President can just Executive Order anything he wants. It's like legislative room service. He doesn't have to get dressed up and go downstairs to the Congressional Restaurant. Welcome to the Dangerous Precedent Inn, owned and managed by Barack Obama.
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North Stradia wrote:Better solution: abolish state sponsored theft.

I love how you insist that tax is theft. It's cute.
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Umbra Ac Silentium wrote:D:< No I want a round tax.

Oblong.
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Postby Towson » Wed Jan 30, 2013 6:40 pm

North Stradia wrote:Better solution: abolish state sponsored theft.

i'm a pragmatic so go away.
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Postby Saintland » Wed Jan 30, 2013 6:40 pm

Why would you petition Obama to do something that he's against for ideological reasons? I agree that a flat tax is a good idea, but you're wasting your time trying to convince Obama.

What I'd propose is a flat tax at the current rate for the lowest bracket with no deductions and with the option of filing under the current tax code. That way would guarantee that nobody's taxes go up, which is the main objection to a flat tax.
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Postby Arkiasis » Wed Jan 30, 2013 6:40 pm

No, Progressive tax rates make sense, which is why every first world nation uses them. 20% of 20,000 is a lot for someone who is making 20k. But 20% isn't a lot for someone making 300k.
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Postby Umbra Ac Silentium » Wed Jan 30, 2013 6:40 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Umbra Ac Silentium wrote:D:< No I want a round tax.

Oblong.

Let's compromise with an acute tax rate?

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Postby North Stradia » Wed Jan 30, 2013 6:41 pm

Ruridova wrote:
North Stradia wrote:Better solution: abolish state sponsored theft.

I love how you insist that tax is theft. It's cute.

You agree that if a robber breaks in and demands your money, that is theft. Why is it ok just because that robber is called the IRS?
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North Stradia wrote:Better solution: abolish state sponsored theft.



How dare the government build schools, roads, and libraries! /s
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Jan 30, 2013 6:41 pm

Umbra Ac Silentium wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Oblong.

Let's compromise with an acute tax rate?

Well ... okay. North Stradia will claim that any tax rate is "acute" and not see the jest.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed Jan 30, 2013 6:42 pm

A flat tax is a foolish idea. Decreasing tax loopholes is one thing; eliminating brackets is an entirely different can of worms.
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Postby Crushilista » Wed Jan 30, 2013 6:43 pm

I agree with the flat tax. Have a straight 14% tax rate straight down the board.
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North Stradia wrote:
Ruridova wrote:I love how you insist that tax is theft. It's cute.

You agree that if a robber breaks in and demands your money, that is theft. Why is it ok just because that robber is called the IRS?

Hypothesis: North Stradia copypastes all of his posts from a list of libertarian talking points.

I don't see any other explanation for a whole vocabulary consisting of only "tax is theft" and "the IRS are robbers."
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Crushilista wrote:I agree with the flat tax. Have a straight 14% tax rate straight down the board.

Sure. If I make $30K a year, I'm left with about $26K to live on. If I make $90K, that leaves me $78K. Very fair.
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Postby Tubbsalot » Wed Jan 30, 2013 6:46 pm

Anyway, no. A flat tax is seriously damaging to the poor and inhibits economic activity.

Farnhamia wrote:
Crushilista wrote:I agree with the flat tax. Have a straight 14% tax rate straight down the board.

Sure. If I make $30K a year, I'm left with about $26K to live on. If I make $90K, that leaves me $78K. Very fair.

As I always say, there's nothing even slightly fair about that. The person making 90K would pay three times as much! Absurd. A flat fee is the only fair solution.
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Farnhamia wrote:
Crushilista wrote:I agree with the flat tax. Have a straight 14% tax rate straight down the board.

Sure. If I make $30K a year, I'm left with about $26K to live on. If I make $90K, that leaves me $78K. Very fair.


The tax rate for the people here is already at 10%. I don't see the harm. I don't believe people should be charged more for earning more.
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