Alrighty then, Is War a Necessary evil in your opinion?

[The Joseon Dynasty]

The "necessary" is a very strong qualifier. I can't think of any circumstances when war would be "necessary", without some sort of normative judgement or such a constrained set of options that war is the only possible recourse. I suspect the latter would only occur if war has been declared already, making the point rather moot.

So, I would agree that it's "evil", but not "necessary".

[Pope Joan]

I have resolved many difficult situations through arbitration and mediation. Frankly, we don't put enough effort into alternative dispute resolution.

War seems to be persistent, but since it is most often counterproductive I can't call it "necessary". Perhaps "persistent", like the flu, or acne.

[The Emerald Dawn]

I have resolved many difficult situations through arbitration and mediation. Frankly, we don't put enough effort into alternative dispute resolution.

War seems to be persistent, but since it is most often counterproductive I can't call it "necessary". Perhaps "persistent", like the flu, or acne.

You *can* grow out of acne.

War? War never changes.

[Scomagia]

I have resolved many difficult situations through arbitration and mediation. Frankly, we don't put enough effort into alternative dispute resolution.

War seems to be persistent, but since it is most often counterproductive I can't call it "necessary". Perhaps "persistent", like the flu, or acne.

You *can* grow out of acne.

War? War never changes.

We can grow out of war too, it just takes time and effort. Also people would probably have to turn their backs on organized religion. Not spirituality, which I am comfortable with, but religion.

[The Joseon Dynasty]

You *can* grow out of acne.

War? War never changes.

We can grow out of war too, it just takes time and effort. Also people would probably have to turn their backs on organized religion. Not spirituality, which I am comfortable with, but religion.

Why?

[Conserative Morality]

War is neither necessary nor evil. It is a tool that is sometimes useful, but usually imprecise and with far wider consequences than the accomplishment of any single goal or series of goals.

[Scomagia]

We can grow out of war too, it just takes time and effort. Also people would probably have to turn their backs on organized religion. Not spirituality, which I am comfortable with, but religion.

Why?

Why what? Sorry, my telepathy is malfunctioning today.

[The Joseon Dynasty]

Why?

Why what? Sorry, my telepathy is malfunctioning today.

To the main argument you made: Why would they have to turn their backs on organised religion?

[Trotskylvania]

It is not a necessary evil, as that would imply that it is an entirely unavoidable state of affairs. It is an evil made necessary by evil systems and evil rulers.

It is an unavoidable state of affairs, not created by evil intentions necessarily, but conflicts of interest.

For any war to start, someone has to take the affirmative choice to start hostilities.

[The Emerald Dawn]

It is an unavoidable state of affairs, not created by evil intentions necessarily, but conflicts of interest.

For any war to start, someone has to take the affirmative choice to start hostilities.

Honest, Mr. Moon. We were sitting there, minding our own business and suddenly one of our B2s just took off without any pilots and bombed the fuck out of their air defence network. We decided that since the B2 wanted to, we may as well respond to any counter-offencive they used.

[Scomagia]

Why what? Sorry, my telepathy is malfunctioning today.

To the main argument you made: Why would they have to turn their backs on organised religion?

Because organised religion is one of the most common causes of conflict, if not the most common cause.

[Unilisia]

I don't consider war to be evil, or necessary, so no, it isn't a necessary evil, for it is neither necessary nor evil.

But that is just my opinion.

[Scomagia]

For any war to start, someone has to take the affirmative choice to start hostilities.

Honest, Mr. Moon. We were sitting there, minding our own business and suddenly one of our B2s just took off without any pilots and bombed the fuck out of their air defence network. We decided that since the B2 wanted to, we may as well respond to any counter-offencive they used.

May I sig this?

[The Emerald Dawn]

Honest, Mr. Moon. We were sitting there, minding our own business and suddenly one of our B2s just took off without any pilots and bombed the fuck out of their air defence network. We decided that since the B2 wanted to, we may as well respond to any counter-offencive they used.

May I sig this?

Knock yourself unconscious. I claim no ownership of the random utterings I post here.

[Seriong]

Depending on the war, it might be both necessary and not evil.

Never think that war, no matter how necessary, nor how justified, is not a crime.

“Stood in firelight, sweltering. Bloodstain on chest like map of violent new continent. Felt cleansed. Felt dark planet turn under my feet and knew what cats know that makes them scream like babies in night.

Looked at sky through smoke heavy with human fat and God was not there. The cold, suffocating dark goes on forever and we are alone. Live our lives, lacking anything better to do. Devise reason later. Born from oblivion; bear children, hell-bound as ourselves, go into oblivion. There is nothing else.

Existence is random. Has no pattern save what we imagine after staring at it for too long. No meaning save what we choose to impose. This rudderless world is not shaped by vague metaphysical forces. It is not God who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It’s us. Only us. Streets stank of fire. The void breathed hard on my heart, turning its illusions to ice, shattering them. Was reborn then, free to scrawl own design on this morally blank world.

Was Rorschach.

Does that answer your Questions, Doctor?”

“The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.”

You cannot qualify war in harsher terms than I will. War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it; and those who brought war into our country deserve all the curses and maledictions a people can pour out. I know I had no hand in making this war, and I know I will make more sacrifices to-day than any of you to secure peace. But you cannot have peace and a division of our country. If the United States submits to a division now, it will not stop, but will go on until we reap the fate of Mexico, which is eternal war [...] I want peace, and believe it can only be reached through union and war, and I will ever conduct war with a view to perfect and early success. But, my dear sirs, when peace does come, you may call on me for anything. Then will I share with you the last cracker, and watch with you to shield your homes and families against danger from every quarter.

But, Rorschach was described as a "Perverted Nazi"...Not the best to quote.

[Scomagia]

May I sig this?

Knock yourself unconscious. I claim no ownership of the random utterings I post here.

Sweet.

[Seriong]

Why what? Sorry, my telepathy is malfunctioning today.

To the main argument you made: Why would they have to turn their backs on organised religion?

I'm going to guess what he is really referring to, is ideology, which causes fanaticism, which causes war. He, being Mr. Anti-Theist, associates fanaticism, and ideologies, as being inherently religious.

[Free Detroit]

"War is a violent teacher" - Thucydides

War is always destructive to the people who witness it, and rarely - if ever - is conducted in the interest of the common good. I am not a pacifist; I do think political violence is sometimes a viable tactic. I support terrorism, assassination, and capital punishment as tools of limited (but undeniable) utility in the political arsenal of the masses, but not war per se. However, war, generally speaking, is political violence carried out by, and directed at, the masses in order to benefit the political interests of the elite. War, as carried out between two nations at the command of their elites, is like a kid making bugs fight in a jar; regardless of the outcome, it's not in the interest of the bugs.

[Uryto]

It's how we express ourselves when we don't feel like communicating...sooo yeah sure why not.

[New Rogernomics]

War is an extension of the human capacity for violence against small groups and individuals, humans act with instinct more than rational judgment. War is not necessary, but some people enjoy and desire violence; and in some cases ideological radicals pose a threat to everyone else. So war is necessary only when negotiation and diplomacy fails.

[Free Detroit]

War is an extension of the human capacity for violence against small groups and individuals, humans act with instinct more than rational judgment. War is not necessary, but some people enjoy and desire violence; and in some cases ideological radicals pose a threat to everyone else. So war is necessary only when negotiation and diplomacy fails.

No, it is not an extension because it is functionally different. It is, perhaps, an abstraction of interpersonal violence into the realm of politics in the realm of language, but that is not the same thing at all. That is, we can certainly make abstract connections between, say, the conflict of two armies and the conflict of two boxers. However, the similarity is only metaphorical. In reality, hey are entirely different contests, carried out by different means toward different ends, governed by different rules (so to speak). It is like saying "the solar system is just like an atom, because some shit orbits other shit in the structure because of physics" - a classic, hermetic kind of "so above, so below" outlook... but still totally inaccurate.

[Aahmerica]

War is self sustaining. As long as man perceives imperfection either in himself or others WAR will always result-

off the back of a cereal box or some shit.

[Choronzon]

War is neither necessary nor evil. It is a tool that is sometimes useful, but usually imprecise and with far wider consequences than the accomplishment of any single goal or series of goals.

I agree 100%.

But you know, we're just ITGs.

[New Rogernomics]

War is an extension of the human capacity for violence against small groups and individuals, humans act with instinct more than rational judgment. War is not necessary, but some people enjoy and desire violence; and in some cases ideological radicals pose a threat to everyone else. So war is necessary only when negotiation and diplomacy fails.

No, it is not an extension because it is functionally different. It is, perhaps, an abstraction of interpersonal violence into the realm of politics, but that is not the same thing at all. That is, we can certainly make abstract connections between, say, the conflict of two armies and the conflict of two boxers. However, the similarity is only metaphorical. In reality, hey are entirely different contests, carried out by different means toward different ends, governed by different rules (so to speak). It is like saying "the solar system is just like an atom, because some shit orbits other shit in the structure because of physics" - a classic, hermetic kind of "so above, so below" outlook... but still totally inaccurate.

I would disagree, humans are not purely 'invividual units', rather ones defined through family, ideology and human instincts. Wars began because of competition for resources, and even mating partners; well before political rhetoric you attribute to war existed.

[New Rogernomics]

War is self sustaining. As long as man perceives imperfection either in himself or others WAR will always result-

off the back of a cereal box or some shit.

Pretty much.