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The elections in Israel have got me thinking about this.

As (I hope) you know, there has been a long-running conflict between Israel and Palestine. The conflict is immensely complex, and there are many legitimate arguments to support both sides. Countless proposals have been brought up on how to solve the conflict. For example, some call for a "two-state solution", in which Gaza and the West Bank become independent from Israel, and Israel itself continues to exist. Others support a "one-state solution", in which Israel, Gaza, and the West Bank are united into one state, which would be Arab, Jewish, or secular, depending on who you ask.

Here's my opinion.

End all Jewish settlements in the West Bank.
Remove Hamas from power.
Secularize Israel. End all discrimination against Arabs.
Allow the residents of Gaza and the West Bank to determine their own future, in free, democratic, internationally observed referenda.

I'd like to see Israel, Gaza and the West Bank united into one secular state where Arabs and Jews are treated equally. However, if Gaza and the West Bank prefer independence, or some other situation, they should get that.

What do you think?

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No Palestinian State, in one form or another.
No concessions of any kind.

And secularize Israel? Over my dead body. There are plenty of secular states out there, why don't the securalists just pack their stuff and leave if they dislike Judaism and Jewish culture so much?

Turn it into new atlantis.

Act like that lake was always in that spot.

Reclaim the holy land from the infidel saracen, desu vult etc.

Volnotova wrote:No Palestinian State, in one form or another.
No concessions of any kind.

And secularize Israel? Over my dead body. There are plenty of secular states out there, why don't the securalists just pack their stuff and leave if they dislike Judaism and Jewish culture so much?

no concessions of any kind, sounds reasonable. you will lead us to peace.

Nuke it from orbit, its the only way to be sure. There won't be a territorial dispute if its a crater filled with radioactive waste.

Volnotova wrote:No Palestinian State, in one form or another.
No concessions of any kind.

And secularize Israel? Over my dead body. There are plenty of secular states out there, why don't the securalists just pack their stuff and leave if they dislike Judaism and Jewish culture so much?

(Palestinians) It is their ancient homeland as well, they want part of that land to be theirs entirely, you know the areas where their people live. They are entitled to have their home, as are the Israelis.
(Secularists) They are entitled to speak their opinions and state positions, as does anyone in the so called only functional democracy of the Middle east. So no they should not leave for another country if they want their home to be secular. They will state that they want it to be so.

Volnotova wrote:No Palestinian State, in one form or another.
No concessions of any kind.

And secularize Israel? Over my dead body. There are plenty of secular states out there, why don't the securalists just pack their stuff and leave if they dislike Judaism and Jewish culture so much?

KILL ALL DA INFIDELZ AMIRITE

My opinion:

West Bank and Gaza will go to Palestine, Israel gets to keep everything else they occupy and cannot declare war unless their allies do so first and the conflict is not in the Middle East, or they are attacked.

Souseiseki wrote:

Volnotova wrote:No Palestinian State, in one form or another.
No concessions of any kind.

And secularize Israel? Over my dead body. There are plenty of secular states out there, why don't the securalists just pack their stuff and leave if they dislike Judaism and Jewish culture so much?

no concessions of any kind, sounds reasonable. you will lead us to peace.

If there is no Palestine then there is no need for a peace agreement, now is there?

I'm sure your plan for peace will extend far beyond the confines of this internet sub-forum.

Volnotova wrote:

Souseiseki wrote:no concessions of any kind, sounds reasonable. you will lead us to peace.

If there is no Palestine then there is no need for a peace agreement, now is there?

If there is no Palestine alot of Arabs will suffer.

Volnotova wrote:

Souseiseki wrote:no concessions of any kind, sounds reasonable. you will lead us to peace.

If there is no Palestine then there is no need for a peace agreement, now is there?

So kill all the Palestinians and salt the earth with their remains?

Volnotova wrote:

Souseiseki wrote:no concessions of any kind, sounds reasonable. you will lead us to peace.

If there is no Palestine then there is no need for a peace agreement, now is there?

Yes because there will still be Palestinians.

Volnotova wrote:

Souseiseki wrote:no concessions of any kind, sounds reasonable. you will lead us to peace.

If there is no Palestine then there is no need for a peace agreement, now is there?

Well, there is Palestine.

Volnotova wrote:

Souseiseki wrote:no concessions of any kind, sounds reasonable. you will lead us to peace.

If there is no Palestine then there is no need for a peace agreement, now is there?

i dunno man, i don't think people will be happy with your "fuck you palestine" plan

I'm sure your plan for peace will extend far beyond the confines of this Internet sub-forum.

sup israel buddy, do you have a problem with the ops suggestions or do you just want to shit talk about hurrrrr internet forum?

The Huskar Social Union wrote:

Volnotova wrote:
If there is no Palestine then there is no need for a peace agreement, now is there?

So kill all the Palestinians and salt the earth with their remains?

...yes?

Souseiseki wrote:

Volnotova wrote:
If there is no Palestine then there is no need for a peace agreement, now is there?

i dunno man, i don't think people will be happy with your "fuck you palestine" plan

I'm sure your plan for peace will extend far beyond the confines of this Internet sub-forum.

sup israel buddy, do you have a problem with the ops suggestions or do you just want to shit talk about hurrrrr internet forum?

Sulamalik supports Palestine I think.

Souseiseki wrote:

Volnotova wrote:
If there is no Palestine then there is no need for a peace agreement, now is there?

i dunno man, i don't think people will be happy with your "fuck you palestine" plan

I'm sure your plan for peace will extend far beyond the confines of this Internet sub-forum.

sup israel buddy, do you have a problem with the ops suggestions or do you just want to shit talk about hurrrrr internet forum?

I find the proposal to remove Hamas from power to be a bit on the vague side.

Am I cool yet?

Sulamalik wrote:

Souseiseki wrote:
i dunno man, i don't think people will be happy with your "fuck you palestine" plan



sup israel buddy, do you have a problem with the ops suggestions or do you just want to shit talk about hurrrrr internet forum?

I find the proposal to remove Hamas from power to be a bit on the vague side.

Am I cool yet?

Peacefully.

North Stradia wrote:The elections in Israel have got me thinking about this.

As (I hope) you know, there has been a long-running conflict between Israel and Palestine. The conflict is immensely complex, and there are many legitimate arguments to support both sides. Countless proposals have been brought up on how to solve the conflict. For example, some call for a "two-state solution", in which Gaza and the West Bank become independent from Israel, and Israel itself continues to exist. Others support a "one-state solution", in which Israel, Gaza, and the West Bank are united into one state, which would be Arab, Jewish, or secular, depending on who you ask.

Here's my opinion.

End all Jewish settlements in the West Bank.
Remove Hamas from power.
Secularize Israel. End all discrimination against Arabs.
Allow the residents of Gaza and the West Bank to determine their own future, in free, democratic, internationally observed referenda.

I'd like to see Israel, Gaza and the West Bank united into one secular state where Arabs and Jews are treated equally. However, if Gaza and the West Bank prefer independence, or some other situation, they should get that.

What do you think?

The baby is your proposal. The hurdle is what he has to lift. And yes, those thingies on the end - they're real.



In other words, your proposal has:



I think you need to brush up on the region's history, and then make a proposal. Cause your proposal is equivalent of someone saying, "well golly geez, just tell generals to always enforce human rights, and everything will be just fine and dandy!"

Do I like your proposal? Seems ok. The problem is, it's practically impossible to implement.

Here's my opinion.

End all Jewish settlements in the West Bank.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Remove Hamas from power.

Hamas has an 83% disapproval rating in Gaza. But Hamas has banned elections.

Secularize Israel.

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

End all discrimination against Arabs.

You can't end something that never existed in the first place.

Allow the residents of Gaza and the West Bank to determine their own future, in free, democratic, internationally observed referenda.

Hamas has BANNED elections. The only place in the middle east where Palestinians can vote is Israel.

I'd like to see Israel, Gaza and the West Bank united into one secular state where Arabs and Jews are treated equally.

The official Palestinian constitution states that any Jew found in Palestine would be put to death. And Israel would not exist.

However, if Gaza and the West Bank prefer independence, or some other situation, they should get that.

They were offered that. There response was KILL THE JEWS. [/quote]

North Stradia wrote:

Sulamalik wrote:
I find the proposal to remove Hamas from power to be a bit on the vague side.

Am I cool yet?

Peacefully.

Noble means, I agree. But how, specifically?

The Huskar Social Union wrote:(Palestinians) It is their ancient homeland as well, they want part of that land to be theirs entirely, you know the areas where their people live. They are entitled to have their home, as are the Israelis.

They can live in Israel or pack their stuff and move to Jordan(/other countries).

(Secularists) They are entitled to speak their opinions and state positions,

I am no saying they are not entitled to that.

...as does anyone in the so called only functional democracy of the Middle east. So no they should not leave for another country if they want their home to be secular. They will state that they want it to be so.

Sorry, but I do not respect view points supporting the (total) dismantling of the inherent Jewish nature of the State of Israel.

The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace wrote:

The Huskar Social Union wrote:So kill all the Palestinians and salt the earth with their remains?

...yes?

How about no fucking mass genocide of an entire ethnic group thank you very much. Palestine Exists. Palestinians Exist. They will continue to Exist. So deal with that fact.

Or. If you do want them dead, go get a gun and start killing, or get the IDF to do so, either way lets see how long you peace plan lasts in practice.