Why is homosexuality wrong?

[CVT Temp]

This is a thread for those who feel that homosexuality is immoral. Without resort to the incoherent and circular divine command theory, I wish for you to explain why homosexuality and/or homosexual sex are immoral. I'm curious to see what answers I will receive, but please, I do want to hear from people who think that it's immoral. I don't just want a circle jerk.

[Ifreann]

If they're not allowed say "God sez" I imagine some naturalistic fallacy or appeal to the general ickiness of two dudes fucking will be about it.

[Khadgar]

Because buttsex makes baby Jesus cry.

[Ifreann]

Because buttsex makes baby Jesus cry.

Only if you go in dry.

[Pope Joan]

If they're not allowed say "God sez" I imagine some naturalistic fallacy or appeal to the general ickiness of two dudes fucking will be about it.

That does jibe with my observation; it seems many more people are opposed to male homosexuality than to lesbians. Ellen Degeneres is quite well accepted, I think she's delightful. Martina Navratilova is still beloved by millions of fans.

But on the make side there's that ewww factor when we fail to block out images of what that kind of lovemaking would be like, physically.

Not fair! But there you are. So, it's not really a moral stand at all, just aesthetic.

[Divair]

It's not. Thread over. Everyone go home.

[Madda]

If you're referring to the Bible, I think that God disapproves of homosexuality because gay people can't reproduce.

[CVT Temp]

That does jibe with my observation; it seems many more people are opposed to male homosexuality than to lesbians. Ellen Degeneres is quite well accepted, I think she's delightful. Martina Navratilova is still beloved by millions of fans.

But on the make side there's that ewww factor when we fail to block out images of what that kind of lovemaking would be like, physically.

Not fair! But there you are. So, it's not really a moral stand at all, just aesthetic.

Yeah, I have noticed the "Fags are gross, but lesbians are okay as long as they're hot." attitude before. It's sadly very common, especially among frat-boys and the gamer community.

[Alaje]

It's not. Thread over. Everyone go home.

^This.

[Ostroeuropa]

Arguing for the devil here as it were, I can make a coherent and secular argument against homosexuality.
(I don't agree with it, but it is what it is.)

You just have to argue that ALL sex is objectification, and then that objectification is wrong.

The sex = rape line of logic.
It's almost good if you squint and ignore, you know, the fact people consent.

[CVT Temp]

If you're referring to the Bible, I think that God disapproves of homosexuality because gay people can't reproduce.

So god disapproves of people who don't reproduce? Or god disapproves of non-reproductive sex? Which one?

Either way, this is still a bit of an appeal to divine command theory, which isn't supposed to qualify in this thread.

[The USOT]

If you're referring to the Bible, I think that God disapproves of homosexuality because gay people can't reproduce.

Im probably wrong, but I seem to recall it comes down to the biblical idea of marriage being a union between a man and a woman under god. So if any gay individuals have sex, they would be having "pre marital sex" which is supposed to be a sin.

Regardless, no homosexuality isnt wrong by any sane sense.

[Khadgar]

If you're referring to the Bible, I think that God disapproves of homosexuality because gay people can't reproduce.

So god disapproves of people who don't reproduce? Or god disapproves of non-reproductive sex? Which one?

Either way, this is still a bit of an appeal to divine command theory, which isn't supposed to qualify in this thread.

According to Catholics it's non-reproductive sex. Remember Onan pulled out to prevent conception, got smited.

[CVT Temp]

Arguing for the devil here as it were, I can make a coherent and secular argument against homosexuality.
(I don't agree with it, but it is what it is.)

You just have to argue that ALL sex is objectification, and then that objectification is wrong.

The sex = rape line of logic.
It's almost good if you squint and ignore, you know, the fact people consent.

That sounds like an even more extreme version of Andrea Dworken. Who thinks that?

[Salandriagado]

If you're referring to the Bible, I think that God disapproves of homosexuality because gay people can't reproduce.

You really need to read the fucking bible.

[Acrainia]

I suppose that its because only men and women can reproduce, making homosexual relations totally gratuitous.

However the same argument can be made against any form of birth control or even any sex without the explicit intent to reproduce.

So basically if your not a puritan who has no sex save for reproduction, you are hypocrite to call homosexuality wrong.

The bible calls it an abomination but honestly 90% of modern society would be considered an abomination if you take the bible that literally.

[CVT Temp]

According to Catholics it's non-reproductive sex. Remember Onan pulled out to prevent conception, got smited.

Okay, so why is non-reproductive sex wrong?

Honestly, I struggle with this myself, as I still feel disfunctional and defective for not being straight.

[Meryuma]

Don't give them a platform.

[Ostroeuropa]

Arguing for the devil here as it were, I can make a coherent and secular argument against homosexuality.
(I don't agree with it, but it is what it is.)

You just have to argue that ALL sex is objectification, and then that objectification is wrong.

The sex = rape line of logic.
It's almost good if you squint and ignore, you know, the fact people consent.

That sounds like an even more extreme version of Andrea Dworken. Who thinks that?

Well, at least one person on this forum. Something triangles or whatever.

[Salandriagado]

That sounds like an even more extreme version of Andrea Dworken. Who thinks that?

Well, at least one person on this forum. Something triangles or whatever.

Four Sided Triangles, but he isn't around any more.

[Khadgar]

According to Catholics it's non-reproductive sex. Remember Onan pulled out to prevent conception, got smited.

Okay, so why is non-reproductive sex wrong?

Honestly, I struggle with this myself, as I still feel disfunctional and defective for not being straight.

Hell if I know.

[CVT Temp]

Four Sided Triangles, but he isn't around any more.

What was his issue?

[Annaberg-Buchholz (Ancient)]

Well, its obviously inferior to Paedophilia.

[Ifreann]

Arguing for the devil here as it were, I can make a coherent and secular argument against homosexuality.
(I don't agree with it, but it is what it is.)

You just have to argue that ALL sex is objectification, and then that objectification is wrong.

The sex = rape line of logic.
It's almost good if you squint and ignore, you know, the fact people consent.

Gods, don't say things like that, you'll summon Raeyh.

[Tarrum]

Personally, I don't believe it's wrong. Now let's talk about why you could consider it to be. If you're religious, the bible says it's wrong. End of story. Thus, you have full right to agree with it. However, if your not religious, generally it is due to your upbringing. Now for what'll get me yelled at: I don't think it's wrong to ban it no matter who's right. Fact is, the basis for laws against homosexuality are because "the bible says it's immoral." If you don't live in a country run by religion then you shouldn't have to follow any church's laws that you don't agree with. If you think it's wrong, then just don't be with another person of your gender.