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Postby The Godly Nations » Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:18 am

How can evil exist if there is an absolutely Good, absolutely powerful, and allknowing God?

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Good is simply the privation of Evil. As Evil is omnipresent, and God is omnipresent, as these things must, by its all inclusiveness, include each other, God must not, as some wicked men claim, be omnibenevolent, but omnimalevolent. Therefore, having formulated the above, it would appear that Good does not exist. Instead, as God is Omnimalevolent, he includes all degrees of evil, from mildly evil to absolutely evil, ergo, the world is evil because God is absolutely evil. As such, the question is better phrased as 'Why is there Good if there is God?', and the answer is that there isn't, there is only varying degrees of evil, all from God.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:18 am

What do you think?
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Postby Yewhohohopia » Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:19 am

That is a mind-blowing question.
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Postby Norstal » Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:19 am

The Godly Nations wrote:How can evil exist if there is an absolutely Good, absolutely powerful, and allknowing God?

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Postby Samuraikoku » Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:20 am

Because obviously there isn't.

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Postby The Godly Nations » Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:22 am

Ifreann wrote:What do you think?


Good is simply the privation of Evil. As Evil is omnipresent, and God is omnipresent, as these things must, by its all inclusiveness, include each other, God must not, as some wicked men claim, be omnibenevolent, but omnimalevolent. Therefore, having formulated the above, it would appear that Good does not exist. Instead, as God is Omnimalevolent, he includes all degrees of evil, from mildly evil to absolutely evil, ergo, the world is evil because God is absolutely evil. As such, the question is better phrased as 'Why is there Good if there is God?', and the answer is that there isn't, there is only varying degrees of evil, all from God.
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Postby Typhlochactas » Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:22 am

The answer to this question is pretty easy.

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Postby S-Mart » Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:23 am

Hasn't the "question of evil" thread been done to death?

I don't believe in an omniscient God myself, but, Answer: "Good" cannot be defined in these terms. I know what it means to know something, I know what it means to have power to do something. I am not sure I can come to an agreement with anybody on an absolute definition of good, and if somebody was demonstrably all-knowing I would have to assume that they know what good is and that my definition of it is flawed in comparison to theirs.

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Postby Free Soviets » Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:23 am

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Postby The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace » Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:23 am

The Godly Nations wrote:How can evil exist if there is an absolutely Good, absolutely powerful, and allknowing God?

You do know that Satan was an angel?

I'm gonna suspend most of my beliefs for a second so I can actually discuss.

God allows it.

To what end, no one knows.
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Postby Indira » Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:25 am

Ignoring the obvious answer, that God does not exist, I'd say it's a case of helping us appreciate good. (More likely he doesn't exist, but details, details)

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Postby L Ron Cupboard » Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:26 am

It's the sequel to Theiliad isn't it?
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Postby Arcturus Novus » Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:26 am

The Godly Nations wrote:How can evil exist if there is an absolutely Good, absolutely powerful, and allknowing God?

Sin. 'Nuff said.
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:27 am

The Godly Nations wrote:
Ifreann wrote:What do you think?


Good is simply the privation of Evil. As Evil is omnipresent, and God is omnipresent, as these things must, by its all inclusiveness, include each other, God must not, as some wicked men claim, be omnibenevolent, but omnimalevolent. Therefore, having formulated the above, it would appear that Good does not exist. Instead, as God is Omnimalevolent, he includes all degrees of evil, from mildly evil to absolutely evil, ergo, the world is evil because God is absolutely evil. As such, the question is better phrased as 'Why is there Good if there is God?', and the answer is that there isn't, there is only varying degrees of evil, all from God.


So everything is evil to a greater or lesser degree?

How astoundingly negative.
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Postby Lancaster of Wessex » Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:28 am

And here we go againnnn....

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Postby The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace » Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:30 am

Lancaster of Wessex wrote:And here we go againnnn....

Prediction: over 1500 posts, and God only knows (pardon the pun) pages.

I guess

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Postby Arcturus Novus » Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:30 am

The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace wrote:
The Godly Nations wrote:How can evil exist if there is an absolutely Good, absolutely powerful, and allknowing God?

You do know that Satan was an angel?

I'm gonna suspend most of my beliefs for a second so I can actually discuss.

God allows it.

To what end, no one knows.

Actually, I'm going with this guy.
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Postby Yewhohohopia » Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:31 am

The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace wrote:
The Godly Nations wrote:How can evil exist if there is an absolutely Good, absolutely powerful, and allknowing God?

You do know that Satan was an angel?

Or possibly "is a fictional character".
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Postby Samuraikoku » Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:32 am

The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace wrote:
The Godly Nations wrote:How can evil exist if there is an absolutely Good, absolutely powerful, and allknowing God?

You do know that Satan was an angel?

I'm gonna suspend most of my beliefs for a second so I can actually discuss.

God allows it.

To what end, no one knows.


The Emperor didn't allow Horus. Even sacrificed his own life to kill him. Take that, G-D!
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Postby Typhlochactas » Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:32 am

The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace wrote:
The Godly Nations wrote:How can evil exist if there is an absolutely Good, absolutely powerful, and allknowing God?

You do know that Satan was an angel?

I'm gonna suspend most of my beliefs for a second so I can actually discuss.

God allows it.

To what end, no one knows.


How do you know?

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Postby The Godly Nations » Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:34 am

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
The Godly Nations wrote:
Good is simply the privation of Evil. As Evil is omnipresent, and God is omnipresent, as these things must, by its all inclusiveness, include each other, God must not, as some wicked men claim, be omnibenevolent, but omnimalevolent. Therefore, having formulated the above, it would appear that Good does not exist. Instead, as God is Omnimalevolent, he includes all degrees of evil, from mildly evil to absolutely evil, ergo, the world is evil because God is absolutely evil. As such, the question is better phrased as 'Why is there Good if there is God?', and the answer is that there isn't, there is only varying degrees of evil, all from God.


So everything is evil to a greater or lesser degree?

How astoundingly negative.


I don't think so. Evil seems to be the natural state of man, and the natural state of the world, and we defind something its opposite if it diverge, even mildly, from this natural state- for example, we are well, in good health that is, when we depart, in a greater or less degree, from the norm, the natural state of being ill, infirmed, and sick, or if we are rich, we depart, from a greater or lesser degree, from our natural state of poverty. Therefore, we are good so far as we depart, to greater or less, Evil, but this 'Good' is not the total absence of evil, but a degree of it, and absolute good, that is totally free from evil, is impossible because everything is evil.
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Postby The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace » Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:34 am

Typhlochactas wrote:
The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace wrote:You do know that Satan was an angel?

I'm gonna suspend most of my beliefs for a second so I can actually discuss.

God allows it.

To what end, no one knows.


How do you know?

How do I know what?
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Postby Luziyca » Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:34 am

Evil first came to exist when we rinsed our mouths with industrial waste after using the latest toothpaste. :p
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Postby Typhlochactas » Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:37 am

The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace wrote:
Typhlochactas wrote:
How do you know?

How do I know what?


How do you know god allows evil?

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Postby The Godly Nations » Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:39 am

Typhlochactas wrote:
The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace wrote:How do I know what?


How do you know god allows evil?


God does not allow evil, God is Evil, as explained above.

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